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hellraiser1110
Profile Joined November 2010
Croatia70 Posts
December 18 2011 17:27 GMT
#81
The only guy I would take coaching from is CombatEX.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 18 2011 18:08 GMT
#82
On December 19 2011 01:48 darkscream wrote:
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On December 16 2011 09:22 Torte de Lini wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:18 theblueassasin wrote:
who are these players? their prices seem kinda steep for nobodies : / .

Manner up, the topic is about his new site and coaching, not the prices of specific coaches you don't recognize.


recognition of coaches is one of the main reasons people pay what they pay

"Standard" pricing for someone popular is not the standard for someone nobody knows


I have no idea whether these are actually expensive or not, but just saying, most people pay the handsome prices to be coached by someone e-famous.


Except people do recognize these people.
Obviously.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
9sDreAm
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom12 Posts
December 18 2011 19:10 GMT
#83
how can i become the coach ?
dignitas.DreAm
FatalBlur
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:59:43
December 18 2011 22:53 GMT
#84
On December 17 2011 22:16 Larryx wrote:
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On December 16 2011 11:51 Sejanus wrote:
Day9 is still free and still more than good enough for most of players.


belive me, when u got hired coach just to solve your problems it helps alot than watching pro play even with d9 commentary.


It may help a little, but, see most things I've ever heard from a coach is easily found in at least one of day9's dailies. It falls onto you though, to figure out what you're doing wrong, which isn't that hard as long as you watch your replays and have a little bit of insight.

Also, as others have mentioned above, but never articulated it correctly, but it is a lot of money for relatively "unknown" players for the most part(outside of EU), yes there are some known players, but, I also feel that many people don't understand that there is a difference between a good player and a good coach, a lesser player could possibly coach better than someone like say...Nestea(just an example) or another big name. So, I guess reviews may help this, but I think many people will flock to the players with better results/ranks versus the ones with better reviews.

A possible way to change this could be that there is a required review(a "like or dislike" system) for every student, I don't know what the punishment could be if someone doesn't review it, but that could really show whos the better coach compared to whos the better player.

Anyways, I went off on a tangent there, but good luck with the site
Meldon
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 18:10:46
December 19 2011 16:23 GMT
#85
Greekarmy is like that tough but wise Basketball coach that teaches you everything u need to know about life through the game ...and without any sexual abuse!

Yashu Masha
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 19 2011 19:54 GMT
#86
I just went to the site and holy shit, almost had a seizure. Whoever your designer was, he needs to be fired on the spot for picking those colors.

Also, what the hell is with the Book Now button? Is it meant to be viewed in 3d?

The site is literally hurting my eyes. Actual physical pain and irritation. I wish you all the best of luck in this endeavor, but keep in mind, it's very important what people see on the first page view.

Again, not trying to be a dick, but that design could use some work. As of right now, it doesn't look professional at all, which it should be if you want people's hard earned money.
Greekarmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece66 Posts
December 19 2011 20:17 GMT
#87
On December 20 2011 04:54 Sadistx wrote:
I just went to the site and holy shit, almost had a seizure. Whoever your designer was, he needs to be fired on the spot for picking those colors.

Also, what the hell is with the Book Now button? Is it meant to be viewed in 3d?

The site is literally hurting my eyes. Actual physical pain and irritation. I wish you all the best of luck in this endeavor, but keep in mind, it's very important what people see on the first page view.

Again, not trying to be a dick, but that design could use some work. As of right now, it doesn't look professional at all, which it should be if you want people's hard earned money.


Hehe! Yes, the picture in the news and the book now buttons can be viewed in 3d! That's why your eyes are hurting
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
December 20 2011 01:59 GMT
#88
OMG Satiini are one of the coaches, that's sick!
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
nFbGuardiaN
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1 Post
December 21 2011 08:33 GMT
#89
Some people on this forum are so bad mannered. This guy worked his ass off for half a year and he actively helps to improve the Starcraft 2 community. You've just got to be socially awkward to be bitching about the design colors, the fame-o-meter of the coaches and the lack of <insert name> as a coach. Wow, team liquid community...

Personally, I think it's great! Keep up the good work.
MaydorK
Profile Joined September 2011
Venezuela23 Posts
December 21 2011 18:34 GMT
#90
Really Nice!
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
December 21 2011 18:57 GMT
#91
On December 16 2011 09:32 Butigroove wrote:
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On December 16 2011 09:18 theblueassasin wrote:
who are these players? their prices seem kinda steep for nobodies : / .

Welcome to tl!

There is a helpful search bar at the top right of the page. If you type say... 'Naugrim' into it and hit Enter, you can find his progamer database page, tournament results, news about him, and more. Instead of say... flaming their coaching prices and claiming ignorance.


Great to see such a well put together site. I'm sure more pros will be interested once they've seen what looks like to me is great functionality.

Looks like you need some broootoss


The fact that their names exist in the TL database means jack-squat. I'm not saying they suck. They're obviously a lot better than me. But $25/hour is an awful lot for someone who's really not that good.
Barty
Profile Joined December 2010
France64 Posts
December 22 2011 06:50 GMT
#92
"Really not that good" Any player between bronze and mid-masters won't have more benefits from having an overpriced coaching hour with an international superstar than with a EU grandmaster player.. The level of the coaches is already very high, high enough for a student to be able to fulfill greatly his coaching hour with sufficient information
In God We Trush
FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
December 22 2011 17:04 GMT
#93
On December 22 2011 15:50 Barty wrote:
"Really not that good" Any player between bronze and mid-masters won't have more benefits from having an overpriced coaching hour with an international superstar than with a EU grandmaster player.. The level of the coaches is already very high, high enough for a student to be able to fulfill greatly his coaching hour with sufficient information


I have to agree with this post. I don't really understand all the whining. It's not like you are forced to take coaching from anyone, also the booking system is pretty tight on Finegamers.com
yummy tomatoes
ohokurwrong
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Brazil283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 20:31:49
December 22 2011 20:20 GMT
#94
On December 22 2011 03:57 Mr Showtime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 09:32 Butigroove wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:18 theblueassasin wrote:
who are these players? their prices seem kinda steep for nobodies : / .

Welcome to tl!

There is a helpful search bar at the top right of the page. If you type say... 'Naugrim' into it and hit Enter, you can find his progamer database page, tournament results, news about him, and more. Instead of say... flaming their coaching prices and claiming ignorance.


Great to see such a well put together site. I'm sure more pros will be interested once they've seen what looks like to me is great functionality.

Looks like you need some broootoss


The fact that their names exist in the TL database means jack-squat. I'm not saying they suck. They're obviously a lot better than me. But $25/hour is an awful lot for someone who's really not that good.


the e-famous coaches are actually not very good coaches by just title alone. not to say the current lineup is good or bad just saying. if you knew anything about anything you would agree the coaching that has been broadcasted by these e-famous ppl has been very very poor

basically dont be so fast to write off someone who isnt e-famous because the ability to understand metagame and articulate said gameplay and learning is a skill ANYONE can have. most pros dont change metagame or devise the best strats but take the best strats and do them the best.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
December 22 2011 22:54 GMT
#95
On December 23 2011 05:20 ohokurwrong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2011 03:57 Mr Showtime wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:32 Butigroove wrote:
On December 16 2011 09:18 theblueassasin wrote:
who are these players? their prices seem kinda steep for nobodies : / .

Welcome to tl!

There is a helpful search bar at the top right of the page. If you type say... 'Naugrim' into it and hit Enter, you can find his progamer database page, tournament results, news about him, and more. Instead of say... flaming their coaching prices and claiming ignorance.


Great to see such a well put together site. I'm sure more pros will be interested once they've seen what looks like to me is great functionality.

Looks like you need some broootoss


The fact that their names exist in the TL database means jack-squat. I'm not saying they suck. They're obviously a lot better than me. But $25/hour is an awful lot for someone who's really not that good.


the e-famous coaches are actually not very good coaches by just title alone. not to say the current lineup is good or bad just saying. if you knew anything about anything you would agree the coaching that has been broadcasted by these e-famous ppl has been very very poor

basically dont be so fast to write off someone who isnt e-famous because the ability to understand metagame and articulate said gameplay and learning is a skill ANYONE can have. most pros dont change metagame or devise the best strats but take the best strats and do them the best.


I really should have phrased that better. I'm sure they're great players; while certainly not the best. I don't think the fees are unjustified in the sense that they aren't good enough to charge that much. But rather, most people will not care to spend that money on unknowns, when there are very well known and equally/more talented players that charge similar fees.
FreshVegetables
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Finland513 Posts
December 23 2011 13:59 GMT
#96
Yes and also, you have to keep in mind that someone who isn't known among the american players, might be known among the european players. For example while many people in US might've heard about Satiini, they might not recognize him as such a strong player many european do.

I mean just take a look at this http://gosucoaching.com/users/lzgamer, why the hell would anyone pay LzGameR this amount of money? or Machine, InKa, StrifeCro for that matter. Makes many of the unknown players on this site feel affordable as they might even be better players. I jus't dont see how the prizes on gosucoaching are justfied, feels like a rip off.

Just my 2 cents
yummy tomatoes
.vid
Profile Joined July 2011
Croatia227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-24 19:42:01
December 24 2011 19:31 GMT
#97
nice to see people shittin on ex-excello and ex-tot stars :> gg really smart. hope you get turned down for the lesson.

edit: on the other hand, the site is horribly designed, you should really improve on the readability part at least
eujjjjj
Partywave
Profile Joined March 2011
United States88 Posts
December 27 2011 03:54 GMT
#98
I must say some of the grammar on your website needs work, it looks unprofessional.

Other than that, good luck with your idea and business
I work as a part time janitor at an ivy league school. Sometimes Ill see a half written equation and just solve it.
SpinmovE
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada119 Posts
December 28 2011 23:32 GMT
#99
On December 21 2011 17:33 nFbGuardiaN wrote:
Some people on this forum are so bad mannered. This guy worked his ass off for half a year and he actively helps to improve the Starcraft 2 community. You've just got to be socially awkward to be bitching about the design colors, the fame-o-meter of the coaches and the lack of <insert name> as a coach. Wow, team liquid community...

Personally, I think it's great! Keep up the good work.


Most people make up their mind about staying on a website within the first five seconds of use. If a website is hard on the eyes, such as this site is, it's highly unlikley they will stay on the page long enough for the information in it to matter.

People are simply trying to give the owner advice to improve his business. It isn't being bad mannered at all, in fact it is quite the opposite, people are attempt to give him constructive criticism.

The intense reg/green/blue bars at the top and bottom should go, they look incredibly out of place and hurt the eyes. All of the text that has a green/red shadowing is really hard to look at. Very bright, harsh colours are off putting as text, the neon green text in the "Latest Replays" bar is exceptionally hard to read. This stuff is going to turn away a lot of people that open your site from a search engine query, look at it for two second, and decide to skip along to the next link.

And I'm not too sure what the background imagine is but it's a little gross. It reminds me of a fly. Again I don't see how that fits the theme of the website at all.

The price of the coaches doesn't seem bad to me at all, a lot cheaper then most other coaching website's I've looked at for the majority of your coaches. The content of your website seems to be really good, the presentation on the other hand, is severely lacking.
ManTrain
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-29 12:20:46
December 29 2011 12:20 GMT
#100
On December 16 2011 09:18 theblueassasin wrote:
who are these players? their prices seem kinda steep for nobodies : / .


Wtf, Naugrim, Satinii and DeathAngel is nobodies? What world am i in?
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