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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 03 2015 17:37 GMT
#83341
Nope, especially cheap heroes like that (plus Diablo is arguably the worst hero in the game, by a wide margin). It's a complete scam for early access and most people fall for it because of that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 17:39:12
February 03 2015 17:38 GMT
#83342
On February 04 2015 02:30 Requizen wrote:
People who play Heroes, is buying the Founder's Pack worth it? I don't care much about the cosmetics, but is $40 good for 3 heroes and 2500 gold?

I wouldn't, but I'm cheap. Raynor is 2k but not that great or that fun imo. Diablo is 4k if memory serves, almost unanimously considered the worst hero (can still be fun to play but he's UP). Tyrande is probably my favorite hero and the skin is cool. In my mind the only reason to pay that much is because you want access now. If you have access I wouldn't bother. You may find you don't like those heroes anyway. I personally recommend just trying to get all the heroes to level 5 during free rotation and then buying who you like with your 30k gold by that time. If you're not planning on diving in deep asap just enjoy it for free and buy who you like.

You're also going to get labeled instantly if you show up in a game with any of those skins so it kinda kills the coolness
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 03 2015 17:38 GMT
#83343
On February 04 2015 02:30 Requizen wrote:
People who play Heroes, is buying the Founder's Pack worth it? I don't care much about the cosmetics, but is $40 good for 3 heroes and 2500 gold?


Yeah, not even a little. Just compare it to Smite's god pack - doesn't even start to stand up in value.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 03 2015 17:53 GMT
#83344
Ok cool. I've heard that the time to grind out Heroes is one of the longest parts of the game, and thought getting 3 and gold might mitigate that somewhat.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 03 2015 18:05 GMT
#83345
That just sounds absolutely excruciating to me. Even if I actually liked the game, the idea of grinding out another full set of heroes....
I'd just learn Dota at that point if I wanted to play a new moba.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2015 18:42 GMT
#83346
On February 04 2015 03:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
That just sounds absolutely excruciating to me. Even if I actually liked the game, the idea of grinding out another full set of heroes....
I'd just learn Dota at that point if I wanted to play a new moba.

Grinding out another full collection of cards in MtGO sounds much more appealing amirite?
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 19:03:09
February 03 2015 19:03 GMT
#83347
Heroes, the casual MOBA that nevertheless involves grinding because ???????
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 03 2015 19:07 GMT
#83348
On February 04 2015 04:03 Seuss wrote:
Heroes, the casual MOBA that nevertheless involves grinding because ???????


because how else will you get addicted?
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 03 2015 19:08 GMT
#83349
On February 04 2015 04:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 04:03 Seuss wrote:
Heroes, the casual MOBA that nevertheless involves grinding because ???????


because how else will you get addicted?

Reward loops man, hell of a drug.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 19:10:02
February 03 2015 19:08 GMT
#83350
There's a lot of complaints about grinding heroes (with legit math to back it up) but I have had 0 grief or frustration with the system. I play as casually as I would expect many of you would with another game out of the few you spend your time with.
  • I try to not let dailies build up (many are super easy to complete in under 30min coop if you just don't have time in the middle of the week).
  • I enjoy trying out the new heroes on rotation, I focus on getting all of them to 5. Diablo was a pain but he's 5 now
  • I got alpha access in the beginning of December maybe? I own Stitches, Muradin, Valla, Tychus. I also have 22k gold just waiting to see who I really want and if any more price reductions come with open beta.
  • In the same sense as you don't play every champ in LoL, there's only a few heroes you'll really enjoy playing and it's easy to get those + a couple of roles to round out a team and cover daily criteria. In addition, there's so few heroes currently you get offered a large proportion of your options in the free rotations.

I haven't felt less of a "need to grind" in any game I can recall playing recently. It's simply fun to play.

Honestly my biggest hnnnggggg feeling is when I want to get to level 10, get a master skin and drop 10k gold on it. But it's entirely superficial. I can play that hero to it's full ability at level 4.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 03 2015 19:16 GMT
#83351
As someone who pretty much randoms every game in DotA and has maybe ~15 of 105 heroes that I consistently don't want to play, I don't think I could go back to a game where I'm limited to picking from <10 heroes that I own/are free.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 03 2015 19:17 GMT
#83352
The only hero I've really found myself enjoying so far is Muradin, so I don't really care about not having everything.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 03 2015 19:20 GMT
#83353
On February 04 2015 04:16 TheYango wrote:
As someone who pretty much randoms every game in DotA and has maybe ~15 of 105 heroes that I consistently don't want to play, I don't think I could go back to a game where I'm limited to picking from <10 heroes that I own/are free.

I've said it before, the existence of Dota makes all of the other free-to-play MOBA models feel archaic.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 19:22:47
February 03 2015 19:21 GMT
#83354
On February 04 2015 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 04:16 TheYango wrote:
As someone who pretty much randoms every game in DotA and has maybe ~15 of 105 heroes that I consistently don't want to play, I don't think I could go back to a game where I'm limited to picking from <10 heroes that I own/are free.

I've said it before, the existence of Dota makes all of the other free-to-play MOBA models feel archaic.

But blizzard is such a poor company how can they afford to make all the heroes free?They need money too man.

Played hots for a bit in alpha but was very underwhelmed.The locked talents to lvl 4 is the most retarded concept I have seen in my life.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 03 2015 19:21 GMT
#83355
forget the system, hots just isn't worth putting any grind into
A backwards poet writes inverse.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 03 2015 19:22 GMT
#83356
On February 04 2015 04:16 TheYango wrote:
As someone who pretty much randoms every game in DotA and has maybe ~15 of 105 heroes that I consistently don't want to play, I don't think I could go back to a game where I'm limited to picking from <10 heroes that I own/are free.

That's fair enough and I can understand that. My "random hero" is spread out over the course of weeks. There's not a lot of heroes to choose from so coming from dota its probably really annoying. I have played one game on TL night and one game in a coop and it did nothing for me. I have enjoyed every single game I've played of heroes I think. Except maybe one but if the team had been less toxic I don't think I would have minded losing my first sand map.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 19:24:49
February 03 2015 19:23 GMT
#83357
On February 04 2015 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've said it before, the existence of Dota makes all of the other free-to-play MOBA models feel archaic.

It's not so much the existence, but the fact that Valve has successfully made so much money selling ONLY cosmetics and tournament tickets/team memorabilia.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 03 2015 19:26 GMT
#83358
I think the Smite god package was(is?) a great idea.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 19:29:12
February 03 2015 19:27 GMT
#83359
On February 04 2015 04:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:
I've said it before, the existence of Dota makes all of the other free-to-play MOBA models feel archaic.

It's not so much the existence, but the fact that Valve has successfully made so much money selling ONLY cosmetics and tournament tickets/team memorabilia.


Didn't they have an article like a week ago that said Workshop contributors made $57m? Hats move, dude, hats. DAC/TI4 also made a lot, people love immortals.

E: OH MY FUCKING GOD, THE DAC CROW IS CALLED BAJIE THE SWINELING, this is amazing. He is a fucking classy pig.
Steam: rook492
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 03 2015 19:29 GMT
#83360
On February 04 2015 04:26 mordek wrote:
I think the Smite god package was(is?) a great idea.


It's really good. $30 for all current and future gods forever.

It's still not DOTA2-tier though.
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