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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-21 21:13:57
May 08 2016 13:29 GMT
#1
It is that time of the year again Hopefully some of you are watching again.
I'll try to keep it up to date as much as I can but I won't be able to do that all the time

Info
Group stage:
Two groups of 8 teams. Top 4 advance to playoffs and last place relegates to division 1A
Playoffs:
Standard single elimination bracket.

Official website: http://www.iihfworlds2016.com
Schedule and scores: http://www.iihfworlds2016.com/en/games/
Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_IIHF_World_Championship
English coverage: http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/mens-worlds

Video
Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/icehockey/featured
VODs: https://www.youtube.com/user/icehockey/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=8
+ Show Spoiler [how to avoid spoilers] +
If you don't want the results to be spoiled just look at the pictures and don't read the titles. Click on f.e. FIN vs USA. Don't click on the flags! It says live game or highlights on the side.



Upcoming

63 22 May, Sun 16:15 GMT+3 BMG Ice Palace
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RUS ru vs us USA




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FIN fi vs ca CAN


Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-08 17:46:56
May 08 2016 13:53 GMT
#2
It's 25 degrees C here and I'm watching hockey. That feels weird.

Sweden behind 0-1
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-08 19:26:51
May 08 2016 19:23 GMT
#3
TSN.ca in Canada also provides really good english language coverage.

http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/mens-worlds

i wonder if Auston Matthews and Patrick Laine can still impact their draft placement at this event.

with 19 minutes left in the 3rd period Kazhakstan and Russia were tied 4-4
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
May 08 2016 20:40 GMT
#4
Canada is probably the big favorite but is there any other country who might take it?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-09 00:23:07
May 09 2016 00:22 GMT
#5
i dont think there is a "big favourite" in this event. especially with a 1-game win format. in a BO7 results are a lot more reliable.
also, it depends on who gets eliminated from the playoffs in the NHL.

i'd say Sweden, Canada, and Russia all have approximately a 25% chance to win. no idea between these 3 teams who the most favoured team is. Whoever is the best of these 3 teams i'd say they must be considered a slight favourite.

USA, Finland, and the Czech Republic share the other 25% chance to win. out of those 3 teams i have no idea who has the best chance.

in about 10 years i predict USA and Russia will be the dominant hockey powers.
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
May 10 2016 15:22 GMT
#6
Sound quality has improved a lot since yesterday.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
May 11 2016 03:21 GMT
#7
Welp Russia just got better. the Russians on the Washington Capitals will be headed back to their homeland.
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
May 11 2016 23:36 GMT
#8
Is anyone using the op or is it mostly for myself?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
May 12 2016 02:19 GMT
#9
i use it for the VODs.
for live games i have access to all 5 TSN.ca channels.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
May 12 2016 16:32 GMT
#10
Auston Matthews strengthened his position as #1 draft pick today.
Russia gets 3 new players from the eliminated Washington Capitals.
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
May 12 2016 20:06 GMT
#11
You think it should be possible to plan the worlds so it doesn't collide with playoffs right?
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
May 12 2016 20:39 GMT
#12
On May 13 2016 05:06 Sjokola wrote:
You think it should be possible to plan the worlds so it doesn't collide with playoffs right?

Sure, but I'm not convinced it would help. If you do it after the Stanley cup, many players would be weeks or even months into their offseason. Not to mention it would be in the middle of summer. And during or just before the NHL season might not be a good idea either.
Gottfo
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
May 12 2016 20:57 GMT
#13
On May 09 2016 09:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i dont think there is a "big favourite" in this event. especially with a 1-game win format. in a BO7 results are a lot more reliable.
also, it depends on who gets eliminated from the playoffs in the NHL.

i'd say Sweden, Canada, and Russia all have approximately a 25% chance to win. no idea between these 3 teams who the most favoured team is. Whoever is the best of these 3 teams i'd say they must be considered a slight favourite.

USA, Finland, and the Czech Republic share the other 25% chance to win. out of those 3 teams i have no idea who has the best chance.

in about 10 years i predict USA and Russia will be the dominant hockey powers.



I disagree with this. With the new eligibility rules in the CHL it only seems to push Canada farther and Euro back. 10 Years from now in the Hockey landscape will more likely look similar to how it does now but with better Goaltending for CDN. And with state sponsored doping in Russia starting to look like a huge problem it will likely hurt their development as a power. The USA having 1 good prospect every 3 years doesn't really make me believe they will be much more than a tier 2 team for a while..
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-12 21:30:11
May 12 2016 21:14 GMT
#14
you make some interesting points. however,

Canada is going down. Except for a brief time from 1981 to 1987 Canada has been the best hockey nation on earth. and its coming to an end soon. For the first time ever, more US kids play hockey than Canadian kids. The NCAA is slowly becoming a development system on par with the OHL, WHL and the Q. Combine this with the KHL flourishing and the Russians are Americans will be the best hockey nations.

Even now, the Pittsburgh Penguins just chewed up and spit out the team that won the Prez Trophy by 11 points. The Penguins have 10 americans on the team. 10.

the last 7 years or so the US has slightly outperformed Canada in the world juniors. the US will continue to improve and Canada will continue its slow decline.

On May 13 2016 05:06 Sjokola wrote:
You think it should be possible to plan the worlds so it doesn't collide with playoffs right?


the NHL season is too long to fit in thie IIHF event. i kinda like it how it is because i find the NHL pretty boring and these IIHF events like the women's, U20, and Men's gives me some good hockey to watch with no rhombuses or isosceles triangles or trapezoids on the ice.

regarding the 2016 event so far: the big 3 have all stumbled a bit. Sweden lost to the Czechs ; Canada was tied with Germany going into the 3rd period ; Russia was tied with Khazakstan going into the 3rd period..
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Gottfo
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
May 12 2016 22:05 GMT
#15
On May 13 2016 06:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
you make some interesting points. however,

Canada is going down. Except for a brief time from 1981 to 1987 Canada has been the best hockey nation on earth. and its coming to an end soon. For the first time ever, more US kids play hockey than Canadian kids. The NCAA is slowly becoming a development system on par with the OHL, WHL and the Q. Combine this with the KHL flourishing and the Russians are Americans will be the best hockey nations.

Even now, the Pittsburgh Penguins just chewed up and spit out the team that won the Prez Trophy by 11 points. The Penguins have 10 americans on the team. 10.

the last 7 years or so the US has slightly outperformed Canada in the world juniors. the US will continue to improve and Canada will continue its slow decline.

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On May 13 2016 05:06 Sjokola wrote:
You think it should be possible to plan the worlds so it doesn't collide with playoffs right?


the NHL season is too long to fit in thie IIHF event. i kinda like it how it is because i find the NHL pretty boring and these IIHF events like the women's, U20, and Men's gives me some good hockey to watch with no rhombuses or isosceles triangles or trapezoids on the ice.

regarding the 2016 event so far: the big 3 have all stumbled a bit. Sweden lost to the Czechs ; Canada was tied with Germany going into the 3rd period ; Russia was tied with Khazakstan going into the 3rd period..



The last 10 years Canada has 5 Golds, 2 Silver, and a bronze in the WJC. And it is fast becoming a pointless international tournament that TSN hypes up for ratings. Lots of Canada's eligible players don't play because they are in the NHL already ie. McDavid, Ekbald, Domi, Stome. There are 11 Canadians on the Penguins, including the MVP of that series which nobody can deny was Matt Murray. On the same point though that Bonino and Kessel line was fire in that game 6 and did win that 1 game, most of those guys are depth/filler guys not superstars. and the KHL is not thriving it is actually suffering financially and talent wise. It's top 2 Russian players want to leav, not to mention are NHL castoffs. All the KHL is at this point is an NHL castoff list.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-12 22:51:36
May 12 2016 22:27 GMT
#16
the next intriguing matches do not occur until next tuesday. its Canada v. Finland and Russia v Sweden on Tuesday
http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/mens-worlds/schedule

On May 13 2016 07:05 Gottfo wrote:Lots of Canada's eligible players don't play because they are in the NHL already

that has been true for decades. Gretzky dominated the event at age 16 and never played in it again. Lindros dominated the event at age 17 and never played again. Mario Lemieux etc etc... the only reason Crosby played in it at 18 was because of an NHL strike.


On May 13 2016 07:05 Gottfo wrote:
The last 10 years Canada has 5 Golds, 2 Silver, and a bronze in the WJC. And it is fast becoming a pointless international tournament that TSN hypes up for ratings.


Actually Canada is 4,2 and 1 in the past 10. My comment was that in 10 years USA will be better. The Canadians who won in the World Juniors 10 and 9 years ago will be in the greatly diminished parts of their career.

in the last 7 years Canada has 1 gold. Finns 2, USA 2, Sweden 1 , and Russia 1. When is the last time Canada only had 1 gold medal during a 7 year stretch of this event? like 1975 when they didn't send a team. the last 7 years has been intriguing TV and worthy of the high ratings TSN generates.

With the parity of this event its hardly a "Canada only" TSN event.

here is the history here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Under-20_Championship_medalists

and regarding this event any one of 6 teams have a shot at winning it.
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Gottfo
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
May 12 2016 23:26 GMT
#17
On May 13 2016 07:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the next intriguing matches do not occur until next tuesday. its Canada v. Finland and Russia v Sweden on Tuesday
http://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/mens-worlds/schedule

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On May 13 2016 07:05 Gottfo wrote:Lots of Canada's eligible players don't play because they are in the NHL already

that has been true for decades. Gretzky dominated the event at age 16 and never played in it again. Lindros dominated the event at age 17 and never played again. Mario Lemieux etc etc... the only reason Crosby played in it at 18 was because of an NHL strike.


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On May 13 2016 07:05 Gottfo wrote:
The last 10 years Canada has 5 Golds, 2 Silver, and a bronze in the WJC. And it is fast becoming a pointless international tournament that TSN hypes up for ratings.


Actually Canada is 4,2 and 1 in the past 10. My comment was that in 10 years USA will be better. The Canadians who won in the World Juniors 10 and 9 years ago will be in the greatly diminished parts of their career.

in the last 7 years Canada has 1 gold. Finns 2, USA 2, Sweden 1 , and Russia 1. When is the last time Canada only had 1 gold medal during a 7 year stretch of this event? like 1975 when they didn't send a team. the last 7 years has been intriguing TV and worthy of the high ratings TSN generates.

With the parity of this event its hardly a "Canada only" TSN event.

here is the history here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IIHF_World_Under-20_Championship_medalists

and regarding this event any one of 6 teams have a shot at winning it.


Sorry I Was 1 Gold off... if you go 11 years then it's 5.
1 Gold in 7 years is exactly the reason for the changes to the CHL eligibility rules like I said early. With restrictions to Euro/USA players it will only help the developement of young players. And from 1998 - 2004 Canada had 0 Golds. 10 years from then though look at us now.. I'm all for parity in international events and hope that other countries like Germany, Austria and what not can continue to develope and compete... Even S.Korea is got a team together for the olympics but I just don't think the competition is gonna come from the same place as you. Finland and Sweden seem more realistic to me, but at the same time I don't see Canada falling from the list of the most dominate.
Gottfo
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
May 12 2016 23:27 GMT
#18
And I do agree any of the 6 teams have a chance to win it this year.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-13 01:28:39
May 13 2016 00:22 GMT
#19
i see Canada's minor hockey leagues eroding due to increased expenses and concerns about head injuries. Canada has won 1 medal in the last 5 years of the world juniors.

here is a starting look at canadian boys hockey... enrollment is way down and Hockey Canada is in panic mode.
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2012/01/04/the_future_looks_bleak_for_canadian_minor_hockey.html

Kuznetsov, Orlov, and Ovechkin are set to join team Russia on Saturday.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2016/05/11/alex-ovechkin-evgeny-kuznetsov-and-dmitry-orlov-join-russia-for-world-championships/

This will be Ovechkin's 12th world championships and Kuznetsov's 4th. at the end of this addition Russia will still have room to add 1 more skater and 1 more goalie. Ovechkin has won gold at this event 3 times.

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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16794 Posts
May 15 2016 00:11 GMT
#20
Hungary had their first win in 77 years at the World Championships. Congrats!

Sweden only outshot Norway 38-25 and only won 3-2. The game was in doubt in the final 2 minutes. Sweden lost to the Czech Republic 4-2 earlier in this event. Of the "big 3" Sweden looks the most vulnerable. They rank 6th in the power rankings so far and they've earned the low standing.
http://www.iihfworlds2016.com/en/news/power-rankings-14-may/

All the other results went pretty much as expected. This event heats up on Tuesday.

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