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On June 08 2013 12:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Jordan was a twig compared to your avg NBA player today. FT line dunk? That's like a requirement to get into the slam dunk contest nowadays. He wouldn't last 2 seconds in the modern NBA. He came back for the Wizards and he was a mediocre player when the game evolved 
He was still a good player and most importantly, he was an old man. 
I'm not sure the NBA had evolved that much in 2002-03, aside from having Shaq destroy people like never before. I think that was mostly just age.
And in that ESPN article he said his playing weight was 218. Paul George is listed at 6'8" 221. So not really a twig. I mean, I'm a believer that NBA players are better than ever, but I think Jordan would still be dominant today and had a body/athleticism for the modern NBA.
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On June 08 2013 12:53 Jibba wrote:
The idea that MJ didn't complain about fouls is ridiculous. He headbutted a ref once and got suspended.
Flopping has been prevalent with some players since at least the 80's. They try to sell it as an injury more often these days, but it's also part of the culture and what they can get away with.
I didn't say Jordan never complained about fouls. He raged more often than not. I was merely poking fun at Lebron's "12 year old girl encounters Justin Beiber" reaction.
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On June 08 2013 13:18 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 12:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Jordan was a twig compared to your avg NBA player today. FT line dunk? That's like a requirement to get into the slam dunk contest nowadays. He wouldn't last 2 seconds in the modern NBA. He came back for the Wizards and he was a mediocre player when the game evolved He was still a good player and most importantly, he was an old man. I'm not sure the NBA had evolved that much in 2002-03, aside from having Shaq destroy people like never before. I think that was mostly just age. And in that ESPN article he said his playing weight was 218. Paul George is listed at 6'8" 221. So not really a twig. I mean, I'm a believer that NBA players are better than ever, but I think Jordan would still be dominant today and had a body/athleticism for the modern NBA.
I think itsmedudeman is just trolling a little bit. Professional NBA trainers have said that Jordan had more fast-twitch muscle power than anyone. Which is more important than "size" in basketball. There are guys that can squat twice as much as me but they can't jump nearly as high as I can. Also, athleticism declines rapidly after 28. Most people watch MJ highlights from his later championship years. But watch footage from his younger years to see how truly explosive he was.
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On June 08 2013 14:25 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 13:18 Jibba wrote:On June 08 2013 12:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Jordan was a twig compared to your avg NBA player today. FT line dunk? That's like a requirement to get into the slam dunk contest nowadays. He wouldn't last 2 seconds in the modern NBA. He came back for the Wizards and he was a mediocre player when the game evolved He was still a good player and most importantly, he was an old man. I'm not sure the NBA had evolved that much in 2002-03, aside from having Shaq destroy people like never before. I think that was mostly just age. And in that ESPN article he said his playing weight was 218. Paul George is listed at 6'8" 221. So not really a twig. I mean, I'm a believer that NBA players are better than ever, but I think Jordan would still be dominant today and had a body/athleticism for the modern NBA. I think itsmedudeman is just trolling a little bit. Professional NBA trainers have said that Jordan had more fast-twitch muscle power than anyone. Which is more important than "size" in basketball. There are guys that can squat twice as much as me but they can't jump nearly as high as I can. Also, athleticism declines rapidly after 28. Most people watch MJ highlights from his later championship years. But watch footage from his younger years to see how truly explosive he was.
Yep, plus he combined it with ridiculous flexibility.
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On June 08 2013 14:25 scaban84 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 13:18 Jibba wrote:On June 08 2013 12:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Jordan was a twig compared to your avg NBA player today. FT line dunk? That's like a requirement to get into the slam dunk contest nowadays. He wouldn't last 2 seconds in the modern NBA. He came back for the Wizards and he was a mediocre player when the game evolved He was still a good player and most importantly, he was an old man. I'm not sure the NBA had evolved that much in 2002-03, aside from having Shaq destroy people like never before. I think that was mostly just age. And in that ESPN article he said his playing weight was 218. Paul George is listed at 6'8" 221. So not really a twig. I mean, I'm a believer that NBA players are better than ever, but I think Jordan would still be dominant today and had a body/athleticism for the modern NBA. I think itsmedudeman is just trolling a little bit. Professional NBA trainers have said that Jordan had more fast-twitch muscle power than anyone. Which is more important than "size" in basketball. There are guys that can squat twice as much as me but they can't jump nearly as high as I can. Also, athleticism declines rapidly after 28. Most people watch MJ highlights from his later championship years. But watch footage from his younger years to see how truly explosive he was.
Medicine, training and nutrition has evolved tenfold since Jordan was 28. lol
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On June 08 2013 15:18 saltygrapes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 14:25 scaban84 wrote:On June 08 2013 13:18 Jibba wrote:On June 08 2013 12:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Jordan was a twig compared to your avg NBA player today. FT line dunk? That's like a requirement to get into the slam dunk contest nowadays. He wouldn't last 2 seconds in the modern NBA. He came back for the Wizards and he was a mediocre player when the game evolved He was still a good player and most importantly, he was an old man. I'm not sure the NBA had evolved that much in 2002-03, aside from having Shaq destroy people like never before. I think that was mostly just age. And in that ESPN article he said his playing weight was 218. Paul George is listed at 6'8" 221. So not really a twig. I mean, I'm a believer that NBA players are better than ever, but I think Jordan would still be dominant today and had a body/athleticism for the modern NBA. I think itsmedudeman is just trolling a little bit. Professional NBA trainers have said that Jordan had more fast-twitch muscle power than anyone. Which is more important than "size" in basketball. There are guys that can squat twice as much as me but they can't jump nearly as high as I can. Also, athleticism declines rapidly after 28. Most people watch MJ highlights from his later championship years. But watch footage from his younger years to see how truly explosive he was. Medicine, training and nutrition has evolved tenfold since Jordan was 28. lol
So, we are going to give Lebron and Wade credit because other people figured out what kinds of vitamins they should take?
This is why inter-generational comparisons are ridiculous. Lebron was born in (i think) Jordan's first year in the league. We should assume Jordan has the bonus strength, agility, etc from not only his own nutrition and weight programs, but for his mother's prenatal vitamins and more.
This is why I am a fan of the "brain transplant" test. If we put Lebron's brain in Jordan's body, and ViceVersa, who does better? The epitome of this test is Dwight Howard, I doubt there is a single player in the NBA who's realized production is as short of his actual potential as Howard.
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Shaq.
As good as he was he'd be GOAT (literally, not so far) if he had Jordan's competitiveness.
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I don't agree with the Shaq not being competitive.
In my mind someone who had everything going for him to become one of the GOATs and did not because he was too lazy/not competitive enough and just didn't have the mental edge of someone like Jordan was Vince Carter.
Vince Carter had inhuman athletic ability(better than jordan fyi),excellent jump shot,never had a really major injury at his peek,but he just didn't have that extra edge or the drive.I mean having that kind of skill,physical predispositions and even having jason kidd as point guard,it's almost a miracle not to win something at least at that point.
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Shaq kinda never gave a fuck. Yeah he was great but with that body he'd have to try extremely hard not to.
We wanna talk about wasted talent let's look at Len Bias. Give him the mind of a Jordan who'd never try Coke cause he was too busy trying to beat the shit out of everyone at everything and you'd have a great player.
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On June 08 2013 13:06 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 12:53 Jibba wrote:
The idea that MJ didn't complain about fouls is ridiculous. He headbutted a ref once and got suspended. Next you'll have people telling you that MJ never had a bad game in the playoffs/finals... oh wait. Jordan is the GOAT, but people have some serious revisionist history in their heads about him.
Dude is 6/6 and prob would be 8/8 if he didn't take a two year hiatus. People have forgotten how good MJ was. He would carve shit up today if he were playing.
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The biggest thing to me,if you think about it,is that hand checking was allowed back than.
I mean if you ever played basketball you can understand what a monumental difference it is between the defense being played now and,for instance,the piston defense that Jordan had to play against.
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yeah if Jordan didn't have to deal with handchecking he'd absolutely dominate the league even harder than he already did.
Same goes for any guard from over ten years ago.
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On June 08 2013 21:07 TheKefka wrote:
The biggest thing to me,if you think about it,is that hand checking was allowed back than.
I mean if you ever played basketball you can understand what a monumental difference it is between the defense being played now and,for instance,the piston defense that Jordan had to play against.
I can't blame him for being upset when he had to deal with this shit.
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Let's not get into another silly Jordan argument because it's been argued to death already. There will be arguments about how much help he had (no rings before Phil, Pippen, Grant/Rodman, etc.), the rules changes (handcheck/"Jordan Rules" vs. more sophisticated defenses/allowed to semi-zone), and the level of competition he faced. Let's leave it for another time because we're in the midst of a great finals series at the end of a great postseason with two great teams.
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Ok, new conversation topic.
MJ had Michael Jordan: Chaos in the Windy City
Charles had Barkley Shut Up and Jam!
Shaq had Shaq-Fu
What would Tim Duncan's video game be?
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Coach T Teaches you the FUNdamentals.
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On June 09 2013 07:20 Jerubaal wrote:
Coach T Teaches you the FUNdamentals.
Yeah, and it'd be an educational game where you have to like spell shit to make Timmy make bank shots.
Shut up and Jam best videogame based on a single bball player ever.
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On June 08 2013 21:07 TheKefka wrote:
The biggest thing to me,if you think about it,is that hand checking was allowed back than.
I mean if you ever played basketball you can understand what a monumental difference it is between the defense being played now and,for instance,the piston defense that Jordan had to play against. yeah but how ridiculous would lebron be if he were allowed to hand check people though? i really doubt allowing MORE contact would hurt guys like lebron (who jordan will get compared to)
really the major rule change between jordan's prime and now is the illegal defence rules, during jordan's time you had to either be doubling or guarding your own guy. no shading, no half doubles, fake doubles. you only have to watch game 1 to see how successfully the spurs implemented all those tactics against lebron. offensive efficiency went down noticeably when those rules were scrapped.
on balance it's fairly unlikely that it was harder to be an offensive player in the 90s than it is now, players play markedly better offence now and offensive efficiency isn't any better. defences are just much more sophisticated than they used to be
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On June 09 2013 08:51 DystopiaX wrote:Yeah, and it'd be an educational game where you have to like spell shit to make Timmy make bank shots. Shut up and Jam best videogame based on a single bball player ever.
You have to find the angle to make that bankshot.
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EPT
