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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On September 09 2015 05:42 Frudgey wrote: Wait is Charmander an acceptable choice for favorite starter or do I need to say Squirtle to stay in the cool kid's club? I mean not that I was in there anyways, but you know... I mean, Charizard is the best pokemon, so I don't see why Charmander wouldn't be the best starter. | ||
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Sunaj
Canada2041 Posts
On September 09 2015 05:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I mean, Charizard is the best pokemon, so I don't see why Charmander wouldn't be the best starter. Because it's not Squirtle. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Sunaj
Canada2041 Posts
On September 09 2015 06:02 mordek wrote: Is there a Squirtle Squad forming in this thread? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3448831737/b29e113b7d68ef65828f41c07c06c8c7.jpeg) I sure hope so. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On September 09 2015 05:37 AsmodeusXI wrote: They will be monitored for potential bad behavior in the future. Parnage is on thin ice already for that Bulbasaur nonsense anyways. Come at me bro. Bulbasaur was and still is awesome. Best plant starter of all time and best starter for gen 1. Oh and unlike the squirtle line, Venusaur's mega is actually useful. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Honestly, ignoring the nostalgia-factor for gen 1, gen 3 prob has the best starters. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Grass is such a terrible type. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 09 2015 06:28 ComaDose wrote: When I was really young I thought it was smart to take bulbasoar because he was so effective at the first two gyms and after that you could train up other people. I like charmander the best since then tho. I feel that Grass starters have been historically weak due to their own intrinsic poor typing, lack of good moves, and poor secondary typing. It also doesn't help that there is almost always a forest full with bugs in the early game. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 09 2015 06:25 Sufficiency wrote: Water type pokemon are really good, but I think Fire types are better because they are more offensive oriented and usually hard to get unless you choose the Fire starter. Grass is such a terrible type. I mean, if we're talking about actual playthrough efficiency, Water's traditionally been the best, with Fire edging it out slightly in more recent games (gen 5 and 6). Speedruns predominantly use the water starter in gen 1-4 (HGSS uses Cyndaquil, but HGSS also uses that janky Raikou strat, so it's not really whole-playthrough efficiency that's needed from the starter). For competitive, only gens 3 and 6 actually had starters that were remotely competitive-relevant with their debut, and in both cases Water was the clear winner (gen 3 Swampert and gen 6 Greninja). | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
![[image loading]](http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/2/21/001Bulbasaur.png/250px-001Bulbasaur.png) | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 09 2015 06:59 Frolossus wrote: wasn't the idea behind 3 starters that each one corresponded to a different 'difficulty' playing the games? Only in gen 1 when they tried to match the types against the gym leaders. Grass is effective against the gym leaders 1/2/3, neutral against 4, bad against gym leaders 5-7 (not technically bad vs Psychic, but by then Ivysaur/Venusaur are Grass/Poison), and good against 8. Water is effective against gym leader 1, neutral against 2, bad against 3 and 4, neutral against 5 and 6, and good against 7 and 8. Fire is bad against gym leaders 1 and 2, neutral against 3, good against 4, and neutral against 5-8 (technically bad vs Ground, but by then Charizard is Flying, so it's immune to Ground). So basically by type advantages, Bulbasaur is supposed to have the easiest time starting, but have a rough time toward the end, Squirtle sort of has an even/inconsistent difficulty curve, and Charmander is supposed to have a tough time against the starting Gym leaders but eases up later. That went out the window in later generations when the types for gym leaders got mixed up. It also ONLY takes into account typing and not strength of moves available/stats (which Game Freak obviously wouldn't know how to balance yet). | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Asmo is now a rival. Someone must think of the plant types, and it will be me. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 09 2015 07:16 Parnage wrote: Numy is the only person who understands. Asmo is now a rival. Someone must think of the plant types, and it will be me. "This is my grandson. He's been your rival since you were a baby. ...Erm, what is his name again? That's right! I remember now! His name is ASMO!" + Show Spoiler + PARNAGE! Gramps! Smell ya later! | ||
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