EPTThis team isn't even the best in Europe let alone one of the best ever.
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
This team isn't even the best in Europe let alone one of the best ever. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
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Espers
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 27 2018 05:51 Pandemona wrote: This one isn't as good as the two othre wins i would 100% agree, but the fact they won it again somehow for the THIRD time in a row is pretty crazy. Gotta take your hat and think fair play. It's not really "fair play" with how Real Madrid does it. They shouldn't have even gotten past Bayern last year except for the refs literally giving them the tie with failed calls. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 27 2018 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: The thing that really irks me is all this BS talk that we'll hear about how amazing of a team this is now. The problem is that this isn't the Patriots. They play in a financial system that heavily favors them with refs that favor them more than any other team in Europe. They couldn't even compete for the Spanish title or cup, have gotten through to multiple CL trophies purely via ref bias, and 2 of their goals today were unforced keeper errors. This team isn't even the best in Europe let alone one of the best ever. funny that your arguement was valid up to "purely via ref bias"... | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 27 2018 05:56 nayumi wrote: funny that your arguement was valid up to "purely via ref bias"... I know it's hard to admit but there are some very glaring stains on football as a whole (diving, ref influence, role of money, lack of competitiveness, corruption, etc). It's easier to see in the U.S. when there are several very popular sports to compare it to (e.g. the concept that VAR is controversial is mind-blowing to most Americans). | ||
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DropBear
Australia4437 Posts
Sergio Ramos did his job. Once Salah went off the game changed. We had no one on the bench to bring on to add some spark, only injured midfielders who hadn't played in months and Solanke. I do feel Madrid were crisper in possession but lacked the penetration we had. We could definitely have won that game  Back 4 were amazing. The midfield needs depth, we need a backup striker we can trust. And as for the goalkeeper, it's been an issue for years. Klopp is on record saying that he doesn't think the goalie is that important. Hopefully he finally sees how important it is. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Overall Liverpool played well. Their defence was quite solid. Midfield was tidy. Mane showed he really wanted it. But with such an isolated attack after mo left, Liverpool could no longer threaten. Then karius had to let it all slip, pun intended. Madrid's plan was simple. They just needed to absorb to pressure, and unleash bale in the last 30min where Liverpool are at their weakest. I really don't think they could have survived if Mo was not injured though... | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 27 2018 06:01 Stratos_speAr wrote: I know it's hard to admit but there are some very glaring stains on football as a whole (diving, ref influence, role of money, lack of competitiveness, corruption, etc). It's easier to see in the U.S. when there are several very popular sports to compare it to (e.g. the concept that VAR is controversial is mind-blowing to most Americans). Dude I'm not disputing the issues with the current refereeing system in football as a whole, I'm just opposed to the idea that Real Marid's achievements, or any team for that matter, were purely the result of ref bias. Let's not forget that they didn't just win one season, but 4 out of the previous 5. During that period they won the domestic league one and came second on two occasions, both of which they were 1 to 2 points short from winning the titles (Barca won those years btw). I'm far from a Madrid's fan myself (though I do hate Liverpool with a passion) but I just simply can't discredit those stats and results with a simple "but the ref wasn't fair". | ||
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N1E
Brazil186 Posts
On May 27 2018 05:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: The thing that really irks me is all this BS talk that we'll hear about how amazing of a team this is now. The problem is that this isn't the Patriots. They play in a financial system that heavily favors them with refs that favor them more than any other team in Europe. They couldn't even compete for the Spanish title or cup, have gotten through to multiple CL trophies purely via ref bias, and 2 of their goals today were unforced keeper errors. This team isn't even the best in Europe let alone one of the best ever. Had to be someone a little less biased, from another continent, to see something that they no longer even bother to hide. You know why they didn't compete in Spain this season? Because Neymar left, and referees made it clear from the start that it would be for Barcelona, that's why I didn't even watch the league and knew from the 2nd half of fixture 1 that Madrid wouldn't be gifted the league like last season. It's a bit ridiculous though that LEGONES kicks you out of the cup if you don't have domestic referees to rescue you everytime. On May 27 2018 05:51 sharkie wrote: This team has been the best in the world for the last five years, not just result wise Not even close. Many teams were better than them, they couldn't even beat the japaneses KASHIMA without disgustingly cheating. On May 27 2018 05:51 Espers wrote: tfw Madrid wins 3 UCLs and you're still not sure what to think about them What should people actually think of a team who's losing 1-0 at home, being dominated, who then equalize with a fake penalty that was actually offside? (against PSG) I know it's hard to admit but there are some very glaring stains on football as a whole (diving, ref influence, role of money, lack of competitiveness, corruption, etc). It's easier to see in the U.S. when there are several very popular sports to compare it to (e.g. the concept that VAR is controversial is mind-blowing to most Americans). I can almost guarantee you, especially without Salah (who gave Liverpool politics backing this time for several reasons that are convenient for the parts), that if it was for Liverpool the guy would've been either called offside (in benzemas goal case) or the goal an "obstruction" for the goalkeeper, just like Casemiro's elbow doesn't cause a penalty yet in the following play the ball that rebounded at Cristiano caused a corner for madrid, instead of a goal kick for liverpool. And that's why they managed to turn VAR, which could be stone effective like in other games, just another tool to keep football manipulated. On May 27 2018 06:23 nayumi wrote:Dude I'm not disputing the issues with the current refereeing system in football as a whole, I'm just opposed to the idea that Real Marid's achievements, or any team for that matter, were purely the result of ref bias. Let's not forget that they didn't just win one season, but 4 out of the previous 5. During that period they won the domestic league one and came second on two occasions, both of which they were 1 to 2 points short from winning the titles (Barca won those years btw). I'm far from a Madrid's fan myself (though I do hate Liverpool with a passion) but I just simply can't discredit those stats and results with a simple "but the ref wasn't fair". Most of the Real Madrid titles from the past several years were only because of UEFA and referees fixing. As for the spanish league you mentioned, it was crystal clear also fixed for them, they couldn't beat average teams without penalties and inverted decisions the entire game to rescue them, and they still struggled to the end. | ||
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Grettin
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On May 27 2018 06:53 Shellshock wrote: Missed live saw the highlights. Career ending performance by the keeper? I think this depends more on Karius if he can come back from this mentally. He saved some great shots today which Mignolet wouldn't even have jumped after. Don't think he's done at European level clubs. I think he's done at Liverpool tho. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
Meanwhile, Zidane puts the real at his zenith And Ramos, what a ... | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On May 27 2018 06:40 Grettin wrote: Salah's shoulder dislocated & fractured. Won't be playing in the World cup, according to BBC. Sigh. that's a shame ... hope he can recover from this swiftly... it'd be such a waste if Salah's career faces a massive halt from this injury ... | ||
GTR
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RowdierBob
Australia13531 Posts
 Terrible news re Salah. A lot of hate going Ramos’s way but didn’t look malicious to me. Just one of those things that happens. I think Klopp got it tactically wrong a bit but in saying that losing Salah really kills our attack. Hopefully we invest in a decent keeper now. | ||
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