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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 21 2014 23:53 GMT
#59781
dark tower was overall pretty average but there are some really great parts that make it worth reading
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 23:56:58
September 21 2014 23:55 GMT
#59782
On September 22 2014 08:52 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:46 Numy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:34 Numy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:32 onlywonderboy wrote:
I realized I haven't read a book in a long time and really want to. You guys read any good books lately, I'm open to suggestions?


What kind of genre's are you into?

I'm not very picky, more interested in non-fiction though. I mean I like sci-fi and fantasy a lot, typical nerd shit, but I'm pretty open to trying different genres.


Have you read the Scott Lynch novels?

I have not.


Ah well Lies of Locke Lamora is the first one. It's a nice mix of fantasy/thievery. Think maybe Oceans 11 smoothness. Also got some Sherlock/Watson interaction going. Really good.

On September 22 2014 08:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
dark tower was overall pretty average but there are some really great parts that make it worth reading


I think it's something any fantasy enthusiast should read but yea don't expect it to be super high quality constantly. Has really good moments but some really iffy ones too.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
September 21 2014 23:58 GMT
#59783
Sounds about right. I just read like, three pages where King refused to use a period and just blabbered on about panties and vaginas.
Retvrn to Forvms
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 00:08:19
September 21 2014 23:59 GMT
#59784
On September 22 2014 08:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:34 Numy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:32 onlywonderboy wrote:
I realized I haven't read a book in a long time and really want to. You guys read any good books lately, I'm open to suggestions?


What kind of genre's are you into?

I'm not very picky, more interested in non-fiction though. I mean I like sci-fi and fantasy a lot, typical nerd shit, but I'm pretty open to trying different genres.

if you want something fun and super super easy to read (since I know going back to reading is tough), I'd recommend Magician by Raymond Feist.

The Sense of an Ending by Julian Barnes is another that I'd recommend. It's short, easy to read, but also very thoughtful and has depth. It's fiction, but is set in our modern age with realistic people, so has a nonfiction feel.

Also Hunger Games is actually pretty good and gets you hyped for the movies :D
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 22 2014 00:04 GMT
#59785
If you do read Magician a nice followup is the Daughter of the Empire books. Find those better than the Silverthorn ones but who hasn't read Feist that calls themselves a typical nerd.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 22 2014 00:14 GMT
#59786
On September 22 2014 08:59 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 08:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:34 Numy wrote:
On September 22 2014 08:32 onlywonderboy wrote:
I realized I haven't read a book in a long time and really want to. You guys read any good books lately, I'm open to suggestions?


What kind of genre's are you into?

I'm not very picky, more interested in non-fiction though. I mean I like sci-fi and fantasy a lot, typical nerd shit, but I'm pretty open to trying different genres.

if you want something fun and super super easy to read (since I know going back to reading is tough), I'd recommend Magician by Raymond Feist.

The Sense of an Ending by Julian Barnes is another that I'd recommend. It's short, easy to read, but also very thoughtful and has depth. It's fiction, but is set in our modern age with realistic people, so has a nonfiction feel.

Also Hunger Games is actually pretty good and gets you hyped for the movies :D

I've read the first two Hunger Games books but couldn't bring myself to finish the series. It was an interesting concept but the writing really took me out of the experience. There are just way better written YA books.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 22 2014 00:35 GMT
#59787
OWB

If you're into nonfiction, I'd suggest reading A Team of Rivals ASAP. I read it ~5 years ago and it's still far and away my favorite nonfic. Couldn't recommend it any higher.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 00:36:03
September 22 2014 00:35 GMT
#59788
On September 22 2014 08:49 Chrispy wrote:


This video is grrrrrrreatly hilar. Oculus looks amazing and feels like it's definitely going to be the future of gaming/facebook reality or w/e Zuckerberg wants with it.

I've been reading King's The Dark Tower series. Only on book 2 atm, I quite like it.

Also, I've watched two episodes of Doctor Who because they're on Netflix and... I don't get it. It seems quite terrible, why the hell do people love this show so much.

You're going to be pretty disappointed soon imo. Won't go into detail obviously but the first few books are a great deal better than the last few.

Edit: Also note that when I consciously realize i might be starting shit, none happens.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 00:40:33
September 22 2014 00:39 GMT
#59789
People dislike Wizard and Glass but I really liked it. After that yea it goes a bit down in quality.

@Wave - You can't start shit by politely asking someone for their opinion. You got to give an outrageous opinion yourself and then have everyone try correct you.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 22 2014 00:47 GMT
#59790
Wizard and Glass was a sidetrack, but a necessary/good one imo. Not the best book of the series but certainly not the worst.

I dunno The Dark Tower is one of those things I about which I have a LOT to say, having read almost the entirety of King's repertoire, but first of all spoilers, and second of all I would need to discuss it with people
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 22 2014 00:53 GMT
#59791
reading almost everything from king sounds like suffering

i mean he has some good books that you should know but for every one of those he has 5 that are like "I'm going to choose the first random thing/person I see and make a novel where it kills people"
Or if he's feeling frisky it's a mystery novel where you don't know if the car is really posessed by the devil and goes around killing people!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 00:56:40
September 22 2014 00:54 GMT
#59792
On September 22 2014 09:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
reading almost everything from king sounds like suffering

i mean he has some good books that you should know but for every one of those he has 5 that are like "I'm going to choose the first random thing/person I see and make a novel where it kills people"
Or if he's feeling frisky it's a mystery novel where you don't know if the car is really posessed by the devil and goes around killing people!

Honestly though it's not about the premise of the books themselves. It's his writing style. The books themselves aren't 'scary' per se; his horror is more about insight into the darkness of the human condition and he will often use simple objects/scenarios to achieve that.

Some books like The Dark Tower are simple 'epic fantasy' however, and well written, and while he often does a good job with it, those last few books get way too 'meta.'
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 00:58:30
September 22 2014 00:57 GMT
#59793
Yeah but that doesn't make me able to read a book where 80% of it is some fag running around playing children's card games for money

Or the one where the whole plot (probably) was that a girl got raped once and that's bad

writing style does not save everything


€ the rape book had a graphical description of it included though so maybe scip would be interested
A backwards poet writes inverse.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 22 2014 01:03 GMT
#59794
D&D party was 1 HP and a 50% die roll away from a TPK today. In fact, we thought it was a TPK for like 30 minutes and were almost going to reroll characters until we realized the Paladin added his level-up HP last session incorrectly and would be staggered at 0 HP (and therefore able to stabilize everyone with Lay on Hands) rather than unconscious and dying at -1 HP like everyone else.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 01:05:51
September 22 2014 01:05 GMT
#59795
On September 22 2014 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wave creates toxic conversation part 5:
Phyvo, I'm seriously not trolling when I ask you, are you against gay marriage, and if so, can I ask why?


On September 22 2014 08:30 Ketara wrote:
I am for the gay marriage discussion, and would like to see what phyvo has to say.


Since you guys are interested, I'll send you both PMs later. If anyone else wants to know you can just PM me too. I don't have time tonight to write much about it, but tomorrow or Tuesday when I have more time I share my thoughts as best I can, it deserves more than the sound bite that I can give here. As you will see I already used my time tonight to try to make the point I was originally hoping to make.

On September 22 2014 08:24 Numy wrote:
Oh shit Christian AND from America. That's like 100% guaranteed to murder you.


=(

You know, part of the reason why I decided to share that with you guys is because I have spent so time in this thread and have interacted with many you over a large amount of time (even seeing Soniv in person, if only once). In the US we have a problem where people are not willing to step across the aisle and talk, both IRL and on the internet. Sometimes that's because they think it's pointless. Other times it's because they're afraid of being subjected to ridicule. So we go our own ways, getting our information from completely different sources and conversing only with people who agree with us in order to make jokes at the expense of the other.

So when I brought up my stance on gay marriage it wasn't necessarily to start a discussion about it. It was to point out that, personally, these kinds of comments bother me, they bother other people, and the attitude that creates them makes talking to you difficult for us. I'm not playing favorites here. I've seen thoughtful, bridge-building comments from Christian, Atheist, Jewish, and Muslim commenters. I've also seen commenters in each carouse and joke in their own ways merely to call the opposing camps idiots, or worse. It seems innocent, but all it causes is a greater divide; it silences opposition.

And in this case, because I care about you guys, and because I will be with you all in the future, I wanted to let you know that, while at this point I am used to these kinds of comments, I'm here, and I can amiably disagree without wanting to murder people.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
September 22 2014 01:05 GMT
#59796
So, random fuckup leads into everyone being not unalived?
Steam: rook492
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-22 01:14:55
September 22 2014 01:06 GMT
#59797
On September 22 2014 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah but that doesn't make me able to read a book where 80% of it is some fag running around playing children's card games for money

Or the one where the whole plot (probably) was that a girl got raped once and that's bad

writing style does not save everything


€ the rape book had a graphical description of it included though so maybe scip would be interested

The fuck?
Which books are you talking about?

Oh Hearts in Atlantis...never read that one actually.

I mean I don't expect everyone to enjoy his writing style, and on the surface I could definitely see how he gets the negative stigma in terms of his books being trashy and pop culture fiction, but a great many of them go deeper than that.

The best few are probably his earlier ones, but there are a few gems amongst the later ones too.
My faves overall are probably:
The Stand (Really amazing, the themes are powerful---gotta admit it took me two tries to get through the whole thing though. It's monstrously large)
It - (Some parts of it are profoundly disturbing and weird)
Cell - (shallow in terms of the obvious allegory but still chilling to consider)
Insomnia
Desperation

There are a lot of others I enjoyed and some others that are pretty forgettable. Apparently the ones he co-wrote with Peter Straub are fantastic but I never read them. Probably should.

Also his short story collections are really good.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 22 2014 01:13 GMT
#59798
On September 22 2014 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2014 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah but that doesn't make me able to read a book where 80% of it is some fag running around playing children's card games for money

Or the one where the whole plot (probably) was that a girl got raped once and that's bad

writing style does not save everything


€ the rape book had a graphical description of it included though so maybe scip would be interested

The fuck?
Which books are you talking about?

I successfully repressed any memory of their titles
A backwards poet writes inverse.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 22 2014 01:18 GMT
#59799
So idk if you guys played Deadly Premonition, but Swervy's next game looks pretty insane.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/19/6526299/d4-clam-chowder-scene-gameplay-xbox-one
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 22 2014 01:20 GMT
#59800
I really like what Glenn Cook writes. Either Garret (P.I. and kinda noir style in a fantasy world, so you've got all your cliche but subverted or sometimes mocked a bit, for example with the elves being the "black guys" from the universe, minority being looked down upon and the typical sidekick and all), but mostly the Black Company.

He's really good at putting a story within a single city and building the atmosphere and how events move around it. It's not that he's bad if people start crossing the country, but it's when he can set a place and work with it that his canvas painting is the best.
The Black Company also plays around with tropes (Raven, the typical "mysterious dark stranger" being ridiculed for his social ineptitude and the way he's all brooding while fitting the archetype to a T; or just the fact that the company is a bunch of 30-something y.o. people at the start, rather ruthless and quickly revealed to have been employed by a rather sterotypical "villain" faction (the Evil Empire fought by the Resistance), of which they don't care since they're being paid to do it) and has a point of view focused on the Company as a group of people, even though some are elaborated upon more than others.
When you go toward the end, it's made clearer and clearer than in the end despite the characters when you think about the Company you don't think about "X or Y" person, but a group of soldiers that endures and keeps existing throughout the years. From a "cultural" stance, I found it interesting to consider.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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