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If you're going to buy relatively budget now, and potentially upgrade later down the road, wouldn't you be much better off just getting a good processor and skimping on the GPU?
Why throw 40% of your budget onto a GPU when they're halfway through rolling out non-reference 1080's... That seems a little silly. Especially with how CPU intense some games are, and how static CPU development has been for gaming compared to GPUs over the last few years.
Just get a good base, decent PSU/Mobo/CPU, and a GPU that can play whatever you want to play right now, and then if in 1-2 years you want to upgrade to play new stuff or w/e, you just need to buy another GPU, which will probably be another 30% faster per $$ compared to now, rather than an entire new computer.
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On September 02 2016 16:40 killerdog wrote:
If you're going to buy relatively budget now, and potentially upgrade later, wouldn't you be much better off just getting a good processor and skimping on the GPU?
Why throw 40% of your budget onto a GPU when they're halfway through rolling out non-reference 1080's... That seems a little silly.
Well, you can upgrade anything later.
Putting 40% on your GPU gets you the most optimal performance out of all your parts today. Meaning you don't have one big bottleneck and everything is seeing about the same usage instead of your GPU getting creamed and your CPU laughing.
Theoretically, bang for buck you are right; buying a better CPU and a worse GPU likely gives you better perforamance per dollar over 5 years... I would probably go for the biggest baddest GPU I could get today though; games today are just so comparatively GPU intensive today that it doesn't make sense to not overload on your GPU, imo.
You would have a significantly higher Performance / time with a GPU heavier build though. Especially since most games only really utilize 2 cores. Only reason I have an i7 is for FEA calculation runtimes.
I also typically buy shit motherboards though, so I find i end up replacing them more freely. Probably end up not saving any money, but its nice to tinker every few months or so on something. Although, i feel the same way about my 2004 Civic. I figure an extra 150 bucks here or there for a few hours of entertainment doesn't end up being that much different than going on a movie date or something.
On September 02 2016 15:56 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:29 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 02 2016 13:24 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 10:59 ComaDose wrote:On September 02 2016 09:29 Gahlo wrote:Are you capable of building a computer/know somebody that will do it for you if you buy the parts? Honestly, for that price range you'd be underbuying on your GPU and over buying on your CPU. Then, like you mentioned in your post, you're buying twice as much ram as you need. Yeah I built my PC. Is the CPU really an over buy? It seems relatively weak... What gpu would you recommend in that price range? What I linked is def not what I would build myself but the fact it's on sale for $200 off and comes with win10 sounded nice. I haven't ripped modern windows in a while... Is it just as easy? While it isn't the end all be all, I really like http://www.logicalincrements.com/ when it comes to looking at parts individually. In their example builds, they have the GPU from that computer in their $589USD build and that CPU in their $1031USD build. This bring up the important point that... On September 02 2016 11:13 Eppa! wrote:
I don't think that you can run OW on max setting at 150 hz with that. Cpu might not be able to keep up. For most gaming purposes, your CPU won't be your first bottleneck unless it is literally generations behind. Being a new computer, this isn't a concern. The workload to make the graphics for any modern game is immensely more intensive than the math and physics behind it. With 1k total price you should dump 3-400 bucks into the GPU tbh. GTX 1060 at least if not better. There's also the problem that pre-builts generally don't give info on motherboard/PSU because they tend to skimp on those. Those components don't need to be expensive but you do need them to be reliable. I honestly think you can get the i5-6500 and the GTX1060 and fit within budget without much of a problem. Problem he has is that his budget is 1k CAD, which comes out to ~763 USD. GTX1060 and a 6500 come out to ~65% of his budget. After RAM, a 240gb SSD, and a 1T HDD there's only $130USD left, but he still needs a case, power supply, mobo. The math just doesn't work out at that level. Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:43 iCanada wrote:
The other place where prebuilts fuck you is in HDD's.
All of those fucking things have 5200 RPM drives in em. Like fuck off, spend 5 bucks and get me one that is 50% faster.
If budget is an issue, I'd honestly grab the AMD cards instead. A 480 with an Overclocked Sandybridge can crush whatever you throw at it unless it is like 4k @ 144 Hz... but a 4k 144 Hz monitor is worth double your budget anyway. 5200RPM HDD aren't a problem. Any games he has will be on the SSD, which be better than anything a HDD will provide. The HDD will be entirely for storage, audio, and video media which doesn't need blazing speed.
Still, even with general file manipulation, on anything newer than 10 years old your HDD is the Bottleneck for loading most files. Pet peeve of mine.
5200 RPM drives should only be on laptops where power is a concern. Your HDD biggest every day bottleneck, likely always will be. I've seen too many people buy "top of the line" gaming pre-builts with OC'd i7 processors, liquid cooling, 96 gigs DDR4 RAM, then like 5200 RPM Drives and a 750TI or some shit.
Then they think PC's suck (because their "high end PC" sucks, and it does...), and they go buy a PS4 and meme about how PC's suck.
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On September 02 2016 15:56 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:29 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 02 2016 13:24 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 10:59 ComaDose wrote:On September 02 2016 09:29 Gahlo wrote:Are you capable of building a computer/know somebody that will do it for you if you buy the parts? Honestly, for that price range you'd be underbuying on your GPU and over buying on your CPU. Then, like you mentioned in your post, you're buying twice as much ram as you need. Yeah I built my PC. Is the CPU really an over buy? It seems relatively weak... What gpu would you recommend in that price range? What I linked is def not what I would build myself but the fact it's on sale for $200 off and comes with win10 sounded nice. I haven't ripped modern windows in a while... Is it just as easy? While it isn't the end all be all, I really like http://www.logicalincrements.com/ when it comes to looking at parts individually. In their example builds, they have the GPU from that computer in their $589USD build and that CPU in their $1031USD build. This bring up the important point that... On September 02 2016 11:13 Eppa! wrote:
I don't think that you can run OW on max setting at 150 hz with that. Cpu might not be able to keep up. For most gaming purposes, your CPU won't be your first bottleneck unless it is literally generations behind. Being a new computer, this isn't a concern. The workload to make the graphics for any modern game is immensely more intensive than the math and physics behind it. With 1k total price you should dump 3-400 bucks into the GPU tbh. GTX 1060 at least if not better. There's also the problem that pre-builts generally don't give info on motherboard/PSU because they tend to skimp on those. Those components don't need to be expensive but you do need them to be reliable. I honestly think you can get the i5-6500 and the GTX1060 and fit within budget without much of a problem. Problem he has is that his budget is 1k CAD, which comes out to ~763 USD. GTX1060 and a 6500 come out to ~65% of his budget. After RAM, a 240gb SSD, and a 1T HDD there's only $130USD left, but he still needs a case, power supply, mobo. The math just doesn't work out at that level. Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:43 iCanada wrote:
The other place where prebuilts fuck you is in HDD's.
All of those fucking things have 5200 RPM drives in em. Like fuck off, spend 5 bucks and get me one that is 50% faster.
If budget is an issue, I'd honestly grab the AMD cards instead. A 480 with an Overclocked Sandybridge can crush whatever you throw at it unless it is like 4k @ 144 Hz... but a 4k 144 Hz monitor is worth double your budget anyway. 5200RPM HDD aren't a problem. Any games he has will be on the SSD, which be better than anything a HDD will provide. The HDD will be entirely for storage, audio, and video media which doesn't need blazing speed.
I didn't even think about the conversion rate...
Why did the CAD drop so much? It used to be like 1.10 right?
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Guy in the store managed to convince me i should try some german, 87% whey which was on sale, apparently super high quality and natural. He then also convinced me the banana flavour wasn't at all disgusting when it turned out it didn't come in unflavoured.
Regret
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Was there no chocolate to be had??
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On September 02 2016 17:09 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:56 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 15:29 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 02 2016 13:24 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 10:59 ComaDose wrote:On September 02 2016 09:29 Gahlo wrote:Are you capable of building a computer/know somebody that will do it for you if you buy the parts? Honestly, for that price range you'd be underbuying on your GPU and over buying on your CPU. Then, like you mentioned in your post, you're buying twice as much ram as you need. Yeah I built my PC. Is the CPU really an over buy? It seems relatively weak... What gpu would you recommend in that price range? What I linked is def not what I would build myself but the fact it's on sale for $200 off and comes with win10 sounded nice. I haven't ripped modern windows in a while... Is it just as easy? While it isn't the end all be all, I really like http://www.logicalincrements.com/ when it comes to looking at parts individually. In their example builds, they have the GPU from that computer in their $589USD build and that CPU in their $1031USD build. This bring up the important point that... On September 02 2016 11:13 Eppa! wrote:
I don't think that you can run OW on max setting at 150 hz with that. Cpu might not be able to keep up. For most gaming purposes, your CPU won't be your first bottleneck unless it is literally generations behind. Being a new computer, this isn't a concern. The workload to make the graphics for any modern game is immensely more intensive than the math and physics behind it. With 1k total price you should dump 3-400 bucks into the GPU tbh. GTX 1060 at least if not better. There's also the problem that pre-builts generally don't give info on motherboard/PSU because they tend to skimp on those. Those components don't need to be expensive but you do need them to be reliable. I honestly think you can get the i5-6500 and the GTX1060 and fit within budget without much of a problem. Problem he has is that his budget is 1k CAD, which comes out to ~763 USD. GTX1060 and a 6500 come out to ~65% of his budget. After RAM, a 240gb SSD, and a 1T HDD there's only $130USD left, but he still needs a case, power supply, mobo. The math just doesn't work out at that level. On September 02 2016 15:43 iCanada wrote:
The other place where prebuilts fuck you is in HDD's.
All of those fucking things have 5200 RPM drives in em. Like fuck off, spend 5 bucks and get me one that is 50% faster.
If budget is an issue, I'd honestly grab the AMD cards instead. A 480 with an Overclocked Sandybridge can crush whatever you throw at it unless it is like 4k @ 144 Hz... but a 4k 144 Hz monitor is worth double your budget anyway. 5200RPM HDD aren't a problem. Any games he has will be on the SSD, which be better than anything a HDD will provide. The HDD will be entirely for storage, audio, and video media which doesn't need blazing speed. I didn't even think about the conversion rate... Why did the CAD drop so much? It used to be like 1.10 right?
It hit 1.10 back in the mid 2000s, but that only lasted for 2 months. typically it bounces between .70 at worst to .90 at best. Although I remember being it in the .60s during the 90s.
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On September 02 2016 17:09 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 15:56 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 15:29 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 02 2016 13:24 Gahlo wrote:On September 02 2016 10:59 ComaDose wrote:On September 02 2016 09:29 Gahlo wrote:Are you capable of building a computer/know somebody that will do it for you if you buy the parts? Honestly, for that price range you'd be underbuying on your GPU and over buying on your CPU. Then, like you mentioned in your post, you're buying twice as much ram as you need. Yeah I built my PC. Is the CPU really an over buy? It seems relatively weak... What gpu would you recommend in that price range? What I linked is def not what I would build myself but the fact it's on sale for $200 off and comes with win10 sounded nice. I haven't ripped modern windows in a while... Is it just as easy? While it isn't the end all be all, I really like http://www.logicalincrements.com/ when it comes to looking at parts individually. In their example builds, they have the GPU from that computer in their $589USD build and that CPU in their $1031USD build. This bring up the important point that... On September 02 2016 11:13 Eppa! wrote:
I don't think that you can run OW on max setting at 150 hz with that. Cpu might not be able to keep up. For most gaming purposes, your CPU won't be your first bottleneck unless it is literally generations behind. Being a new computer, this isn't a concern. The workload to make the graphics for any modern game is immensely more intensive than the math and physics behind it. With 1k total price you should dump 3-400 bucks into the GPU tbh. GTX 1060 at least if not better. There's also the problem that pre-builts generally don't give info on motherboard/PSU because they tend to skimp on those. Those components don't need to be expensive but you do need them to be reliable. I honestly think you can get the i5-6500 and the GTX1060 and fit within budget without much of a problem. Problem he has is that his budget is 1k CAD, which comes out to ~763 USD. GTX1060 and a 6500 come out to ~65% of his budget. After RAM, a 240gb SSD, and a 1T HDD there's only $130USD left, but he still needs a case, power supply, mobo. The math just doesn't work out at that level. On September 02 2016 15:43 iCanada wrote:
The other place where prebuilts fuck you is in HDD's.
All of those fucking things have 5200 RPM drives in em. Like fuck off, spend 5 bucks and get me one that is 50% faster.
If budget is an issue, I'd honestly grab the AMD cards instead. A 480 with an Overclocked Sandybridge can crush whatever you throw at it unless it is like 4k @ 144 Hz... but a 4k 144 Hz monitor is worth double your budget anyway. 5200RPM HDD aren't a problem. Any games he has will be on the SSD, which be better than anything a HDD will provide. The HDD will be entirely for storage, audio, and video media which doesn't need blazing speed. I didn't even think about the conversion rate... Why did the CAD drop so much? It used to be like 1.10 right?
Alberta was carrying economy. Oil went from $130 per barrel to 30 bucks a barrel. And that was 66% of our gdp.
Canadian oil hit harder than most placesuccessful because it's harder for us to get it out of the frozen ground, and we don't refine any of our oil domestically. We spend more getting it and get less back because it is risky for us to truck / train crude to a US refinery or to China.
The dollar would go up to around 0.86 if we could get a pipeline to either coast or to the US. But politicallyrics that's hard to do; the US doesn't want a pipeline because that would foster more competition for them. (Obama says he doesn't want a pipeline... but since XL energy was proposed the US has built the equivalent of 5 XL Energy pipelines.) West would be dumb because that leaves China as the only trade and we'd have to go through the Rockies; can't go around due to native land and wildlife reserves.
Can't go east because Ontario and Quebec are blocking it. Ontario wants the dollar low because it allows their manufacturing businesses to compete with Mexico and India. Quebec from what I can tell is just the equivalent of a spoiled son of a CEO trying to get his dad fired because teenage angst.
Then you consider that the corporate tax rate more than doubling where all the oil is being produced and you have a real struggling dollar.
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Thanks for the advice guys, I'm going to continue to shop around.
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Who the hell at Blizzard thought it was a good idea to put a brand new map into the ranked rotation?????????????????????????????????????
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On September 03 2016 00:58 Nos- wrote:
Who the hell at Blizzard thought it was a good idea to put a brand new map into the ranked rotation?????????????????????????????????????
Which game?
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Overwatch. 12 people in this match 11 people have never played on it. The patch came out last night.
Also not sure if they fixed the bug where supports were getting shit for rankings before they pushed the build to live but we'll find out.
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I assume Eichenwalde and yeah I'm kinda surprised they didn't delay its inclusion for a few weeks so it wasn't just PTR players with some experience on it. You can always hop in the brawl first but it would have been nice for them to make an announcement somewhere obvious (maybe they did and I missed it).
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They just kind of sneakily updated and activated season 2 a few days early. I don't mind the new map being on comp. Don't play too much quick play so if they just left it a week it'd be the same situation for myself. It's not like a few days of hysteria will change your rank play that much in the long run either.
I did get a bunch of real young sounding kids flaming each other in 2 of my games. That brought back some memories...
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lol I'm only going to play placements. Trying to support is an exercise in futility and no one would ever relinquish their dps roles.
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Dunno man my first placement last night was on eichenwalde and I carried yamato to victory never having even looked at it before.
2-1 so far; unless I lose the next 7 in a row things are looking better for me than the first time around!
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Carried the shit out of my first placement with Zen. Support isn't too bad.
On September 03 2016 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno man my first placement last night was on eichenwalde and I carried yamato to victory never having even looked at it before.
2-1 so far; unless I lose the next 7 in a row things are looking better for me than the first time around!
You going to abandon the trench!?
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DPS is my least-played, uh... too much aiming to do.
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On September 03 2016 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno man my first placement last night was on eichenwalde and I carried yamato to victory never having even looked at it before.
2-1 so far; unless I lose the next 7 in a row things are looking better for me than the first time around!
I'm just perpetually sad your internet only works when I'm in bed 
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Went 9-1 playing Ana Twice, Mei Twice, McCree+Reaper once then tanks the rest. Got pretty lucky with teammates only once was it a lost cause. Got 3460 SR.
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