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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
March 05 2013 02:04 GMT
#561
On March 05 2013 10:51 Mementoss wrote:
Have any of you ran double smolov jr? (Squat/bench, or squat/OHP) Should you run it with a 2/2 (eg squat mon thu, ohp tues friday). Or just run it in 3 weeks starting with squat ending with bench or OHP?

Is it more beneficial to run double smolov jr or just do one in 3 weeks than another after the cycle.


Quick google of "smolov jr" - it's just the regular smolov program's base cycle (the strength cycle) without the tapering program at the end. The sets, reps, percentages, and progression are all the same.

if that's actually the case, then running it for bench and squat simultaneously is just stupid. If you only do two workouts/week of a particular exercise, you're not doing smolov anymore, and you're ruining the periodization that is the whole point of the routine. If you try to do them both in the same workout you're going to come out of it unbalanced (because there's NO WAY you're also going to do back work) possibly (probably) with your shoulders killing you, and completely burnt out on lifting.

Run it for the squat if you want, and do some benching afterwards on one day, some pullups or chest-supported rows on the next, and just cycle it like that (this is what I did). I wouldn't even recommend doing OHP those days because your lower body is THAT fried. I often had to sit for ten minutes or more after finishing before I could walk out to my car - and sit for ten additional minutes in my car before I was comfortable driving home.

Running it for bench... I'm just not sure that would work out, and for OHP I'm quite sure that it's a bad idea - but it's your body and your workout.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
March 05 2013 02:16 GMT
#562
On March 05 2013 11:04 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:51 Mementoss wrote:
Have any of you ran double smolov jr? (Squat/bench, or squat/OHP) Should you run it with a 2/2 (eg squat mon thu, ohp tues friday). Or just run it in 3 weeks starting with squat ending with bench or OHP?

Is it more beneficial to run double smolov jr or just do one in 3 weeks than another after the cycle.


Quick google of "smolov jr" - it's just the regular smolov program's base cycle (the strength cycle) without the tapering program at the end. The sets, reps, percentages, and progression are all the same.

if that's actually the case, then running it for bench and squat simultaneously is just stupid. If you only do two workouts/week of a particular exercise, you're not doing smolov anymore, and you're ruining the periodization that is the whole point of the routine. If you try to do them both in the same workout you're going to come out of it unbalanced (because there's NO WAY you're also going to do back work) possibly (probably) with your shoulders killing you, and completely burnt out on lifting.

Run it for the squat if you want, and do some benching afterwards on one day, some pullups or chest-supported rows on the next, and just cycle it like that (this is what I did). I wouldn't even recommend doing OHP those days because your lower body is THAT fried. I often had to sit for ten minutes or more after finishing before I could walk out to my car - and sit for ten additional minutes in my car before I was comfortable driving home.

Running it for bench... I'm just not sure that would work out, and for OHP I'm quite sure that it's a bad idea - but it's your body and your workout.


I have ran it for bench before with 20lb gain in 3 weeks. But it seemed to be peak performance cause I seemed to feel a bit weaker a couple weeks after not benching 4 times a week. Your probably right that it would lose its benefits if you split it 2/2. I just got the idea from this http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13/how-i-dramatically-increased-my-standing-military-press-6-weeks-293758/

But your probably right to do one and have max focus on one cycle and do different other exercises for different days. Actually im just looking for a new program as my other programs just finished up or are finishing up this week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 05 2013 03:05 GMT
#563
On March 05 2013 11:16 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 11:04 phyre112 wrote:
On March 05 2013 10:51 Mementoss wrote:
Have any of you ran double smolov jr? (Squat/bench, or squat/OHP) Should you run it with a 2/2 (eg squat mon thu, ohp tues friday). Or just run it in 3 weeks starting with squat ending with bench or OHP?

Is it more beneficial to run double smolov jr or just do one in 3 weeks than another after the cycle.


Quick google of "smolov jr" - it's just the regular smolov program's base cycle (the strength cycle) without the tapering program at the end. The sets, reps, percentages, and progression are all the same.

if that's actually the case, then running it for bench and squat simultaneously is just stupid. If you only do two workouts/week of a particular exercise, you're not doing smolov anymore, and you're ruining the periodization that is the whole point of the routine. If you try to do them both in the same workout you're going to come out of it unbalanced (because there's NO WAY you're also going to do back work) possibly (probably) with your shoulders killing you, and completely burnt out on lifting.

Run it for the squat if you want, and do some benching afterwards on one day, some pullups or chest-supported rows on the next, and just cycle it like that (this is what I did). I wouldn't even recommend doing OHP those days because your lower body is THAT fried. I often had to sit for ten minutes or more after finishing before I could walk out to my car - and sit for ten additional minutes in my car before I was comfortable driving home.

Running it for bench... I'm just not sure that would work out, and for OHP I'm quite sure that it's a bad idea - but it's your body and your workout.


I have ran it for bench before with 20lb gain in 3 weeks. But it seemed to be peak performance cause I seemed to feel a bit weaker a couple weeks after not benching 4 times a week. Your probably right that it would lose its benefits if you split it 2/2. I just got the idea from this http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f13/how-i-dramatically-increased-my-standing-military-press-6-weeks-293758/

But your probably right to do one and have max focus on one cycle and do different other exercises for different days. Actually im just looking for a new program as my other programs just finished up or are finishing up this week.


I'm curious, how long have you been training for? With programs like these I worry that someone with 6 months experience will attempt it, and judging by the numbers you should have somewhere in the range of 5-10 years of training for this to be worth it.
Fear is the mind killer
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20021 Posts
March 05 2013 04:34 GMT
#564
On March 05 2013 01:02 capu wrote:
He's very strong but what do you think of his starting position @snatch?


I think he's definitely got room to improve on his technique. It's still improving though. Guy is just super strong and super fast.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20021 Posts
March 05 2013 04:35 GMT
#565
Kind of want to take a week or two off now that i'm done with the arnold and starting back up with rugby and nationals are pretty far out. but i got bored and went in anyways

snatch 50 70 90 90 100 100 110 110 120 120 125 130x 130x 135x
cj 50 70 100 120 130 140 145
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
March 05 2013 04:54 GMT
#566
Went for 130kg on the squat for a set of five today for an all time PR. First try i got 4 reps and couldn't get the last one up. Second set I got it oh yeaaah. I went 4,5,3,3,1 on my sets. I know it's not much but it was a milestone for me. When I started this cycle my 1RM was 135kg so hitting 130x5 was pretty big for me. Next up 140!

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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
March 05 2013 05:03 GMT
#567
What a beautiful Set of squats donkeys, Monster effort. It looked like you were done after the 3rd rep.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
March 05 2013 05:06 GMT
#568
It seems now I am sick for real. The stress of the last few weeks shines through now. I am gonna have to take a couple of sessions of.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Vitruvian
Profile Joined September 2011
United States168 Posts
March 05 2013 16:12 GMT
#569
On March 01 2013 02:25 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 01:31 Vitruvian wrote:
Yesterday's workout:
Squat singles @ 365, 375, 380
2 sets 5 reps jump squats @ 225 (Is it reasonable to expect these to improve my power out of the hole?)
3 sets 5 reps OHP @ 140
5 sets 2 reps clean @ 225

Overhead press always makes my low back really uncomfortable afterwards; it's clearly from the stress of the layback, even though I'm always making sure to keep my abs as tight as possible. Wearing a belt helps a little bit, but not enough. Are there any helpful mental cues to focus on that might eliminate this issue?

Usually the abs tight is what helps me. Is your butt tight too? I'd imagine the hip angle is going to matter when it comes to the pressure applying to your lower back and keeping that locked tight should help?


Yeah, I'm always trying to focus on abs tight, glutes tight...I'll have to experiment with hip angle; it's entirely possible that my layback is a bit too extreme.


On March 01 2013 17:28 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 02:25 mordek wrote:
On March 01 2013 01:31 Vitruvian wrote:
Yesterday's workout:
Squat singles @ 365, 375, 380
2 sets 5 reps jump squats @ 225 (Is it reasonable to expect these to improve my power out of the hole?)
3 sets 5 reps OHP @ 140
5 sets 2 reps clean @ 225

Overhead press always makes my low back really uncomfortable afterwards; it's clearly from the stress of the layback, even though I'm always making sure to keep my abs as tight as possible. Wearing a belt helps a little bit, but not enough. Are there any helpful mental cues to focus on that might eliminate this issue?

Usually the abs tight is what helps me. Is your butt tight too? I'd imagine the hip angle is going to matter when it comes to the pressure applying to your lower back and keeping that locked tight should help?


i use a thumbless grip, i dont know if that will help you, but i think its great


I'll try thumbless tomorrow to see how it feels

Yesterday's workout:

3 sets 5 squats @ 330
5/4/2 bench press @ 225
2 sets 5 deadlift @ 405
1 set 8 deadlift @ 315
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20021 Posts
March 05 2013 18:30 GMT
#570
nice squats bru
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
March 05 2013 18:59 GMT
#571
Got a quick question:
what do you guys have to say about locking out reps? Should I do it? I'm currently locking out on all my lifts except dips, especially concerned about bench press.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 21:28:37
March 05 2013 21:25 GMT
#572
On March 05 2013 10:51 Mementoss wrote:
Have any of you ran double smolov jr? (Squat/bench, or squat/OHP) Should you run it with a 2/2 (eg squat mon thu, ohp tues friday). Or just run it in 3 weeks starting with squat ending with bench or OHP?

Is it more beneficial to run double smolov jr or just do one in 3 weeks than another after the cycle.



I've never run Smolov jr at the same time as Smolov squat. I think it'd be a pretty bad idea, which would you do first? When I've run Smolov Jr I did the bench/OHP first and then just did my other stuff like squat afterwards. I think doing that many sets/reps of bench will just mean you screw up your squats. It'd be even worse the other way around.

I think it's a bad idea, but I've never done it. Report back if you try it.

Also just run bench all the way through, don't mix in ohp (or vice versa). I actually ran OHP for 3 weeks, took a week off, then ran it for bench for 3 weeks. Worked very well.
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
March 05 2013 21:53 GMT
#573
On March 06 2013 03:59 decaf wrote:
Got a quick question:
what do you guys have to say about locking out reps? Should I do it? I'm currently locking out on all my lifts except dips, especially concerned about bench press.


As a general rule: If strength training, lock out on high intensity. If bodybuilding, maximize time under tension.
Fear is the mind killer
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-01 04:54:23
March 05 2013 22:35 GMT
#574
Ooooh shit so I've been exchanging emails with the owner of a cross fit gym and he said he could only let me lift at 6am or 7am. I told him that I couldn't do that time but we made an agreement. Gonna be using bumpers and spinning bars for the first time ever. TLHF represent.
http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20021 Posts
March 05 2013 23:00 GMT
#575
Nice! Lifting with bumpers and a good bar will be awesome.

Checked out the team gym today, just your typical athletic club right now but they're getting in a bunch of crossfit stuff and its free for the team so that'll be sweet.

Back squats: 135, 225, 315, 365, 405, 435, 455, then 3x405, 415, 425 (all prs i think lol)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
March 05 2013 23:28 GMT
#576
Got 200 pounds on cleans today! PR by 25! And it felt easy. My team is doing max outs at the end of this month. I'm hoping I can get up to 230 by then.
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-06 01:35:06
March 06 2013 01:34 GMT
#577
Much, much better today.

Hit my squats easily today. I stayed at the same weight as Thursday since that, uh, didn't go so well ^^


Squats - 5x5 80kg
Chin Ups - bw+10 6,5,5
Dips - bw 12,10,10

And I did 2km on the rowing machine. Fun stuff!
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
March 06 2013 13:12 GMT
#578
On March 06 2013 10:34 LovE- wrote:
Much, much better today.

Hit my squats easily today. I stayed at the same weight as Thursday since that, uh, didn't go so well ^^

Show nested quote +

Squats - 5x5 80kg
Chin Ups - bw+10 6,5,5
Dips - bw 12,10,10

And I did 2km on the rowing machine. Fun stuff!

Is that 10lb assistance or added on the chin-ups?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
March 06 2013 16:03 GMT
#579
On March 06 2013 22:12 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2013 10:34 LovE- wrote:
Much, much better today.

Hit my squats easily today. I stayed at the same weight as Thursday since that, uh, didn't go so well ^^


Squats - 5x5 80kg
Chin Ups - bw+10 6,5,5
Dips - bw 12,10,10

And I did 2km on the rowing machine. Fun stuff!

Is that 10lb assistance or added on the chin-ups?


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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
March 06 2013 16:12 GMT
#580
I was hoping! You've come a long way :D Keep it up!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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