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Beachac
United States278 Posts
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
On March 03 2010 08:25 Beachac wrote: Thirty-one percent of smokers smoke 1/2 pack per day, 36 percent smoke 1 pack per day, and 17 percent smoke more than 1 pack. NOT EVEN CLOSE to what you said. Shut the fuck up and stop spewing trash. lol who pissed on ur vagina this morning? why get so angry? missed ur nicotine fix today? i guess I was wrong on the average...I guess I'm a real light smoker..since i smoke 2 pack a week.. | ||
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laste
Bulgaria242 Posts
If you really want to quit my suggestion would be to just do it, no patches, no pills, no lowering, no substatutes and no excuses. It helps quitting things that go along with smoking for a little while at the start at least, I stopped drinking coffee, coke, alcohol and such - things I'd normally didn't have without a smoke. It sounds absurd I know but I really think not drinking coffee made it all possible for me personally, the downside tho is quitting coffee - thats a whole other story. basically, combined with the nicotine abstinence, I went through very unpleasant withdrawal phase for the first week - headaches, moodswings, loss of touch with reality and generally feeling like shit all the time, but it gets better after a short while. I guess its just a matter of how addicted you are to it. Now smoking - The first month as you might expect will be the most horrible time of your life, I wont even try to emphasize on this as it is impossible to describe it accurately with mere words. ;p This all may sounds a bit harsh, it was for me at least but it got very bearable over time.They key I thought was to have a solid motive, a purpose, a goal if you will. Simply quitting for nothing just wont do if you're a heavy smoker, you must challenge yourself in order to succeed in your mission. Eating things - I gained, and I'm not even joking, 20 kilograms for the first half of year 1. Its like I discovered food for the first time. I was literally getting hungry while I was still eating. Avoid stuffing yourself or at least make sure you exercise if you do, stick to chewing gum and similar junk if you feel hungry all the time. After you pass 2-3 months it gets very easy. for the first year tho, I was having quite the few very odd little moments. in example the thought of tobacco wouldn't even cross my mind for months, and all of a sudden my insides would start to burn, BURN - similar to the way they did at the very beginning. these little fits would last maybe 5 minutes or 5 hours, it helps to think what you went through initially when you first started quitting to get passed them, you wouldn't want to go through that again right. That might have been just me though, ha. Once you get passed the first year, everythings peachy afterwerds. You might get the initial urge to have just-one-smoke-again but thats just the stupid in you talking. I guess its all about mental discipline/fortitude once you're at this stage. Personally I now feel that if I have one smoke I'll no doubt start again, and I've no idea how easy it is to quit for the 2nd time but I really rllllyy don't want to find out  I was planning to throw in a starcraft micro/macro reference somewhere in there but I just hit preview and this has become a bit long so I guess I'll leave that to your imagination. Good luck to everyone. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 02 2010 06:49 StarBrift wrote: You'd have to be extremely fat for it to be as harmful as smoking cigarettes. Sure severly obese people have bodies that are severely damaged. One of my teachers who has been practising medicine for 20+ years told me that she once examined a 26 year old female who was both obese and a smoker and her liver was about as healthy as an 80 year olds. The thing is that while obesity is harmful it doesn't affect others at all. Second hand smoking is a huge health risk and no smoker can deny that. If someone feels it's ok to poison their children or other people simply because they are uneducated or just don't care about it then that makes them a huge douchebag. Smokers are not victims. You put yourself in this addiction and if you don't stop acting like a victim of something you can't control then you will never stop smoking. A huge healthrisk? Sure banning smoking in restaurants has some merit I guess (even though you yourself aren't forced to go into the same restaurant as a smoker... it is your choice after all) if you feel the same way about people who smoke in open air...well then I would be forced to laugh at you. The amount of carcinogens you get from person that smokes right NEXT to you out in the open is so minuscule it shouldn't even be mentioned. If they are on the other side of the street...yea nothing. Obesity affects others a whole hell of a lot. It gives government the ability to try to regulate what I eat because some other people decided hey couldn't contain themselves, obesity puts a big drain on health care because fat people are more prone to diabetes and a whole host of other things. I quit smoking 2 years ago because I simply wanted to. I was chill with it, I always smoked away from people that didn't like it and never in a closed space but I shit you not I still routinely had people come up to ME into MY space that I CREATED to get away from "innocents" and judge me. Do you realize how aggravating that is? People like that tempt me to blow smoke right into their face. In the end if I had to choose between sitting next to a stuck up asshole, a smoker, or a crying baby on a plane I'd pick the smoker every time. Also if you want to quite... go cold turkey. It really is the best way. | ||
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Deleted User 38166
109 Posts
On March 03 2010 04:15 The6357 wrote: how does average smoker pay 250k in lifetime? if you smoke 2 pack a week..it would be$40 a month...about $480 a year...if you smoke for 100 years..you'd be spending only 48k...don't be ridiculous... The average smoker does not smoke 2 packs a week. They smoke a pack a day to 2 packs a day, we're talking people who have been smoking for a while, not someone who just started a year ago. A pack a day ($8) times 7 days in a week ($56) times 52 weeks a year ($2912) times 50 years ($145,600). 2 packs a day for 50 years = ($291,200) I'm not exaggerating. On March 03 2010 07:52 Beachac wrote: I actually enjoy the occasional cigarette. Since the first time I smoked, i've never been addicted, but i'll smoke maybe 3-4 cigarettes a week when someone offers me one. It feels great when you go days/weeks without a cigarette without fiending and coming back to a really nice buzz. I think if you enjoy smoking and can control your situation, have an occasional smoke. It might add more to your life than it takes away. If you smoke, you are addicted. You are either a smoker or a non-smoker. There is NO MEDIUM! People do not understand this. You are not a casual smoker, you aren't an occasional smoker, you are a smoker if you smoke. And if what you said was true, everyone in the world would smoke and it would be encouraged. It's a poison, not a life enhancer. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On March 03 2010 14:29 Sagittarius wrote: The average smoker does not smoke 2 packs a week. They smoke a pack a day to 2 packs a day, we're talking people who have been smoking for a while, not someone who just started a year ago. A pack a day ($8) times 7 days in a week ($56) times 52 weeks a year ($2912) times 50 years ($145,600). 2 packs a day for 50 years = ($291,200) I'm not exaggerating. If you smoke, you are addicted. You are either a smoker or a non-smoker. There is NO MEDIUM! People do not understand this. You are not a casual smoker, you aren't an occasional smoker, you are a smoker if you smoke. And if what you said was true, everyone in the world would smoke and it would be encouraged. It's a poison, not a life enhancer. All you said its absolute bullshit, the average smoker does NOT smoke 2 packs a day that is ridiculous and a lie, next time at least have the decency to read the same page you are posting on where the % of how much smokers smoke have already been posted -_- If you smoke you are not addicted, that is like saying that if you drink you are addicted see how retarded it is? Also its not a poison, it can be poisonous as pretty much everything in this life when its done in excess. I smoke when i go out with my friends (drink, party etc) and absolutely love it, a "life enhacer" as u called it, while im at home i never smoke because i am aware that its an extremely addictive substance that must be kept under control and not allow yourself to smoke more than you should. | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
The best way to change ANY behavior is to gradually do it, that will the anxiety, the cravings and the body need for nicottine will be way lower. Simply put yourself unbreakable rules, like if you smoke a pack, smoke 15 cigarretes a day for 1 month and never break the rule, (except maybe in especial occasions like parties etc). Then you lower the dose the next month to 10 the next month and so on until you totally quit or reach a point where you are satisfied with your smoking volume, just make sure you never under any circumstance brake the max # of cigarettes a day because if u break it once, u will break it again and again. | ||
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Deleted User 38166
109 Posts
On March 03 2010 19:23 baal wrote: All you said its absolute bullshit, the average smoker does NOT smoke 2 packs a day that is ridiculous and a lie, next time at least have the decency to read the same page you are posting on where the % of how much smokers smoke have already been posted -_- If you smoke you are not addicted, that is like saying that if you drink you are addicted see how retarded it is? Also its not a poison, it can be poisonous as pretty much everything in this life when its done in excess. I smoke when i go out with my friends (drink, party etc) and absolutely love it, a "life enhacer" as u called it, while im at home i never smoke because i am aware that its an extremely addictive substance that must be kept under control and not allow yourself to smoke more than you should. I said the average smoker smokes 1 PACK TO 2 PACKS A DAY. Thirty-one percent of smokers smoke 1/2 pack per day, 36 percent smoke 1 pack per day, and 17 percent smoke more than 1 pack. (31 + 36 + 17 = 84) Who ever got these stats please check your sources and math. With that problem aside, would you not say that over 50% (36% + 17% = 53%) would account for the average? There's no nicotine in alcohol is there? There's nicotine in cigarettes right? Its not like cigarettes are not addicting THEY ARE! There is no physical addiction to alcohol, its all in your head if you are an alcoholic. There IS a physical addiction to cigarettes. A friend of mine only smoked on weekends for a couple years. She died of lung cancer. So are you telling me 2 years is EXCESSIVE SMOKING? It is the BIGGEST cause of preventable death IN THE WORLD! Nothing kills more people than smoking. Everything you say is false positives and lies you have been spoon fed since you were a child. This is a quit smoking thread, not a "smoking is the best thing in life EVER" thread because smoking is definitely NOT good in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! On March 03 2010 19:28 baal wrote: About quitting simply stopping is logically not the best way, it obviously works for some people just like a diet but it doesnt mean that is the optimal way. The best way to change ANY behavior is to gradually do it, that will the anxiety, the cravings and the body need for nicottine will be way lower. Simply put yourself unbreakable rules, like if you smoke a pack, smoke 15 cigarretes a day for 1 month and never break the rule, (except maybe in especial occasions like parties etc). Then you lower the dose the next month to 10 the next month and so on until you totally quit or reach a point where you are satisfied with your smoking volume, just make sure you never under any circumstance brake the max # of cigarettes a day because if u break it once, u will break it again and again. Cutting down is THE WORST way to quit. This is because you are using will power to hold off from smoking until you reach that point where you are allowing you to light up. So you are miserable and agitated while you "cannot smoke". Cold turkey is the only way to go if you are serious about quitting. Nicotine has a 20 minute half life, which means 20 minutes after you light up your cigarette you have half as much nicotine in your system. After 3 days nicotine is completely out of your system. After you sleep a good 8 hours there is hardly any nicotine in your system, once you light up its back to the full amount. baal, if you don't want to quit smoking that is your business, if you enjoy poisoning yourself at parties that's your business, if you think that you can never get cancer because you only smoke at parties you are wrong, but don't post in this thread as it is for people who want to quit smoking, not for people like you. | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
On February 28 2010 17:05 Carnac wrote: I'm so happy I never picked up smoking | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
On March 03 2010 14:29 Sagittarius wrote: The average smoker does not smoke 2 packs a week. They smoke a pack a day to 2 packs a day, we're talking people who have been smoking for a while, not someone who just started a year ago. A pack a day ($8) times 7 days in a week ($56) times 52 weeks a year ($2912) times 50 years ($145,600). 2 packs a day for 50 years = ($291,200) I'm not exaggerating. If you smoke, you are addicted. You are either a smoker or a non-smoker. There is NO MEDIUM! People do not understand this. You are not a casual smoker, you aren't an occasional smoker, you are a smoker if you smoke. And if what you said was true, everyone in the world would smoke and it would be encouraged. It's a poison, not a life enhancer. you have to understand in most cases cigs do not cost $8...in parts of the world where the most heavy smokers reside, the cigs cost less than $2...in korea it only cost 2500 won which is about $2 and in china i heard cigs are alot cheaper...so it does not cost over 100k a life time | ||
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
Day 2: Success Day 3: Success Day 4: It is now 12:34pm in the afternoon on day 4. I am having cravings right now. I must hold out for today. Just one day longer. And then hold out for just tomorrow. And then the day after. If I can't quit, then I am a hypocrite. I must succeed. As Gandhi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." | ||
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Deleted User 38166
109 Posts
On March 04 2010 05:36 GrayArea wrote: Day 1: Success Day 2: Success Day 3: Success Day 4: It is now 12:34pm in the afternoon on day 4. I am having cravings right now. I must hold out for today. Just one day longer. And then hold out for just tomorrow. And then the day after. If I can't quit, then I am a hypocrite. I must succeed. As Gandhi said, "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." You can do it! Just keep telling yourself that you are a non-smoker now. Every time you think "I want a cigarette" tell yourself "I don't need to smoke because I'm a non-smoker now!" Keep up the awesome progress. On March 04 2010 05:19 The6357 wrote: you have to understand in most cases cigs do not cost $8...in parts of the world where the most heavy smokers reside, the cigs cost less than $2...in korea it only cost 2500 won which is about $2 and in china i heard cigs are alot cheaper...so it does not cost over 100k a life time Fair enough, I'm just going on the prices where I live and what I've read. Still, smoking costs a fortune, no one can deny that. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 04 2010 04:21 Sagittarius wrote: I said the average smoker smokes 1 PACK TO 2 PACKS A DAY. Thirty-one percent of smokers smoke 1/2 pack per day, 36 percent smoke 1 pack per day, and 17 percent smoke more than 1 pack. (31 + 36 + 17 = 84) Who ever got these stats please check your sources and math. With that problem aside, would you not say that over 50% (36% + 17% = 53%) would account for the average? There's no nicotine in alcohol is there? There's nicotine in cigarettes right? Its not like cigarettes are not addicting THEY ARE! There is no physical addiction to alcohol, its all in your head if you are an alcoholic. There IS a physical addiction to cigarettes. A friend of mine only smoked on weekends for a couple years. She died of lung cancer. So are you telling me 2 years is EXCESSIVE SMOKING? It is the BIGGEST cause of preventable death IN THE WORLD! Nothing kills more people than smoking. Everything you say is false positives and lies you have been spoon fed since you were a child. This is a quit smoking thread, not a "smoking is the best thing in life EVER" thread because smoking is definitely NOT good in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! Let's start at the beginning with your comment about how this is no happy medium. I smoked 2-3 cigarettes a week for 4 years. There were plenty of times where I had a craving for an additional one but I told myself CONSISTENTLY that I would never ever become someone who smoked 5 packs a day. I never wanted to be controlled by a cigarette. When I quit... I had absolutely no issue doing so. So yes, there is damn well a medium there. Now to your math. 53% of a group is not a proper average. The more correct statement is that the average smoker smokes less than 1 pack a day. Why is this? Very very very very few smokers smoke more than 2 packs a day. I'd say that percentage is probably in the sub 5% range as there just aren't enough hours in the day. Note that your statistics leave in there 16% (which nearly equals the 1+ pack% on it's own....) that don't even smoke 1/2 a pack a day. Someone who smokes a 1/4th of a pack a day brings down someone who smokes FOUR packs a day down to an average of 1. Understand how averages work before you make outrageous claims. That's how statistics are going to work in a medium such as this. As to not being physically addicted to alcohol.... you are one clueless mother fucker. Yes you can be physically ADDICTED to alcohol. Alcohol stimulates a very certain receptor and whenever ANY substance stimulates a receptor of any kind your body will grow accustomed to having that extra stimulation. That brings forth physical addiction. I have no freaking idea where you learned that alcohol wasn't physically addicting but you learned wrong...hell alcohol withdrawal is one of the most dangerous withdrawals you can have as it is one of the very few that is directly fatal in a decent amount of cases. I'm not saying nicotine isn't addicting...because it is. However, people really underestimate just how bad alcohol can be. As for your friend who sadly died of lung cancer..... my Grandmother died of lung cancer and she hadn't smoked a day in her life. My dad averages one beer a year and has never smoked EVER and he now has kidney and liver problems. Nothing in this world says that your friend wouldn't have gotten lung cancer whether or not she smoked. It increases the chances sure (and in her case not that much because she barely freaking smoked) but it is not a sure thing. Also...Heart Disease would like a word with you about your claim that nothing kills more than smoking. Seems you've been fear mongered from my end. Cigarettes are not healthy and I will never claim that they are....but they sure as hell aren't the demon seed people like you claim it is. | ||
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sMi.MeOw
New Zealand160 Posts
in my case it was because of WoW...I mean sitting in front of the comp on vent waiting for 25-40 ppl to sign on and start progressive raiding is well...extremely boring...eventually I started to smoke to pass time...and I even started to time my ciggies like...this boss'll take me 2 ciggs to do it etc... Really retarded...but meh...I'm blonde... | ||
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Deleted User 38166
109 Posts
On March 04 2010 07:10 Jayme wrote: Let's start at the beginning with your comment about how this is no happy medium. I smoked 2-3 cigarettes a week for 4 years. There were plenty of times where I had a craving for an additional one but I told myself CONSISTENTLY that I would never ever become someone who smoked 5 packs a day. I never wanted to be controlled by a cigarette. When I quit... I had absolutely no issue doing so. So yes, there is damn well a medium there. Now to your math. 53% of a group is not a proper average. The more correct statement is that the average smoker smokes less than 1 pack a day. Why is this? Very very very very few smokers smoke more than 2 packs a day. I'd say that percentage is probably in the sub 5% range as there just aren't enough hours in the day. Note that your statistics leave in there 16% (which nearly equals the 1+ pack% on it's own....) that don't even smoke 1/2 a pack a day. Someone who smokes a 1/4th of a pack a day brings down someone who smokes FOUR packs a day down to an average of 1. Understand how averages work before you make outrageous claims. That's how statistics are going to work in a medium such as this. As to not being physically addicted to alcohol.... you are one clueless mother fucker. Yes you can be physically ADDICTED to alcohol. Alcohol stimulates a very certain receptor and whenever ANY substance stimulates a receptor of any kind your body will grow accustomed to having that extra stimulation. That brings forth physical addiction. I have no freaking idea where you learned that alcohol wasn't physically addicting but you learned wrong...hell alcohol withdrawal is one of the most dangerous withdrawals you can have as it is one of the very few that is directly fatal in a decent amount of cases. I'm not saying nicotine isn't addicting...because it is. However, people really underestimate just how bad alcohol can be. As for your friend who sadly died of lung cancer..... my Grandmother died of lung cancer and she hadn't smoked a day in her life. My dad averages one beer a year and has never smoked EVER and he now has kidney and liver problems. Nothing in this world says that your friend wouldn't have gotten lung cancer whether or not she smoked. It increases the chances sure (and in her case not that much because she barely freaking smoked) but it is not a sure thing. Also...Heart Disease would like a word with you about your claim that nothing kills more than smoking. Seems you've been fear mongered from my end. Cigarettes are not healthy and I will never claim that they are....but they sure as hell aren't the demon seed people like you claim it is. I do not understand what your problem is, are you hell bent on proving me wrong? What is your problem with me? I didn't do anything, and you just FUCKING HATE ME for some fucking reason. It's like you want people to smoke, why the fuck do you want that? All I want people to do IF THE FUCKING WANT TO, is to quit. And you want to give them reasons to keep smoking. Why the fuck are you doing that? I only go by what I read in Allen Carr's book. I honestly believe that most of what he said was true. And even if he lied to me about everything, at least he got me off nicotine and kept me off. Although I do not believe he lied to me about everything to get me to quit, otherwise someone would have proven him wrong already. I am 100% sure, that even you, can agree on 3 things: 1. Cigarette smoking is the most important preventable cause of premature death in the world. 2. Smoking costs a lot of money, all for nothing. You don't get anything out of the thousands of dollars you waste. (I redid the calculations for the cost of smoking (for a 1/2 a pack a day person). $6 a pack (of 20 cigarettes), 10 cigarettes a day, 1 year, equals $1100 a year. That's still $1100 you could have spend on something else.) 3. Nothing good comes from smoking. NOTHING! | ||
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Viledica
Canada361 Posts
All three of those facts he stated at the end of his post seem 100% logical even to me. I don't smoke, never have, and never will, but this is just the outsider looking in opinion. Sure, certain individuals like Jayme can have strong wills and mental awareness of decisions they are making but not everyone can be in the same boat unfortunately. From what I've read in this thread, Sagittarius makes a lot of good points that will overall blanket a majority of smokers, and once they can realize what he has realized to quit smoking; they may follow suit. There shouldn't be any argument (especially) in a thread like this where it's supposed to be people helping people. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
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GrayArea
United States872 Posts
On March 05 2010 04:36 Valentine wrote: I smoke like half a pack/week lol. I only break out a cig when I smoke weed, just for the complimentary buzz, and usually only 1/2 or 1/3 each time. I don't really see that as much of a problem for me o___o;; Well it's not a problem for you now, but down the line, later on in life, when you start having trouble breathing or develop respiratory diseases, you will regret it. That's why people make the effort to quit ASAP, because they don't want to suffer from the negative effects (which are extremely severe if you don't know that already). btw, my update: Day 1, 2, 3 were success. Day 4 I had an extremely, extremely hard time resisting. I was bored and didn't keep myself preoccupied and nearly succumbed but I distracted myself by going to play starcraft. So I held off day 4, but today is Day 5 and I don't want to fail. If I can just hold out for today, maybe I can hold out for tomorrow and the day after and then for the rest of my life. Fighting. | ||
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wishbones
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