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On January 29 2013 09:57 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 05:49 NuclearJudas wrote:
1,7m is a crazy good price for Holtby, even on an outgoing contract. Great player. Have had my eyes on him ever since his season at Mainz. Not sure what the rush is, though, as Spurs have plenty of attacking players already. Maybe injures? I've always found it strange that transfer sums are always reported first, while they don't necessarily mean much...it's all about the length left on the contract, the age of the player, etc. Would be much better to see salaries first.
Because ultimately those other tangibles are not a negotiation between clubs its between club and player. How BOTH clubs comes of the transaction relatively is a bigger deal then how 1 player and one club is affected at least in the immediate future.
A transfer sum of 1.7m of the bat says alot of things with respect to Spurs and Schalke's positions now rather than what may happen, it may or not may say very much about Holtby except that hes a better player than that.
Sure the other figures are important, no doubt and very often they may end up affecting a trade more than most people realise but in the end info on personal terms will usually be in proportion to how much the transfer cost is.
Also and perhaps most importantly depending on how cynical your view is, reporting stuff like personal terms is
a) harder and takes longer to dig out
b) that sucks for tabloids because if you didnt report it first you didnt report it and everyones racing to get any news they can.
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On January 29 2013 04:42 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 03:55 sharkie wrote:On January 28 2013 20:41 Twisted wrote:
People often misunderstand the goals by Messi because he makes it look so easy. His composure in the first and third goal is absolutely grand. The patience in the first goal is something only he would do and it was a great dummy. Every goalkeeper would assume he would strike it instantly so the goalkeeper made himself as big as he could. Messi realises it instantly and finishes it like that.
Third goal again, great balance, great composure, not a lot of strikers who could have scored it that way. It looks easy but it's hard as fuck. The footwork, the ball control and the ability to turn that fast is what sets him apart here.
Fourth goal he was under pressure by a lot of defenders, but I agree, that was a tap-in. I don't think many people underrate the way Messi scores. His goalscoring is for me the most impressive part for me. Especially lobs Well a common complaint is theres apparantly an absense of "glam" in Messi's goals. Whatever the hell thats supposed to mean, apparantly being automatic anywhere within or around the box and making it look easy isnt as valuable as taking 50 pot shots before one of the volleys stick and look cool when they hit the back of the net.
As you said, I think part of it has to do with how easy he makes it look. Another part is probably down to the fact that they know very little or nothing about football, or they already carry a dislike of Messi due to whatever reasoning (rival player/team/being a hipster...etc). Anyone who knows anything about football appreciates his mastery at goal scoring. The movement, the positioning, the timing, the composure, the shot selection & execution... it's all first class, and it comes so naturally to him.
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Leroy Fer sounds like a replacement for Fellaini if he leaves in the summer, I guess.
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On January 29 2013 14:41 GTR wrote:
Leroy Fer sounds like a replacement for Fellaini if he leaves in the summer, I guess.
or a really nice duo to wreck face if they qualify for cl. :>
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 29 2013 06:20 NuclearJudas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 05:54 Pandemona wrote:On January 29 2013 05:49 NuclearJudas wrote:
1,7m is a crazy good price for Holtby, even on an outgoing contract. Great player. Have had my eyes on him ever since his season at Mainz. Not sure what the rush is, though, as Spurs have plenty of attacking players already. Maybe injures? It's there manager, he is kinda crazy. Sigurdsson never players anymore, and well last season he was the reason Swansea finished so high, had chance to go to Liverpool where he arguably would of played more. Huddlestone doesn't play and is wasting his talent there Parker is overated and adds nothing in the offensive half of the pitch Sandro is even more overated and is just plain bad in that position Livermore is too young and is not getting enough games Townsend doesn't look up for it yet. Then there only decent CM in Dembelele has been injured, and plays when is isn't but with the way they play with only 2 CMs i can't see him playing both Holtby and Dembelele in the same 11, so....not sure AVB is great, imo. I love that he builds for the long haul and the purchases under him have been amazing. Lloris, Dembele, Vertonghen stands out. I never considered Huddlestone, Parker, Sandro or Livermore as offensive players, really. I thought Sandro had a good season until he got hurt. Good tackler to have, but as you say he's not great offensively. Parker is a good midfielder, but clearly getting up there in age. Good passing and vision and good work rate. Livermore and Townsend are still young so they have time to improve, and Livermore is a defensive midfielder anyway. Offensively they have Dembele (although most of what I've seen of Spurs this season - which admittedly isn't much - he's being used more defensively) Lennon, Bale, Dempsey, Bentley (though he never gets played, does he? lol great crosser, though), Sigurdsson, Townsend and Falqué (at loan in Spain) and youngsters Mason and Carroll. And now they have Holtby. Tons of attacking options. I thought they'd be buying defensively as neither Huddlestone or Livermore is good enough, and Parker is rather frail.
Yeah but like i said, where do they all play?
Bale is LW/LM
Lennon is RW/RM
They will start every game they are fit
Dempsey AM off Defoe is the best option imo
That leaves 2 CM spots.
1 for a defensive type. Parker/Huddlestone/Sandro
1 for a passing/flair midfielder. Dembelele/Townsend/Livermore/Holtby
Pretty confident that Holtby is no where near the level of Dembele yet, so that will leave him sat on the bench? That doesn't seem a good decision.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Transfer News
2days Until Transfer Deadline Day
Reports in Germany are suggesting that Southampton are monitoring Brazilian midfielder Roberto Firmino as Hoffenheim could be prepared to sell the player.
Wigan are making a £3m bid for Ecuador winger Jefferson Montero after a loan proposal hit a snag, according to the Daily Mirror
The Sun also writes that Harry Redknapp is trying to get Peter Crouch to play for him for a fifth time
The future of David Beckham remains unclear following his decision to leave Los Angeles Galaxy, but he is set to keep up his fitness by training with Arsenal.
Tottenham are trying to pull off a last-minute swoop for £20m Internacional striker Leandro Damiao,
Daily Mirror reporting that QPR have made a fourth attempt to sign £7million Porto defender Rolando.
Juventus have signed Ecuadorian midfielder Jose Francisco Cevallos on loan from LDU Quito, the Serie A club have confirmed.
Sky Sports sources understand that Juventus have now entered into talks for the Manchester City striker. They join AC Milan in the hunt to lure the Italy international back to Serie A.
Sky Sports understands that Fulham have expressed an interest in taking Borussia Monchengladbach's Igor De Camargo on loan. Everton have also been linked with the Brazilian forward.
Mostly dominated by QPR rumors!!!
Rolando surely can't be going to QPR? Isn't he a half decent European level CB?
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QPR badly needs someone to replace Ryan Nelson since he's going to coach Toronto FC of the MLS in a couple days.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Anton Ferdinand (QPR) Joins Bursapor On Loan
Eintracht Frankfurt have completed the signing of striker Srdjan Lakic from Bundesliga rivals Wolfsburg on loan until 2014
Chelsea have made an approach to Birmingham City for Jack Butland. But player and his advisers want a move where he would get 1st team football.
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It's rumored that the reason Twente were so quick to sell Fer is because he may face a court case for something he did during his Feyenoord period and Twente wanted nothing to do with it. Johan Derksen, a prominent sport dutch journalist, also mentions that it was more than just going through a red light.
Juicy!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That gossip!!! Lol be hilarious if was true haha
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I thought last season Scott Parker was incredible. He was instrumental in Tottenham getting the 3rd spot and holding it over christmas. When he is fit and playing in a team that doesn't require him too much for attack, he is great at harrying the opposition and screwing up their play. He's not as classy as Makelele was but he is a great cover for the defence.
I think AVB's signings have been a mixed bag. I think he signed Holtby so he has proofing against injury and squad depth in the AM role, which a lot of clubs are doing nowadays. I mean Man City and Man U both load up on strikers so they have injury proofing and the ability to rotate when the massive amount of games that English teams have to participate in starts to grind your squad down. A team like Newcastle was absolutely battered by that. And everyone has seen what happened to Arsenal last season with the retarded amount of injuries. Both Chelsea and Tottenham are light on strikers but they both have masses of AM options for this reason.
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On January 29 2013 21:53 Pandemona wrote:
That gossip!!! Lol be hilarious if was true haha
Well he was/is connected with a gang in Rotterdam and one of his friends got shot about half a year ago. So people's imaginations are going wild on this one, would be a big bummer for Everton if their new signing got sentenced to prison.
How would a club deal with that?
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Haha, i know right. They have to by just face value of the club to dis own him, or they will find themselves slated by the press etc.
Joys of being in England with the "lets all jump on the morale high ground" train/wagon whatever the saying is ^_^
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Now a part of me just wants this to be true, just to see what the outcry is going to be like! Haha ^_^.
On January 30 2013 01:54 Ferrose wrote:
I wonder if Everton knew about this. You'd think they'd deliberate every possible signing, especially for one as expensive as this, considering that they are supposedly "cash-strapped."
Well it's all just rumours at the moment. It could all just be that Fer needs to testify in a court case involving some of his (former) friends.
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I wonder if Everton knew about this. You'd think they'd deliberate every possible signing, especially for one as expensive as this, considering that they are supposedly "cash-strapped."
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On January 30 2013 00:48 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 21:53 Pandemona wrote:
That gossip!!! Lol be hilarious if was true haha Well he was/is connected with a gang in Rotterdam and one of his friends got shot about half a year ago. So people's imaginations are going wild on this one, would be a big bummer for Everton if their new signing got sentenced to prison. How would a club deal with that?
They are usually insured against alot of this stuff.
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Seems like Bastos from Lyon to Schalke and Balotelli back to Milan are sealed deals!
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Done Deals!
Schalke have confirmed the signing of Michel Bastos on loan from Lyon until 2014.
Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli has agreed a four-and-a-half year deal with AC Milan.
Rumours
Chelsea and Liverpool look set to suffer setbacks courtesy of Bayern Munich's grand transfer plans
The German powerhouse will have a colossal £238m transfer budget to spend on players in the summer, and newly appointed coach Pep Guardiola has his heart set on Luis Suarez and Radamel Falcao
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Oh my holy jesus god. 238 million transfer budget is IN FUCKING SANE. I wonder how much Suarez would cost, he doesn't have a release clause does he? Could be another chance for Liverpool to make Torres-level money, and then perhaps spend it properly lol!!! I wouldn't settle for anything less than 50 million for Suarez if I were Lpool.
I really hope QPR get a result against Man City. All London rivalries aside I just want great players to be in the prem. QPR has some great great players.
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On January 30 2013 04:37 sc4k wrote:
Oh my holy jesus god. 238 million transfer budget is IN FUCKING SANE.
No, it's a flat out lie, nothing more than that.
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