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Realistically 8 hours 5 day a week is plenty to coach a team. You don't actually need to watch a lot in real time and 80% of LoL games are not important for a coach to go through.
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On September 15 2015 05:16 mordek wrote:
Hmm Bernie isn't on until Friday night.
For those looking for context - Late Show with Colbert
I'm looking forward to this episode.
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On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position?  It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME  And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while.
First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016.
Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary.
Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money?
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There's free (though not necessarily legal) copies of textbooks floating around online. You can also buy used from other students, share a book or buy international/ x-1 editions for a lot cheaper.
Far as compensation goes, I think you'd have to look at the total value of compensation (so food plus housing) in addition to salary. If you take than divide that by however many hours, average hourly compensation likely far exceeds the minimum wage. California CoL being what it is, I wouldn't be surprised if the extra $9/hr is just a cherry on top. Those gamer digs are pretty nice.
I'm guessing they use 40 hours to do the calculation for $9/hr. In reality, I think a lot of salaried jobs tend to pay "less" than actual. My salary is pretty good, but I work often work 60 hours/ wk which reduces my hourly by 50% of what it looks like.
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Something a little different for Music Monday, alt/indie/spoken word? Love these guys.
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The lyrics are super good in all their stuff. I mean when you reference John Donne your a boss.
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On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position? It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money?
"Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract.
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On September 15 2015 05:29 ticklishmusic wrote:
There's free (though not necessarily legal) copies of textbooks floating around online. You can also buy used from other students, share a book or buy international/ x-1 editions for a lot cheaper.
Far as compensation goes, I think you'd have to look at the total value of compensation (so food plus housing) in addition to salary. If you take than divide that by however many hours, average hourly compensation likely far exceeds the minimum wage. I'm guessing they use 40 hours to do the calculation for $9/hr. In reality, I think a lot of salaried jobs tend to pay "less" than actual. My salary is pretty good, but I work often work 60 hours/ wk which reduces my hourly by 50% of what it looks like.
I do not think food/housing counts as wage since it's not directly of monetary value, but I am not a lawyer so I am not 100% certain. In either case since "wage" refers to monetary compensation in English I do not believe you are right.
For salaried jobs, often the contract set a regular work period but also says you may be asked SOMETIMES to work more than the allotted hours without overpay. But if you are constantly being overworked it's fairly clear that your contract is being violated.
This is even more problematic when the issue has the do with minimum wage, which I believe is not just a tort issue.
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On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position? It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract.
I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery.
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Music Monday for me, cuz it randomly showed up in my Youtube recommended thing, and fuck it takes me back.
Like all the way back to grade 9 *2000 ish*
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Or this, jeez, full nostalgia mode right now lol.
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On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position? It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery.
That's kind of how investment banking works at the entry-level though. The hourly pay is still good, but nowhere near as good as it looks.
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On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position? It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery.
That's how most salaried central london office jobs work :p
They sneak in the waiver into your contract so you automatically waive your right to a legal maximum hours by taking the job.
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Man its so sad hearing people you know from high school getting into tragic accidents and passing away. RIP
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Time to stick it to the man and give the DX chop to corporate America!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure my salaried contract doesn't say "sometimes" for when they can ask for extra hours.
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Realistically if your having a job with a shit ton of OT then your either making bank or your going to make bank in the future. E-sports coach isn't dead end but it definitely not a high prospect job.
On September 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:
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It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week.
Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery. That's how most salaried central london office jobs work :p They sneak in the waiver into your contract so you automatically waive your right to a legal maximum hours by taking the job.
You have to be pretty dumb to not read your contract properly.
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I watched the Book of Mormon recently, and it was fucking hilarious. Basically that's all the context I got for this MM song
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On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 03:57 ComaDose wrote:so who is going to apply for the new head coach position? It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week. Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery.
You'll never see it in writing, but practically speaking it happens, a lot.
Unrealistic deadlines are one of the most common causes. Whether it was impossible from the getgo or unforeseen issues made it so later on, if you're only working 40 hours on the task you're going to rub management the wrong way. Your dedication and work ethic are going to be questioned. It doesn't matter where the responsibility arguably should lie, you were the one getting it done and you didn't give your 110% to do so. Expect bad performance reviews, no promotions/raises, and/or being first on the chopping block if layoffs happen.
Unrealistic job expectations are another. Sometimes a job description can't be done in 40 hour weeks, but nobody at the company has any clue or will believe that's the case because Bob who had the job before did it just fine (nevermind that Bob worked 80 hours a week). Good luck meeting or changing expectations.
Basically humans are awful at estimating these sorts of supremely complicated things and is blissfully unaware of it at the same time. It's another aspect of the human condition you'll inevitably encounter if you ever work in corporate America.
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On September 15 2015 05:57 MooMooMugi wrote:
Man its so sad hearing people you know from high school getting into tragic accidents and passing away. RIP
I know exactly how you feel. I posted in Letting Off Steam a couple days ago. Sorry for your loss man.
On September 15 2015 06:17 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:
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It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week.
Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery. You'll never see it in writing, but practically speaking it happens, a lot. Unrealistic deadlines are one of the most common causes. Whether it was impossible from the getgo or unforeseen issues made it so later on, if you're only working 40 hours on the task you're going to rub management the wrong way. Your dedication and work ethic are going to be questioned. It doesn't matter where the responsibility arguably should lie, you were the one getting it done and you didn't give your 110% to do so. Expect bad performance reviews, no promotions/raises, and/or being first on the chopping block if layoffs happen. Unrealistic job expectations are another. Sometimes a job description can't be done in 40 hour weeks, but nobody at the company has any clue or will believe that's the case because Bob who had the job before did it just fine (nevermind that Bob worked 80 hours a week). Good luck meeting or changing expectations. Basically humans are awful at estimating these sorts of supremely complicated things and is blissfully unaware of it at the same time. It's another aspect of the human condition you'll inevitably encounter if you ever work in corporate America.
Adding on, "skilled jobs" are largely immune to the minimum wage/ overtime rules. You tend to work on a project-by-project basis rather than being a warm body filling a function, so your productivity is measured in a way that doesn't lend itself well to hourly wage.
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On September 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:27 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 05:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 15 2015 05:06 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:56 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:43 Sufficiency wrote:On September 15 2015 04:20 mordek wrote:On September 15 2015 04:11 Sufficiency wrote:
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It's 15 dollars an hour assuming you work 40 hr a week.
Since NA teams claim to scrim 12 hours a day every day, and since coaches do more than just scrims (look at the list of duties), it is easy to see this job is below minimum wage in California ($9/hr). Housing, meals and benefits. Also the intangible EFAME And if it's your passion work isn't really work etc etc Housing/food is not proper compensation. It's still illegal. It's the same as the volunteer analyst. What do you mean by illegal? I haven't heard anything along those lines before. My biggest concern here is that the amount of compensation (or in the case of the analyst, no compensation at all) is a violation of California minimum wage law. I'll admit I'm not entirely sure how it works, but surely housing/food would factor into benefits/compensation above the perceived "$9/hr"? edit - cuz if I didn't have to pay for rent or food in Cali + getting to watch/coach video games all day... idk, that would probably be pretty fun for a while. First of all it seems that California min wage will be 10 dollars in 2016. Now I don't think housing/etc count toward your wage since those are benefit - at least based on my understanding. So technically the coach cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours a week based on that salary. Anyway, I think my biggest question is why advertise the salary when it's really not a lot of money? "Cannot be reasonably allowed to work more than 60 hours" - based on what? Legitimate question, cuz as far as I know, if you're on salary and you've signed a contract, depending on what's in the contract, they could ask you to work however long they want. And if it's on salary, I would assume the housing factors into compensation on the contract. I have never seen anything that says "here's your salary and now you need to work for any hours we demand you to". That's borderline slavery. That's how most salaried central london office jobs work :p They sneak in the waiver into your contract so you automatically waive your right to a legal maximum hours by taking the job.
I have never seen this before.
Usually the employer can ask the salaried employee to work additional hours without additional pay occasionally (the contract will say this), but I doubt it's possible to do this every single week.
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