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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-02 05:42:21
October 02 2016 05:31 GMT
#29241
So just got back from drafting for 7 hours.
Went undefeated on the night (3-0 draft 1, 2-0-split draft 2).
I'm just too tired right now to outline the intricacies of what happened so I'll do it in short story format for the select few to read. I'll open by saying I think this was the first time a lot of the drafting 'regulars' were there at the same time, and it was really nice, and super fun. Nobody gets salty, everyone is real friendly, there's a lot of banter...just an awesome time. The store owners get into it---we managed to convince them to run a third draft pod STARTING after 10 PM just 'cause the set was so hype and we were all having fun. (Store announced it would be single elim winner take all and losers would get candy bars. Can't gush enough this store is just super awesome. Was watching one of the owners have a 30-45 min conversation with like an 8 and 10 year old about Pokemon cards.)
ANYWAY

Draft 1

Felt like basically the only person at the table drafting G. Just insane synergy between the stuff I picked. Game 1 in the first match was the only game I lost all night. Double Whirler Virtuoso + a ton of energy means I die to 1/1 flier beats. I sided in removal for the fliers for G2/3 that I never needed. Just curved out and crushed from there with huge dudes and removal. Game 2 was something I don't remember, and game 3 was a mirror match which I also crushed.
Also, this happened:
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[image loading]
What you're seeing there is a bunch of creatures (including Fabricate ones+ servos) and Durable Handicraft. Combos with Fairgrounds Trumpeter (he was +9/+9 by the end) and Armorcraft Judge (I drew an obscene amount of cards).
After sacrificing the enchantment I swung for 66 damage.



I sat around while the second draft of the night went on (a bunch of people who lost round 1 dropped early to play again, but I was winning so I didn't drop). One dude opened a Rashmi and foil Fumigate and then later another Fumigate. He was also playing 3 of the 0/4 flying blocker for some reason. He ALSO is probably the slowest player in the world and the reason why the drafts took 7h, because every round he was in went to time/Game 3 and just ughhhhhhhhh.


Draft 2
Pack 2, sitting there, guy next to me opens his pack. It contains a Sol Ring, and a Skysovereign. Two other people at the end of the table open Chandras. There's another Rashmi. Some Gearhulks. What do I open? Bristling Hydra. Fucking Pia. Whatever who needs ridiculous bomb mythics? I'll take down another draft no problem!

I played RB against an absolutely insane GR aggro deck piloted by one of the store co-owners match 1(super nice guy. Love playing against him because our games are always super close/epic. Barely beat him during EMA when I was running that Burning Vengeance deck). He played huge hasty dudes and tramplers and got me down to 2 life, and then I just BARELY managed to claw my way back with the help of Inventor's Goggles and Aetherborn Marauder to gain little bits of life until I drew Animation module and got a counter on him to slowly grow him. He tried to swing all out and got me down to 1, miscalculating because he thought he could pump his 4/4 trampling Tiger twice (it was already an 8/8 due to other stuff). (He lost game 2 to SEVERE mana screw---Alaric you think you have it bad? Stuck in 2 lands for 8 turns, and even then his deck was so aggro he almost beat me.) Won my next game again just barely, trying to take down huge beefy G creatures and vehicles with the removal I had and chip damage via artifacts/servos/etc. Game 2 dude drops a Skysovereign. I'm about to scoop and go to G3 when I topdeck Tidy Conclusion.

Against all odds (well most, that first deck was pretty nuts) I won every match I played and opened ZERO friggin' value. I mulled two games to 6 and won both of them. I dunno what else to say here, I guess I'm just bragging at this point because it just feels really good to do well/win stuff (I'm on a pretty big streak again since the last draft I did was the 4-0 something like 2 months ago). Wish I could just open stuff too 'cause that's always kinda fun.


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Alaric, I'm not sure what is causing you to rage all the time and how you complain about getting screwed all the time, but I really and truly wish I could see what/how you draft because nobody I know seems to experience things the same way, even when they do get screwed (which obviously happens every so often). Like, I want to help you/see what you're doing wrong or SOMETHING because after nights like this I have no idea how/why we experience the game so fundamentally differently. I remember reading stuff in your last rant that made me go wtf....can't remember exactly what it was, something about being mana screwed again or something but when you described it, it didn't seem like screw at all? Or something about a guy drawing 9/16 lands and calling that flooded? I dunno what I'm even talking about now I'm rambling here. Oh I remember you were also complaining about if you don't have a 2 drop you lose I think, but that's simply and completely untrue. If you want to see the breakdown of my decks I can post them for you in a PM or link them for you later I JUST WANT TO HELP YOU BE GOOD MAN


Won't get to play again for at least another 2 weeks now but tonight was super worth it (despite only being barely financially worth it lol). Wish I had the money to attempt to grind online where the competition/skill level is super fierce

I must be super high off winning still I can't stop coming back and editing this post when I think of more stuff and rambling more jeeez
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-02 13:06:31
October 02 2016 10:50 GMT
#29242
You actually managed to make it short. I'm jealous.

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Your picture looks like the kind of thing my round 2 opponent would have wanted to do yesterday. The potential on Handicraft is super high and it's not that bad if drawn late (well... it's expensive, still onboard team buff), but you take a tempo hit playing it early so you better curve out the next 2-3 drops to make them bigger too and stabilise. Looking forward to play around with it.
Trumpeteer hasn't impressed me too much, but it needs the right cards to go with it, obviously harder in sealed (sealed tl;dr regarding fabricate is that it's a lot rarer than I would have thought reading the full spoiler).

Also I got stuck on one mana for 7 turns after having to mull to 5 (on the draw but still) and scrying bottom. Your guy is lucky to have two mana, I tell you!


I'll take the links for your decks, I think it's often just as interesting as the writeup (well, in general; obviously the reddit "draft writeups" of a guy playing 6+ first pick worthy cards and two mythics just make me shake my head at his table and close the tab), especially in this format with the balance to hit between vehicles, artifact creatures, tricks, etc.
For example I've opened Aviator's Goggles at the draft and 2+ sealed but never maindecked them, so I'm curious to see what that deck looked like, how many artificers/quality of your removal, etc. (first PR had so much removal it was a given I wouldn't have room in the non-creatures slots f/e).
Also surprised that you seem to dislike Hydra. Sure it's not a super mythic card, but if you can produce energy it's a bomb in its own right. I think it highlights very well the strength of energy not depleting, and giving you options even when tapped out.


About my mana, I tend to call flooded when I draw 55-60%+ lands over the whole game, or when I dip at 25%- or 65%+ lands during the early game (like 3 lands 9 spells, or 6 spells 10 lands), if you want hard numbers.
Depends on context too. I lost two of the draft's games from lacking another swamp for Tidy Conclusion, but I was splashing for Aethersquall Ancient, which I probably shouldn't have, and had an island in play each game (50% it be a plains or swamp otherwise).
These ones are on me, and lesson learnt: with the high amount of double symbols in the set, taking them into account no matter their cmc when building your mana base needs more attention than in previous blocks, especially since the fixing doesn't seem good outside of G. I had 8 sources for both W/B in that deck and getting 2 of each was a challenge.

As a reminder, in 25 packs I haven't opened a single Prophetic Prism or Attune with Aether, so my views on fixing and splashing are pretty skewed (got my Aether Hubs playset though!).
And my first experiences were a 3-2 record which reads "3 wins, then mana variance" (mulls taken each of the 4 losses due to 0-1 landers, miss 3rd land drop 3+ turns then don't get 4th, 5 spells from the starting hand and 8+ lands, etc.) -> rage sunday PR because "look I kinda want to actually play the set, not watch my opponents do it... " with the worst pool I've ever had, that didn't splash and still managed to get 2 of the 5 matches decided by mana.
So combine all that, a bunch of people playing G and as such turning a missed land drop into creatures I can't even trade with by double blocking a couple turns later, etc. and you get my fixation on curving out.

If the things that made you go "wtf" in my last post were from my first match, it was probably confusing wording on my part. My opponent, the guy who's even saltier than me, said a lot of things like complaining about his mana when he splashed harder than me with no fixing; luckily for him half his bombs were artifacts, though almost half still ended up double-symbol cards that he expected to cast on curve and stuff like that.

As for my rage, well (it's uselessy long and filled with "I") + Show Spoiler +
just like I rage more on people being dumb than bad in LoL/OW (and on me seeing a simple line for us but everyone ignoring it, rather than us getting outplayed and stomped with 0 lines), I rage, or get frustrated, by not getting to play rather than just losing.
If I get outplayed I learn stuff, either about the game or certain cards the other guy valued higher than I do. If I fuck up I'll know about it for next time.
If I goldfish I'm embarrassed for the other guy, although in drafts it also means I'm closer to decent picks at the end; if I'm goldfished on I spent money and time to... do nothing, basically, and it's even worse when I drafted something synergistic/situational that I was eager to see in action, since I only get these 3 matches to do it.
If my opponent is uncouth / very bad I get annoyed by losing to them... but that's childish. A decent player with a bomb pool would crush me instead, so at least I had a fighting chance I guess. I tend to get frustrated when the pool is really insane though, because then it's "no matter that guy's level, if I can't beat it from the start doesn't it make the match pointless?"

But the crux of it is spending time for the event, getting to play some games that make me think and have a fair chance (when somebody drafts BR vampires in SOI block and goldfish you by turn 4-5 it's the deck doing its thing; unless it happens both games in a row I'll shrug it off), and coming off of it not just with prizes, but also experience in the format, and memories of cool stuff or interesting lines to think about/archetypes to look forward to.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 02 2016 13:23 GMT
#29243
On October 02 2016 12:23 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
thought I'd tell everyone I'm alive. just settling in at school and not online as much. prob will be posting pretty rarely

Exciting times. Have fun! Check in occasionally if you remember
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 03 2016 12:14 GMT
#29244
Music Monday cuz I haven't stopped listening to this album

Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
October 03 2016 15:48 GMT
#29245
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 03 2016 15:56 GMT
#29246
Sigh

Is it worth paying double ticket price to go to Quarterfinals for one day? On the one hand I would feel bad that this is like the only event happening in Chicago and I'm not going, on the other, money.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 03 2016 16:29 GMT
#29247
Will you be going with anyone?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 03 2016 16:33 GMT
#29248
On October 04 2016 01:29 mordek wrote:
Will you be going with anyone?

Just me and the wife.
It's your boy Guzma!
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 03 2016 16:33 GMT
#29249
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-03 16:55:16
October 03 2016 16:49 GMT
#29250
Came in this morning, team gets summoned into a conference room at 9AM, find out our department head was canned.

fucking sigh

On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 03 2016 17:11 GMT
#29251
On October 04 2016 01:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Came in this morning, team gets summoned into a conference room at 9AM, find out our department head was canned.

fucking sigh

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On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.


Grats on the promotion?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 03 2016 17:23 GMT
#29252
On October 04 2016 01:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.

You laugh, but I actually almost posted that.

And the combo of involvement and variance is what gets me so much. Part of why I endure HS despite how dumb it is with RNG is that I'm not that invested into it, and games are usually super quick, so unless I chain like 10+ games of shit hands/match-ups (still happens, but really rare) I doesn't take long to start another when you get screwed over and you get to play a certain number.
I also probably wouldn't be as sensitive in constructed because it's the same deck, I get to keep playing it later. In limited it's all at once and maybe it's your only chance of playing that kind of deck/archetype (for the record my only UG in EMN was on xmage, and it was basically monoG beats with plenty of wolves and 3-4 U cards, for example), so if you "lose" it almost entirely to variance it's a missed opportunity.

It's a bit like giving a kid an outdoor toy he can only use for that day, and it starts pouring rain early in the afternoon.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 03 2016 17:31 GMT
#29253
On October 04 2016 02:11 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Came in this morning, team gets summoned into a conference room at 9AM, find out our department head was canned.

fucking sigh

On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.


Grats on the increase in responsibility with no raise?


ftfy
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 03 2016 17:54 GMT
#29254
On October 04 2016 02:23 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 01:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.

You laugh, but I actually almost posted that.

And the combo of involvement and variance is what gets me so much. Part of why I endure HS despite how dumb it is with RNG is that I'm not that invested into it, and games are usually super quick, so unless I chain like 10+ games of shit hands/match-ups (still happens, but really rare) I doesn't take long to start another when you get screwed over and you get to play a certain number.
I also probably wouldn't be as sensitive in constructed because it's the same deck, I get to keep playing it later. In limited it's all at once and maybe it's your only chance of playing that kind of deck/archetype (for the record my only UG in EMN was on xmage, and it was basically monoG beats with plenty of wolves and 3-4 U cards, for example), so if you "lose" it almost entirely to variance it's a missed opportunity.

It's a bit like giving a kid an outdoor toy he can only use for that day, and it starts pouring rain early in the afternoon.

I just feel like your outlook or focus is on really odd aspects of limited.

For example, in regards to your focus on various archetypes and how good they are/whether or not you get to play them/matchups/etc., I think you attempt to zero in too much on what these various decks are supposed to do and whether you get to do then, when in reality things are way more fluid.

If you want to force an archetypal deck because you haven't played it before, by all means do it! I've done it before and it was a but of a shit show but it was kind of fun and a bit of a learning experience, but you can't expect to build the perfect looking deck in each specific archetype during the life of a format ( unless you're drafting constantly like mtgo streamers). Most of the time decks are just going to be some combination of a bunch of different things, you build what looks good and what comes to you, and/or you do fun things with it. That's what limited is.

I'll link you my decks from the weekend cause I remember you asked, but for example my GW counters deck came together because of a few specific cards I didn't pick up till at least pack 2, but my BR deck was some amalgamation of artifacts/removal that didn't really fit anything despite me attempting to grab a lot of artifacts. I knew what I wanted to do but didn't quite get there so I just tried to pick what was best with what I had. I don't know if that's what GW or BR are 'supposed to do,' but I won games with them, learned a little, and I had fun and that's all that matters (and unless prepping for some tournament or something, frankly that's all that SHOULD matter). I may never get to draft those decks again. I may never get to draft the UR energy/theaters deck that handed me my only loss of the night, but I don't feel like I missed out because of it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 03 2016 18:04 GMT
#29255
On October 04 2016 02:31 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 02:11 Cixah wrote:
On October 04 2016 01:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Came in this morning, team gets summoned into a conference room at 9AM, find out our department head was canned.

fucking sigh

On October 04 2016 01:33 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 04 2016 00:48 killerdog wrote:
Sometimes I feel like magic might not be the ideal hobby for you alaric :p

Part of the reason I've never invested much time in card games is I don't find the skill of playing/drafting to maximise return on the limited rng in the genre particularly fun.

I never let myself get that into it, but I can understand how when you invest that much time and money into just a few games, you can't as easily rely on law of large numbers to visibly even out your luck, like you can by just multi tabling poker or something.

is there an ideal hobby for alaric?


Paint tends to dry in a fairly predictable way.


Grats on the increase in responsibility with no raise?


ftfy


Pretty much, except everyone in my department is now shouldering it. It's honestly a pretty bullshit situation, but not one I'm going to do into too much detail right now on.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 03 2016 18:32 GMT
#29256
You could be looking at remediating all your department's projects over the last 15 years... just some perspective :D
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 03 2016 19:13 GMT
#29257
Music Monday needs happy jazz remixes. Such an oldie, but a goodie.

"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
October 03 2016 19:55 GMT
#29258
Just do judo, apparently it's big in France and it gives you extra kneecaps!

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My Left leg Is So Fucked T.T
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 03 2016 20:57 GMT
#29259
This shall be my music monday.
Not sure who I'll trigger but I'm pretty sure there are one or two targets still reading here.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 03 2016 20:58 GMT
#29260
Music monday

It's your boy Guzma!
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