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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On September 03 2016 07:35 Eppa! wrote: Went 9-1 playing Ana Twice, Mei Twice, McCree+Reaper once then tanks the rest. Got pretty lucky with teammates only once was it a lost cause. Got 3460 SR. Is that good? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 03 2016 02:19 Numy wrote: Carried the shit out of my first placement with Zen. Support isn't too bad. You going to abandon the trench!? I don't know what that means. And I know sunaj I'm sorry  Maybe tonight....? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 02 2016 15:43 iCanada wrote: The other place where prebuilts fuck you is in HDD's. All of those fucking things have 5200 RPM drives in em. Like fuck off, spend 5 bucks and get me one that is 50% faster. If budget is an issue, I'd honestly grab the AMD cards instead. A 480 with an Overclocked Sandybridge can crush whatever you throw at it unless it is like 4k @ 144 Hz... but a 4k 144 Hz monitor is worth double your budget anyway. I'd go with a RX 470 if you're budget minded- the performance is practically 480 level, and you save a lot of $ since the 480 is basically a $240-250 GPU (the 4 GB version might as well not exist, they don't sell it in any appreciable volume), and you can get a 470 for as low as180 USD. Then I'd get the best CPU available, probably an i5-6500 or something in that range. That would do it for most games for a long while. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I haven't played a game on high graphics settings in like ten years. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On September 02 2016 13:24 Gahlo wrote: While it isn't the end all be all, I really like http://www.logicalincrements.com/ when it comes to looking at parts individually. In their example builds, they have the GPU from that computer in their $589USD build and that CPU in their $1031USD build. This bring up the important point that... For most gaming purposes, your CPU won't be your first bottleneck unless it is literally generations behind. Being a new computer, this isn't a concern. The workload to make the graphics for any modern game is immensely more intensive than the math and physics behind it. For whatever reason OW isn't very gpu reliant (likely because its been made so it can run on consoles). | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On September 03 2016 08:09 Ketara wrote: I wish I could own a desktop. I haven't played a game on high graphics settings in like ten years. they have some pretty good high end laptops now. I forget the company but they basically put everything you'd find in a desktop into their laptops | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It's basically the worst of both worlds. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On September 03 2016 08:06 zer0das wrote: I'd go with a RX 470 if you're budget minded- the performance is practically 480 level, and you save a lot of $ since the 480 is basically a $240-250 GPU (the 4 GB version might as well not exist, they don't sell it in any appreciable volume), and you can get a 470 for as low as180 USD. Then I'd get the best CPU available, probably an i5-6500 or something in that range. That would do it for most games for a long while. I want more information on this thought. 4gb is not as valuable as it may appear? the only other game she might play is WoW which i know doesnt cost shit. you really think CPU that important? like a 3.2 vs a 3.5? hyperthreading doesnt add shit to gaming cause nothing uses over the base 4 cores right? got any recomended builds in mind? p.s. no one gonna pay for laptop parts | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I think getting an i5 is worth it. I suppose it depends on whether you care about being under $1000 or if you want to spend it all to get maximum performance. The difference between 3.2 GHz and 3.6 GHz is like the difference between a turbo boosted i5-6500 and a i5-6500 that isn't turboboosted (done through the bios usually, it is essentially overclocking without hassle). So not a whole lot. If it is just Overwatch and WOW you could go much more budget minded if you want to save the $. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
Wep. 6-man pods.+ Show Spoiler [draft] + Fun fact: Emrakul was opened P1P1. The guy ended up in UR so he didn't play it though. As for me I open in an otherwise weak-ish pack (still has Sigardian Priest) foil Nahiri's Wrath + Grim Flayer. Uh, harsh. I don't feel like going into R (my most played colour) again, but BG isn't really the best combination either, and I played it yesterday... I still pick the Flayer just in case, to try it if the draft goes that way. In pack 1 I'm solidly BG, with 2+ Survivalists, Foul Emissary, Abundant Maw (2nd pick in a very weak pack), Primal Druid, 2x Midnight Scavengers (my right neighbour went 2nd pick Hanweir Garrison, 4th pick Bruna, and after both scavengers wheel and I pick them he takes Graf Rats, so I assume he's cutting it and is RW, W is clearly not open at all). I pass some R and especially a crapton of U, which surprises me since "forcing emerge or UB" dude is 2 sits to my right. Pack 2 is brutal, because as my neighbour points out he passes a fuckton of stuff to me, to the point that I'd easily pick 3 cards in each of my first 3 packs. I get Clear Shot, Collective Brutality, foil Noose Constrictor, Crop Sigil, Certain Death (I have no removal and I passed one pack 1 so I take it), a Graf Rats (and take it highly because of the scavengers), etc. Pack 3 lacks delirium pay-off sadly, I still get Rancid Rats, Soul Swallower, the land-fetching scarecrow for Delirium and pseudo-ramp, Epitaph Golem, Watcher in the Web and 2x Vessel of Nascency. In the end my deck has absurdly powerful creatures/curve, but basically 0 removal and only 2 creatures able to block flyers (Constrictor and Watcher). I cut both Foul Emissaries because I didn't see other Emerge creatures (there were like 4 Gryffs and the Behemoth, but all in U), Primal Druids as my 2-drop spot is crowded with absurdity, and since I only got one Bloodbriar I cut one of the Vessels and the Terrarion. 2-drops are like: Ulvenwald Captive Noose Constrictor Grim Flayer Graf Rats (with the Scavengers behind it) Rancid Rats Quilled Wolf 2 artefact creatures, 2 enchants (sigil and vessel), 1-2 instants and 3 sorceries, delirium should be easy to reach. Sigil, Scavengers, and Rise from the Grave all provide me with recursion too... Basically I only have 1 hard removal and almost nothing against flyers, but if I can force trades or both play on curve my deck should be pretty good. Oh, also. U-forcing dude? Opens Elder Deep-Fiend again and goes full throttle on U, then pack 2 opens Spell Queller. There's no justice. He also wheels 2x Wretched Gryffs, gets Faith Unbroken, etc. + Show Spoiler [matches] + Match 1 vs UR 2 people actually went UR. He opened Emrakul but didn't play it, and he even got passed Fiery Temper (my neighbour took Kessig Forgemaster over it, it made sense in context). + Show Spoiler + Game 1 he gets miserably screwed from R and Collective Brutality even lets me strip his light R cards before he gets a mountain. It got slowed down a bit by Cathar's Shield and Engulf the Shore but I can replay my stuff while once he has lands he can't empty his hand fast enough. Game 2 he has a Thermo-Alchemist with the shield out, 0/6 is a decent wall and he starts pinging well, plus I know stuff like Gatstaff Arsonists could quickly become dangerous. But I get Delirium early and put a bunch of pressure on him, and Clear Shot + Survivalists/Maw are quite a blowout. From that game I'll keep that Grim Flayer + Crop Sigil is absurd when it comes to reaching Delirium/tailoring your draws/recursion. 1-0 Match 2 vs the other UR He's more aggro with flyers, menace Whelp, Furyblade Vampire, etc. he obviously picked Nahiri's Wrath. + Show Spoiler + The match was extremely close but it still ended up very frustrating for me because it showed everytime that by that point there was nothing I could do. Game 1 I bin a land to Collective Brutality (and to kill a creature) but he's got open mana so Alchemist's Greetings can't be a forced discard, at least it shows me he has a bunch of lands and not much gas and I remove something else. Then he draws Nahiri's Wrath a couple turns later, lets me punch a bit with Survivalists (if a creature dies, I get delirium), and once I play both of them and Scarecrow he casts the Wrath discarding Greetings (killing the scarecrow) and a land (killing both survivalists). I could easily come back with a 5th land to activate Sigil + play something, but the only way to do this would be to take the only land in the yard with Sigil, removing delirium, and then I'm now coming back. 5th land would also let me play Flayer + Clear Shot to stall the board, for example, but nope. For 3 turns I let Sigil bin stuff but I neither mill nor draw a land, severely screwed (5 lands in 16-17 cards), and I can't afford to play a creature, not block then play Maw over it either. When I play Flayer, he alpha strikes, with one card in hand, all mana open and only needing 2 damage to kill me. It was Galvanic Bombardment and he bluffed, and I could live and maybe take back the initiative if I didn't block and top deck'd a land (at that point I had good odds), but against R tricks/burn was too risky so I took it. Lost the next turn 'cause I topdecked nothing. Game 2 was basically me on 7 lands, one too short to hardcast Maw, one too much when my curve would actually let me play almost any non-land I'd draw + a creature in hand (other cards in hand where Rise and I'd used Certain Death). It was decided for me and just frustrating, I didn't feel like I had any say in the match. Obviously flyers + aggro was a good combo to abuse my weaknesses and an unfavourable match-up but I still want to play! 1-1 I really wanted to avoid U-forcer (at 1-1 too) because I knew he was full of flyers, so I was reliant on my r1 opponent winning then playing my r2 opponent in r3, and then it's a toss-up between U-forcer and the other. My r1 opponent was playing vs BW, and went Fog Walker, Mercurial Geists, Blood Mist. He never blocked and went pretty low (vs a 3/3 and a 3/4) but it saved him as his opponent wanted the Walker to die so Oath of Liliana woudl force to sac the flyer. He was aggressively discarding with Skirsdag Supplicant to put pressure, and didn't cast Spectral Reserves to get a couple chump blockers. Then, r1 opp. casts Innkeeper to lock the last swamp and BW activates Skirsdag... then with his 2 remaining mana r1 opp. casts Distemper of the Blood on Geists. With Blood Mist that's 12 damage, and BW started the turn at 14. Mistakes were made, and I dodged U-forcer. (I'll pass the heated debate with my future opponent on whether a +2/+2 combat trick is better than Blood Mist and how BM is apparently only ever good when ahead and board stalls/races when slightly behind don't exist.) Match 3 vs GW non-humans + Show Spoiler + Game 1 I lost Constrictor stupidly early on to force a trick out of his hand., and thanksfully can play Watcher in time when he starts dropping a couple flyers. After a lot of back-and-forth with his Solitary Hunter flipping or not, and the W non-human fog used in response to my Clear Shot using a Bloodbriar with 3 counters vs a double-block, a huge board stall sets up, apparently he can't just remove/tap the Watcher. I end up with Quilled Wolf, delirious Soul Swallower, flipped Captive, and a couple other things. I could attack with the Wolf to pump and force chumps/2+-for-one then expect my recursion, or just the huge-ass Swallower... I tunnel vision on reaching 12 lands so the Wolf doesn't die instead, even viewing Crop Sigil as a way to get one more land in play, what a moron. In the end a 27/27 Swallower swings with most of my board when I draw both Scavengers in a row and meld a pair to give my board menace. Despite "Give no Ground!" in hand my opponent can't deal with the trample and concedes, but he's just as baffled as me by how long it took me to just swing or why I didn't use the Wolf. Game 2 Collective Brutality whiffs on spells but kills a creature and tells me he's got a Swine and a couple lands. Because he can race faster than me with a small headstart (didn't want to chump with Captive) and flyers (gryff, Spectral Reserves, then Apothecary Geist for +5 life combined), he swings each turn and I deal some damage with a couple 4-power creatures of my own. The turn following the Apothecary, with me saving mana to flip Captive rather than cast the Sudden Death I originally intended for the Swine, he swings with everything (2/3, 1/1, 1/1, 2/2), putting me to 1, then finds his 6th land and plays the Swine. It's 1 to 13. I flip the Captive EoT, Sudden Death the Swine to clear the way and drop him to 11, then swing for 12. He's a bit annoyed because he clearly didn't need to swing with both spirit tokens and it was his mistake, but he points it out himself and it's not like I'll blame him for it. 2-1 We opened: Emrakul, Spell Queller, Grim Flayer, Collective Brutality, Elder Deep-Fiend, and a couple other things. I end up 2nd, pick Spell Queller even though I find Grim Flayer a pretty interesting card and in colours I like more, because I'm closer to a Queller playset and expect it to be worth more, like 8€ to 5-6€... oh boy, I just checked, Flayer actually soared up and it's 16-17€ now to a 6€ Queller. Had I known. Flayer's actually the 2nd most expensive card in the set behind Liliana atm, it's even over Emrakul. Oh well! Just need to open another one next friday or something while our usual winner is away on vacations. I think Collective Brutality and Crop Sigil did more work for me than Flayer this draft (Collective Brutality was ready to be cast on turn 2 if needed in half my games though, Flayer was only relevant twice). Collective Brutality's way underrated, both in draft and constructed. After match 3 I noticed the other pod had a Splendid Reclamation, so once they were done I came up, asked who took it and whether it'd be interested in trading. Turns out it was a new guy who bought an intro pack yesterday and wanted to try and get some more cards for it while playing. It was the GW humans one so I traded him the Reclamation for my 5th Always Watching and Thalia's Lieutenant, and offered to bring my excess SOI block cards next time so I can give/sell him some (like some other excess rares + 400 commons/uncos for like 10€, that'll pay me a draft and empty my hands). | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 03 2016 09:17 ComaDose wrote: I want more information on this thought. 4gb is not as valuable as it may appear? the only other game she might play is WoW which i know doesnt cost shit. you really think CPU that important? like a 3.2 vs a 3.5? hyperthreading doesnt add shit to gaming cause nothing uses over the base 4 cores right? got any recomended builds in mind? p.s. no one gonna pay for laptop parts IIRC 4gb vram gpu's is only really needed if you're going for high res gaming (1440/4k etc) or multi monitor. There are a few games that want it for single screen 1920x1080, I think battlefield is one, but for the most part you should be fine without unless you want to be playing those few specific AAA games. Lots of games, especially blizzard games it seems, are more CPU dependent than anything. Also if you ever want to stream, that's pretty CPU taxing, so you'd want a fair bit of headroom to be able to stream at decent quality without a large fps drop. I've had an i5 4670k for a while now, and it's showing zero signs of slowing down with newer releases. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 03 2016 12:50 killerdog wrote: IIRC 4gb vram gpu's is only really needed if you're going for high res gaming (1440/4k etc) or multi monitor. There are a few games that want it for single screen 1920x1080, I think battlefield is one, but for the most part you should be fine without unless you want to be playing those few specific AAA games. Lots of games, especially blizzard games it seems, are more CPU dependent than anything. Also if you ever want to stream, that's pretty CPU taxing, so you'd want a fair bit of headroom to be able to stream at decent quality without a large fps drop. I've had an i5 4670k for a while now, and it's showing zero signs of slowing down with newer releases. Same, and I haven't even begun to overclock it yet. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 03 2016 19:41 Gahlo wrote: Same, and I haven't even begun to overclock it yet. Neither have I :p Thing is a beast | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 03 2016 08:21 TheYango wrote: The problem is that those "high end laptops" are too huge and clunky to be convenient for the things you'd normally use a laptop for, while also being less budget-friendly than a desktop with equivalent hardware. It's basically the worst of both worlds. High end laptops are pretty useful for me honestly. I don't actually move my laptop around very much, it sits on the desk and doesn't move. But in the past 15 years, the longest I've lived in one city is like... Under two years? So that prevents me from having a desktop since I have to buy things I can conceivably take on a plane. So the big ungainly laptops are pretty useful, in fact. Tiny target audience though. I hear they also tend to market them to soldiers. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Not sure how I feel about permadeath being softened. On the other hand, I suppose it does discourage people from just sending level 1 parties to die repeatedly. It also took 4 months for me to discover it existed. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On September 03 2016 22:28 Ketara wrote: High end laptops are pretty useful for me honestly. I don't actually move my laptop around very much, it sits on the desk and doesn't move. But in the past 15 years, the longest I've lived in one city is like... Under two years? So that prevents me from having a desktop since I have to buy things I can conceivably take on a plane. So the big ungainly laptops are pretty useful, in fact. Tiny target audience though. I hear they also tend to market them to soldiers. Also people who board somewhere but come home for holidays. Want to be able to use it around the house. Don't have room to dedicate a desk to pc. Want play games at friends house. Need to *occasionally* bring your PC to school. Need to travel, pretty much ever. Need a laptop and also want to game, but can only afford one computer total. etc etc Also for people who for whatever reason don't want to build/maintain their computer themselves, the price points are actually not that disparate anymore. The idea that a decent gaming laptop is 1/10th the power of an equally priced gaming laptop isn't really true anymore if you're comparing prebuilt computers. The flexibility I had when my only computer was a 15inch gaming laptop was insane, I still kind of miss it. (Although having a notebook is incredibly practical now for uni stuff.) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 03 2016 23:54 zer0das wrote: Apparently they added an event in Darkest Dungeon with the crier where you can resurrect someone in your party who is dead. You're given an option of 3 to choose from. For me it ended up being 3 level 1's and my roster was already full so ehhh. Not sure how I feel about permadeath being softened. On the other hand, I suppose it does discourage people from just sending level 1 parties to die repeatedly. It also took 4 months for me to discover it existed. Still never finished it. I guess I'll save it for the triumphant return of wavestream. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 04 2016 01:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Still never finished it. I guess I'll save it for the triumphant return of wavestream. Absolutely yes. | ||
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