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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-22 18:28:02
July 22 2018 18:27 GMT
#6601


Ozil has retired from the German national team after an explosive 3 "letters" posted on his social media account today blasting the German FA.
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LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4572 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-22 18:34:59
July 22 2018 18:34 GMT
#6602
Now Ozil needs to perform. I prefer if he can help lead Germany to a great result at Euros 2020 but it is his choice.

At least back to his 2010 standard and then surpassing the 2014 WC win.
Mute user function on TL; http://www.liquiddota.com/blogs/491245-mute-annoying-users-in-lr-threads
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
July 22 2018 18:46 GMT
#6603
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
July 22 2018 19:58 GMT
#6604
On July 23 2018 03:46 sharkie wrote:
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.

How exactly would the way he plays for Arsenal back up anything he said? If he doesn't score in the first three games he obviously lied?

Sad that he's gone, sad that he is still too dense to realize what was going on - seems like a situation where nobody learnt anything and everyone lost.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 22 2018 20:04 GMT
#6605
If only had done something like that before the world cup. He shouldnt have taken the picture with Erdogan, yes, but I can understand him given his difficult situation due to his family. However, how he dealt with it afterwards was not ideal. But treatment he has been getting from DFB has been shameful, embarassing, and as he correctly points out, with double standards. Grindel (DFB president) should retire and in fact, the more I read about him, should never have been elected into this position in the first place.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
July 22 2018 20:10 GMT
#6606
On July 23 2018 04:58 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 03:46 sharkie wrote:
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.

How exactly would the way he plays for Arsenal back up anything he said? If he doesn't score in the first three games he obviously lied?

Sad that he's gone, sad that he is still too dense to realize what was going on - seems like a situation where nobody learnt anything and everyone lost.


well I read that he blamed his performance in the world cup because of all the dfb drama
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-22 20:21:37
July 22 2018 20:21 GMT
#6607
On July 23 2018 05:10 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 04:58 clusen wrote:
On July 23 2018 03:46 sharkie wrote:
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.

How exactly would the way he plays for Arsenal back up anything he said? If he doesn't score in the first three games he obviously lied?

Sad that he's gone, sad that he is still too dense to realize what was going on - seems like a situation where nobody learnt anything and everyone lost.


well I read that he blamed his performance in the world cup because of all the dfb drama

To me thats not what his letters are saying. He barely mentions the world cup itself, only what happened before and afterwards.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
July 22 2018 20:32 GMT
#6608
Thats some big news especially after all the problems with people not considering the players with african parents not french.

Not a fan of the turkish president but thats some shameful betrayal of the player with how they handled it from what he says.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
July 22 2018 20:38 GMT
#6609
On July 23 2018 05:21 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 05:10 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2018 04:58 clusen wrote:
On July 23 2018 03:46 sharkie wrote:
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.

How exactly would the way he plays for Arsenal back up anything he said? If he doesn't score in the first three games he obviously lied?

Sad that he's gone, sad that he is still too dense to realize what was going on - seems like a situation where nobody learnt anything and everyone lost.


well I read that he blamed his performance in the world cup because of all the dfb drama

To me thats not what his letters are saying. He barely mentions the world cup itself, only what happened before and afterwards.


well duh because he knows that there is no one to blame but himself for his WC performance. But yeah thats exactly his intention with these letters, avoid talk about his performance in the WC.

That's what the whole German football has been doing since their fail. Avoid talking about it but rather talk about everything else
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 22 2018 20:41 GMT
#6610
On July 23 2018 05:38 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 05:21 Mafe wrote:
On July 23 2018 05:10 sharkie wrote:
On July 23 2018 04:58 clusen wrote:
On July 23 2018 03:46 sharkie wrote:
Yeah, now ozil needs to back up his words with actions in the Arsenal shirt.

How exactly would the way he plays for Arsenal back up anything he said? If he doesn't score in the first three games he obviously lied?

Sad that he's gone, sad that he is still too dense to realize what was going on - seems like a situation where nobody learnt anything and everyone lost.


well I read that he blamed his performance in the world cup because of all the dfb drama

To me thats not what his letters are saying. He barely mentions the world cup itself, only what happened before and afterwards.


well duh because he knows that there is no one to blame but himself for his WC performance. But yeah thats exactly his intention with these letters, avoid talk about his performance in the WC.

That's what the whole German football has been doing since their fail. Avoid talking about it but rather talk about everything else

How you know his intention so well?

Grindel (and Bierhoff lately) demanded a statement of Özil over Erdogate. He now gave it.

But somehow you know better.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4391 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-22 22:17:41
July 22 2018 22:17 GMT
#6611
On July 22 2018 01:12 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2018 00:53 DucK- wrote:
On July 21 2018 23:03 GTR wrote:
you know the transfer market is fucked when richarlison gets a 50m gbp bid.
then again, it is everton who grossly overspent last season.


Not worth rofl. That guy's overrated after one decent season. Good enough for mid tier clubs, but won't light up the stage like how mahrez did.

Not even that, he lost his starting spot after like February... If that actually goes through i can only call it karma for them distrupting Watford's form with their poaching.


Which was when the new Everton manager left Watford. The manager likes him, he likes the manager (at the time when he was fired, his social media clearly showed that) so odds of him having more playing time in Everton are good.

Regarding transfer fees and the other discussion in the previous page, IIRC agents are not only paid 10% of the transfer fee but 10% of something else….I cant recall for sure but it has something to do with wages. For Warding that is also from Portugal, remember the Rafa transfer and the amounts being discussed?
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-23 01:07:09
July 23 2018 00:45 GMT
#6612
What's wrong with taking a photo with erdogan? The whole thing got politicized. Just cuz the west view erdogan as the bad guy, doesn't mean everyone has to view it that way. Everyone shits on duerte, I personally disagree with him too, but I know many pinoy friends that are grateful and supportive for what he has done. The west laughs at Singapore's one party rule since independence, citing lack of democracy/freedom of expression/rights, but majority of us are glad we have this system over what the west have.

Point is who are they to impose views on ozil. It's just a picture and not a text/speech to endorse. He's the leader of his family's roots. He did not travel to turkey to worship him. Even the queen hosted erdogan, so what's wrong with a resident in UK meeting him as well in UK.

Is ozil only allowed to post these letters if he helped Germany win the world cup? I think he played like shit but it doesn't change that he has been unfairly treated like shit as well. Just cuz he's an immigrant of Turkish roots means he must avoid all things Turkish?
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 23 2018 01:26 GMT
#6613
Karius lol. Early minutes rush out of the box only to kick straight to a Dortmund player.

3rd goal he parried the ball to the Dortmund player.

Said it before, karius never once looked good. All his 'spectacular' saves were actually just easy saves made to look difficult. I don't believe in concussion. I think he is just bad to begin with.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 23 2018 01:53 GMT
#6614
As I mentioned during the World Cup, Germany is looking forward to an embarrassing next couple tournaments.

Keeping Low, allowing this clown Grindel to keep his position, forcing out a Turkish-ancestry player. This team is going to learn absolutely nothing from their colossal failures at the WC and they are going to discourage all of the immigrant-ancestry talent from wanting to associate with the German national team.

I actually really don't like Ozil and think that in a lot of ways he is acting like a child with how this is all happening. However, you can't really argue against his points; the DFB treated him like shit and he's dealt with a lot of racist crap that people are willing to let pile on top of the footballing criticism leveled towards him.

Germany is going to put out some pathetic performances over the next couple years and the DFB will have no one to blame but themselves.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
July 23 2018 05:42 GMT
#6615
On July 23 2018 10:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
As I mentioned during the World Cup, Germany is looking forward to an embarrassing next couple tournaments.

Keeping Low, allowing this clown Grindel to keep his position, forcing out a Turkish-ancestry player. This team is going to learn absolutely nothing from their colossal failures at the WC and they are going to discourage all of the immigrant-ancestry talent from wanting to associate with the German national team.

I actually really don't like Ozil and think that in a lot of ways he is acting like a child with how this is all happening. However, you can't really argue against his points; the DFB treated him like shit and he's dealt with a lot of racist crap that people are willing to let pile on top of the footballing criticism leveled towards him.

Germany is going to put out some pathetic performances over the next couple years and the DFB will have no one to blame but themselves.


and if Germany perform well in the next Euro you will praise it on the players alone I assume?
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-23 09:44:00
July 23 2018 09:42 GMT
#6616
On July 23 2018 09:45 DucK- wrote:
What's wrong with taking a photo with erdogan? The whole thing got politicized

That was exactly the intention behind the photo by Erdogan and that dumbfuck Özil either let Erdogan take advantage of him(unlikely) or didn't care.

That is why people are mad at him and why he (and Gündogan) should've been kicked out of the team before the tournament in not only my opinion.

If you want I can explain a bit about the background. This just isn't the same as taking a pic with Macron or whoever.

€
@Stratos
You can argue with all of his points besides his dig at Grindel. He even contradicts himself at certain points...
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 23 2018 11:11 GMT
#6617
On July 23 2018 18:42 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 09:45 DucK- wrote:
What's wrong with taking a photo with erdogan? The whole thing got politicized

That was exactly the intention behind the photo by Erdogan and that dumbfuck Özil either let Erdogan take advantage of him(unlikely) or didn't care.

That is why people are mad at him and why he (and Gündogan) should've been kicked out of the team before the tournament in not only my opinion.

If you want I can explain a bit about the background. This just isn't the same as taking a pic with Macron or whoever.

€
@Stratos
You can argue with all of his points besides his dig at Grindel. He even contradicts himself at certain points...


Well obviously taking photos with politicians would carry a risk that it gets politicised, especially when you're a prominent figure. I think people are unhappy because they're equating the photo as ozil's clear public endorsement of the regime. So what if deep inside he likes erdogan, who could be a dictator/murderer or whatever. That's his choice to make. If the UK is OK to welcome such a person, what's wrong with ozil doing so.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
July 23 2018 11:28 GMT
#6618
Pickford to Chelsea is almost a done deal

Hopefully Courtois leaves and he is the 1st GK, i think England FINALLY has a keeper worth the place
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
July 23 2018 11:43 GMT
#6619
Pretty sure same had been said of Joe Hart when he first came into the scene.
InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-23 11:46:45
July 23 2018 11:46 GMT
#6620
On July 23 2018 20:11 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2018 18:42 clusen wrote:
On July 23 2018 09:45 DucK- wrote:
What's wrong with taking a photo with erdogan? The whole thing got politicized

That was exactly the intention behind the photo by Erdogan and that dumbfuck Özil either let Erdogan take advantage of him(unlikely) or didn't care.

That is why people are mad at him and why he (and Gündogan) should've been kicked out of the team before the tournament in not only my opinion.

If you want I can explain a bit about the background. This just isn't the same as taking a pic with Macron or whoever.

€
@Stratos
You can argue with all of his points besides his dig at Grindel. He even contradicts himself at certain points...


Well obviously taking photos with politicians would carry a risk that it gets politicised, especially when you're a prominent figure. I think people are unhappy because they're equating the photo as ozil's clear public endorsement of the regime. So what if deep inside he likes erdogan, who could be a dictator/murderer or whatever. That's his choice to make. If the UK is OK to welcome such a person, what's wrong with ozil doing so.


Yes it is his choice to make. But he also has to live with the obvious repercussions (some of which were out of line, most however weren't) instead of playing the victim card which he's doing now.
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
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