Riot's response is a bit disappointing. They basically just bending over and letting Azubu give them up the ass while they harass the poor guy streaming.

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

February 22 2015 18:57 GMT

#86848

Or, or, or, he probably should have asked for permission in the first place.

sung_moon

United States10110 Posts

February 22 2015 19:02 GMT

#86849

So I guess since I probably needed new tires anyway, paying for my stolen ones aren't so bad. The tow sucked tho.

Met and talked to the Smash guy D1 just now at Winter Brawl. Dudes real chill.

We also not supposed to talk about LoL here, but Alliance/Elements doe.....

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

February 22 2015 19:13 GMT

#86850

On February 23 2015 03:57 Gahlo wrote:
Or, or, or, he probably should have asked for permission in the first place.

permission for what exactly?

On February 23 2015 04:02 sung_moon wrote:
So I guess since I probably needed new tires anyway, paying for my stolen ones aren't so bad. The tow sucked tho.

Met and talked to the Smash guy D1 just now at Winter Brawl. Dudes real chill.

We also not supposed to talk about LoL here, but Alliance/Elements doe.....

jesus, do you live in detroit or something?
Also, can't insurance cover for tire theft if you have full coverage?

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

February 22 2015 19:18 GMT

#86851

On February 23 2015 03:57 Gahlo wrote:
Or, or, or, he probably should have asked for permission in the first place.

He doesn't need permission to do any of what he's done. Azubu hold no rights to the league content, they only hold rights over the stream itself which isn't what he's broadcasting. Riot are essentially saying it's cyperbullying so they will take it down(Well Tryndamere is saying that) which doesn't make much sense.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

February 22 2015 19:29 GMT

#86852

so much for getting work done

I just power napped so hard

Uldridge

Belgium5201 Posts

February 22 2015 19:34 GMT

#86853

I'm so jealous of people able to power nap, whenever I say I'm going to nap I always end up sleeping for 4h or more..

Cixah

United States11285 Posts

February 22 2015 19:40 GMT

#86854

Power Napping only works if I know I 100% MUST do something and then the fear of god wakes me.

crimethinking

Vietnam765 Posts

February 22 2015 19:42 GMT

#86855

I never nap. Go hard or go home, it's either at least 5 hours of sleep or I just skip it altogether.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

February 22 2015 19:43 GMT

#86856

Ha guy at my local coffee shop is wearing a Doublelift CLG jersey. We traditional sports now.

crimethinking

Vietnam765 Posts

February 22 2015 19:45 GMT

#86857

I'm thinking about collecting esports jerseys but most of them make me looking like a mobile billboard when I wear them. So far I only find Titan, VP, Na`Vi and Empire jerseys good, having either small or no sponsor logos. The Korean jerseys are decent too.

Lord Tolkien

United States12084 Posts

February 22 2015 19:57 GMT

#86858

On February 23 2015 04:18 Numy wrote:

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Well the issue is that Faker, according to Tryndamere, has stated that he wants it taken down. Influenced by Azubu perhaps, but perfectly reasonable in which case, and that's now the basis on which Riot will take it down (it will be taken down, with that say-so).

The issue is that while Azubu doesn't have rights to the league content, RIOT does, and the issue of a Spectator stream is somewhat hazy, especially if the stream is garnering profits. This guy isn't (or claims not to), but that doesn't perclude another streamer from doing so (through donations, if not partnership etc.), and then that becomes a major copyright issue (since you're not publishing your own content of League [which Riot supports wholeheartedly], but profiting off someone else's games). Imagine, say, someone is streaming your games via spectator without your permission, and getting money from donators. He's not playing in the game, but is profiting off it. It becomes more difficult if he's doing so when you yourself are streaming and potentially poaching viewers and revenue. This guy attempts not to, and provides a link to Faker's stream when he's on, but again, doesn't perclude someone from being more unscrupulous.

In a business sense, it's concerning for both Twitch.tv and Azubu because it means their contracts for players to stream on their sites are diluted in value (a spectator stream on a separate site still means that their competitor gains profits, even if the guy streaming the spectation isn't), and puts them at risk for copyright infringement (which is why all streaming/video sharing services are so zealous in following up on DMCA removal). It can be concerning to the streamers if there's a very real threat of poaching viewers and revenue, and it's concerning to Riot since they need to be assholes when they have to intervene and do shit like take down SpectateFaker, as they're ultimately the copyright holders, to protect (pro) players and their streams.

I imagine Riot ToS is going to change regarding this issue, and requires in-client content to be published only if you yourself participate in the game, or with the permission of at least one player. Which prevents this edge case from spiraling further.