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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 15:55:22
October 04 2013 15:55 GMT
#3801
Interesting. I knew there was some different min/maxing stuff you could do, but I didn't know it was partially based on what Pokemon you beat in the process of leveling.

edit: 4 top pages. Asmo pls
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 04 2013 15:57 GMT
#3802
In regards to the Pokemon stuff you guys talking about, are you guys mostly just talking about end game stuff?
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#3803
Gen 5 added a lot of ways to EV train without battling, as well as ways to remove EVs you don't want (though there still wasn't a way to directly see your EVs if you weren't keeping track of them). Gen 6 is supposedly going to add more and let you actually see your EVs.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#3804
I only played sapphire and I have no idea what you guys are saying but it's kind of cool that pokemon gets so indepth
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 16:02:29
October 04 2013 16:01 GMT
#3805
On October 05 2013 00:57 wei2coolman wrote:
In regards to the Pokemon stuff you guys talking about, are you guys mostly just talking about end game stuff?

Yeah. I've never heard of people EV training during their first run, usually once you beat the game you start breeding for the right nature/IV spread, then start the EV training grind. Berries, held items, and vitamins speed up the process a bit, but you're still literally grinding from 1-100 - slowly, since you're only fighting the things that you want to defeat and running from the rest.

Part of what keeps people playing is all the things you can do post game. You can breed for natures and shinies, you can go completionist, you can level the perfect team, etc.

Note: I've never EV trained extensively before, but I know the methodologies and ideas behind it thanks to Bulbapedia. If my information is incorrect, Yango or Moon will totally call my shit lol.
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 04 2013 16:04 GMT
#3806
On October 05 2013 01:01 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 00:57 wei2coolman wrote:
In regards to the Pokemon stuff you guys talking about, are you guys mostly just talking about end game stuff?

Yeah. I've never heard of people EV training during their first run, usually once you beat the game you start breeding for the right nature/IV spread, then start the EV training grind. Berries, held items, and vitamins speed up the process a bit, but you're still literally grinding from 1-100 - slowly, since you're only fighting the things that you want to defeat and running from the rest.

Part of what keeps people playing is all the things you can do post game. You can breed for natures and shinies, you can go completionist, you can level the perfect team, etc.

Note: I've never EV trained extensively before, but I know the methodologies and ideas behind it thanks to Bulbapedia. If my information is incorrect, Yango or Moon will totally call my shit lol.

Interesting, I never really got too into Pokemon, only did one semi-competitive pokemon game with some friends. Where we put a 10 gameplay hour limit, and then battled to see who had the best team. It was pretty cool, but pretty much stopped playing pokemon once they started coming out for DS, cuz never really wanted to spend money to get a DS.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 16:08:30
October 04 2013 16:05 GMT
#3807
I know I've *partially* EV trained while playing the game before. i.e. primarily use a few mons that I don't care about the EV spread on (usually my starter because more often than not, starters have sucked anyway), while switching in a Pokemon I liked for trainer battles that I knew gave the EVs I wanted.

Usually you beat the game using primarily 3-4 Pokemon anyway, so it's just something to do with the other team slots (though those admittedly get held up by HM slaves a lot too).

On October 05 2013 01:01 Requizen wrote:
You can breed for natures and shinies, you can go completionist,

Or you can RNG abuse like a certain TLer we know.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2013 16:06 GMT
#3808
Wow what? The DS is one of the best handhelds ever made imo. Good library, good design, and I love the ability to snap is open and shut to "sleep mode" so I can just jump back to where I am. Granted the PSP has this ability too, but I can't stand the design of that thing.
It's your boy Guzma!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-04 16:07:52
October 04 2013 16:06 GMT
#3809
I've only EV trained like one or two pokemon ever, I think I did like a Tyranitar with spec def and a Blissey with hp/defenses. That Blissey was pretty hilarious, just cast toxic and evasion, wait for enemy to die hue.

Otherwise I just collected pokemanns and shinies, goofed off a lot in the Battle Dome or w/e in Gen 3. Excavation or w/e was pretty fun in Gen 4 or 5 (I don't even remember).
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 04 2013 16:09 GMT
#3810
On October 05 2013 01:06 Requizen wrote:
Wow what? The DS is one of the best handhelds ever made imo. Good library, good design, and I love the ability to snap is open and shut to "sleep mode" so I can just jump back to where I am. Granted the PSP has this ability too, but I can't stand the design of that thing.

Never really felt the need or want to get a DS, and they were always so pricy too, at least they were for me when they first came out. (so sometime when I was in HS?) I might get one later on or something, but I was never quite compelled into getting one.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2013 16:11 GMT
#3811
Yeah, I generally like to build a balanced team and level them up, but never really worry about EV training since I don't compete.

I do like self-imposed challenges, though. Nuzlocke runs, one-type runs, speedruns, etc are really fun ways to enjoy the game over and over again. I kinda forgot about my Nuzlocke though, I need to get back to that someday. I was thinking about getting both X and Y and then playing one and Nuzlocking the other.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 04 2013 16:32 GMT
#3812
On October 05 2013 01:11 Requizen wrote:
Yeah, I generally like to build a balanced team and level them up, but never really worry about EV training since I don't compete.

I do like self-imposed challenges, though. Nuzlocke runs, one-type runs, speedruns, etc are really fun ways to enjoy the game over and over again. I kinda forgot about my Nuzlocke though, I need to get back to that someday. I was thinking about getting both X and Y and then playing one and Nuzlocking the other.


Wow that commitment. I could only possibly play through one once then Bank my Pokes and Nuzlocke then.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 04 2013 16:32 GMT
#3813
Nuzlocke feels like I would be so sad when my pokemon inevitably die =(
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 04 2013 16:33 GMT
#3814
On October 05 2013 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Nuzlocke feels like I would be so sad when my pokemon inevitably die =(


That's why you grind for levels like hell but also write a corresponding fiction to go with your tale so all your Pokes can have an effecting narrative arc before they bite it and you can weep like a justified man.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 04 2013 16:35 GMT
#3815
Its too bad Game Freak never allowed multiple save files.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2013 16:36 GMT
#3816
On October 05 2013 01:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Nuzlocke feels like I would be so sad when my pokemon inevitably die =(

I did a Ruby run once where my Torchic died to a random trainer at like level 12 because I was dumb and thought I could tank a Bide after wailing on them

It's really fun to make up stories for everything as you go. I don't think I could do a Nuzlocke webcomic (though I read some, always fun), but I do imagine personalities for my Pokemon and trainer. I wish I had the time/patience to write a story based off a run. I really want to do one for Gen 6, but I want to experience the story first. Will definitely be getting Pokemon Bank so I can store and restart.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2013 16:37 GMT
#3817
On October 05 2013 01:35 TheYango wrote:
Its too bad Game Freak never allowed multiple save files.

Gotta get those multiple sales per customer
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 04 2013 16:41 GMT
#3818
On October 05 2013 01:36 Requizen wrote:
I did a Ruby run once where my Torchic died to a random trainer at like level 12 because I was dumb and thought I could tank a Bide after wailing on them

Yeah fuck that, I think I'd ragequit if I had to clear the early game using a Poochyena/Wurmple.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 04 2013 16:46 GMT
#3819
On October 05 2013 01:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 01:36 Requizen wrote:
I did a Ruby run once where my Torchic died to a random trainer at like level 12 because I was dumb and thought I could tank a Bide after wailing on them

Yeah fuck that, I think I'd ragequit if I had to clear the early game using a Poochyena/Wurmple.

I had a Shroomish and a Poochyena that were doing well, and after that a Wishmur that tore up everything for a while (rival dropped her). My Numel was great until it ate an Overheat from Flannery's Torkoal that 1 shot it despite the resists

I quit that one, have played my Nuzlockes much more carefully since then.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 04 2013 16:53 GMT
#3820
IV/move breeding + EV training and all made me go "I would never spend so many hours just to get a team, then level it till 100, and only then being able to start doing battles".
I know there are websites letting you set up your team and just do online battling, but the prospect of doing it within a legit game is just... ugh. You can't even talk about how it feels great to plan, because it's still much less time than breeding, walking to hatch the eggs, training to 100, etc.
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