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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 01 2014 03:46 GMT
#3181
Emphasis on probably.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2014 03:47 GMT
#3182
On June 01 2014 12:41 AgentW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 12:36 On_Slaught wrote:
If aliens came down only for this series, or the playoffs for that matter, not a single one would say Durant was the MVP of the Thunder, let alone the whole league. Everything you see on the court in terms of heart and leadership tells you this is WBs team, not KDs. In this series, they'd probably even put Ibaka in front of KD in terms of importance, though they'd be wrong since the Thunder are so poorly put together they literally only have 4 people that can consistently score on the ENTIRE team.

Blow it up!

I know you're speaking somewhat tongue in cheek, but I think there is underlying legitimacy here. I'm not sure Durant's an alpha dog. I think Westbrook is, I just don't know if either of those is a good thing.


Well put. Alpha dog is the best way to explain the difference between the two mentalities.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2014 03:49 GMT
#3183
On June 01 2014 12:36 On_Slaught wrote:
If aliens came down only for this series, or the playoffs for that matter, not a single one would say Durant was the MVP of the Thunder, let alone the whole league. Everything you see on the court in terms of heart and leadership tells you this is WBs team, not KDs. In this series, they'd probably even put Ibaka in front of KD in terms of importance, though they'd be wrong since the Thunder are so poorly put together they literally only have 4 people that can consistently score on the ENTIRE team.

Blow it up!


Indy and OKC should figure something out. Somewhere in there is two really good teams that are logically put together.
Freeeeeeedom
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 03:54:33
June 01 2014 03:51 GMT
#3184
I think you are confusing 'wanting to win' with 'wanting the ball' with 'feeling comfortable taking the last shot' with 'being the primary ball-handler at the end of games'. You could clearly see at several points Durant was frustrated with teammates (mostly Jackon/WB) for not getting him the ball when he was open. Just because he doesn't throw his teamates! under the bus publicly doesn't make him not a leader. Or is Lebron back to not being a winner because he passed to an open Bosh in the corner and then they lost?

OKC had no depth, and frequently no offensive playbook, I don't see how either of those are failures of KD.
How many points did OKC end up with from their bench? Was it just the one Fisher 3 or was their more at some point?

E: Kudos to Jerubaal for predicting the close game in spite of grief from the community, you should make this happen more often.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
June 01 2014 03:52 GMT
#3185
I dunno that it's that simple. Durant looks extremely 'alpha dog' when WB is gone(but the team isn't better as a whole, especially not on defense). Without turning this into some retarded sociology/behavioral psych discussion about degrees of alpha/beta/omega/etc, I just think it has to do with how bad their offense is.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
June 01 2014 03:53 GMT
#3186
[image loading]

Seems so appropriate for WB's last shot
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 03:55:03
June 01 2014 03:54 GMT
#3187
On June 01 2014 12:51 Haiq343 wrote:
I think you are confusing 'wanting to win' with 'wanting the ball' with 'feeling comfortable taking the last shot' with 'being the primary ball-handler at the end of games'. You could clearly see at several points Durant was frustrated with teammates (mostly Jackon/WB) for not getting him the ball when he was open. Just because he doesn't throw his teamates! under the bus publicly doesn't make him not a leader. Or is Lebron back to not being a winner because he passed to an open Bosh in the corner and then they lost?

OKC had no depth, and frequently no offensive playbook, I don't see how either of those are failures of KD.
How many points did OKC end up with from their bench? Was it just the one Fisher 3 or was their more at some point?

E: Kudos to Jerubaal for predicting the close game in spite of grief from the community, you would make this happen more often.


To play devils advocate; the fact he can't get them to do what he wants, despite being the MVP, means they either don't respect him as a leader or think they can do it better. Neither is good. Brooks deserves a lot of blame too though.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2014 03:57 GMT
#3188
LOL
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
June 01 2014 03:58 GMT
#3189
On June 01 2014 12:51 Haiq343 wrote:
I think you are confusing 'wanting to win' with 'wanting the ball' with 'feeling comfortable taking the last shot' with 'being the primary ball-handler at the end of games'. You could clearly see at several points Durant was frustrated with teammates (mostly Jackon/WB) for not getting him the ball when he was open. Just because he doesn't throw his teamates! under the bus publicly doesn't make him not a leader. Or is Lebron back to not being a winner because he passed to an open Bosh in the corner and then they lost?

OKC had no depth, and frequently no offensive playbook, I don't see how either of those are failures of KD.
How many points did OKC end up with from their bench? Was it just the one Fisher 3 or was their more at some point?

E: Kudos to Jerubaal for predicting the close game in spite of grief from the community, you should make this happen more often.

It's not fair to say they would be there without Westbrook, or that playing without him makes the team better. That's simply not true. I think the distinction between the mentality of a lot of the elites and what I've seen from Durant is that Westbrook, not Durant, seems to be the one who wants the ball, and he's gonna throw your nuts in a vice if you don't give him the damn ball. Perhaps it's the frenetic pace at which he plays, but it seems that Durant isn't that guy. I don't know if it's something he can change, and I think it's good that there's only one of those guys (usually two can't coexist), I just think it's unfortunate that it's not KD who seems to be the crazed lunatic of the pair.

As for Jerubaal's prediction, he said "closer" IIRC. It's easy to be closer than 20 points
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 04:03:16
June 01 2014 04:02 GMT
#3190
I know no one's really looking to cut into Durant, and that this is how we talk sports as a culture. But it seems silly for the entire perception of a player to be determined by team success while ignoring the surrounding circumstances (i.e. teammates). We make up these narratives and usually they're just bogus /soapbox.

Maybe KD leaves OKC. That would be glorious retribution for Sonics fans. I need to add it to the list of sports things I wish would happen but never will.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 01 2014 04:03 GMT
#3191
On June 01 2014 13:02 Haiq343 wrote:
I know no one's really looking to cut into Durant, and that this is how we talk sports as a culture. But it seems silly for the entire perception of a player to be determined by team success while ignoring the surrounding circumstances (i.e. teammates). We make up these narratives and usually their just bogus /soapbox.

Maybe KD leaves OKC. That would be glorious retribution for Sonics fans. I need to add it to the list of sports things I wish would happen but never will.


Would you say KD has a better team than James had in Cleveland? B/c James got CRUCIFIED on a regular basis. Seems to me like KD gets a pass.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 04:09:57
June 01 2014 04:07 GMT
#3192
The problem for KD these playoffs besides some weird offensive droughts vs players you wouldn't expect, was his defense was horrible. WB is usually the one with the defensive mistakes on a grand scale.

@On_SLaught: He does. And KD has been on loaded teams from the get go that Kobe/Wade/Lebron/Paul didn't get. All of those guys got absolutely dogged for not winning vs superior teams with subpar casts. If KD loses again the wolves will probably be out.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
June 01 2014 04:08 GMT
#3193
When Russell was out earlier this year, OKC was a better team.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 01 2014 04:10 GMT
#3194
You just can't handle my mad prognosticatory skills.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
June 01 2014 04:10 GMT
#3195
For sure this OKC team is better than those disasters James carried to the finals. In general I'd suggest the better teams are playing at a higher level now then they were then as well (not the bottom feeders obviously). And yes Lebron got hammered and it was beyond dumb. Mo' Williams was the 2nd best player on a few of those teams, jesus.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 01 2014 04:11 GMT
#3196
On June 01 2014 12:57 Ace wrote:
LOL


omg LOL
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
365 Posts
June 01 2014 04:21 GMT
#3197
On June 01 2014 13:07 Ace wrote:
The problem for KD these playoffs besides some weird offensive droughts vs players you wouldn't expect, was his defense was horrible. WB is usually the one with the defensive mistakes on a grand scale.

@On_SLaught: He does. And KD has been on loaded teams from the get go that Kobe/Wade/Lebron/Paul didn't get. All of those guys got absolutely dogged for not winning vs superior teams with subpar casts. If KD loses again the wolves will probably be out.



Paul has never been past the 2nd round. He doesn't belong there. Durant has been to the finals once and the conference finals twice and he's only just entering his prime. His time will come.

And if I recall the Kobe/Shaq tandem was pretty dominant. Doesn't hurt when you have one of the GOAT coaches as well.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2014 04:25 GMT
#3198
Kobe 05-07? Chris Paul losing to better teams every year when healthy while putting up Magic Johnson numbers? You serious?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 01 2014 04:49 GMT
#3199
omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[image loading]
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
June 01 2014 04:49 GMT
#3200
On June 01 2014 13:08 Zorkmid wrote:
When Russell was out earlier this year, OKC was a better team.

No they weren't.
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