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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
November 20 2022 23:28 GMT
#401
On November 21 2022 08:22 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
This can't actually go on, can it? Hero is definitely dead, right?


Thank Adun. I was starting to doubt myself.
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
SEB2610
Profile Joined June 2022
59 Posts
November 20 2022 23:28 GMT
#402
On November 21 2022 08:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:21 SEB2610 wrote:
Not blink?


herO's broke. Bunny was in his natural for too long he can't afford to make units, and tech to Storm and Blink at the same time.

Already had 5 stalkers out (or was it 4?) and blink only costs 50/50 more than zealot legs which he was getting
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2629 Posts
November 20 2022 23:29 GMT
#403
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.

I mean Bunny 3-0d Clem so yeah.
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12901 Posts
November 20 2022 23:32 GMT
#404
On November 21 2022 08:26 tigera6 wrote:
Meomaika could have saved both Serral and herO from Bunny, but he messed up, cant trust that guy, lol.

The hero we did not know we needed, but we were not worthy
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 23:35:10
November 20 2022 23:32 GMT
#405
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He was already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
November 20 2022 23:34 GMT
#406
On November 21 2022 08:28 SEB2610 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:22 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:21 SEB2610 wrote:
Not blink?


herO's broke. Bunny was in his natural for too long he can't afford to make units, and tech to Storm and Blink at the same time.

Already had 5 stalkers out (or was it 4?) and blink only costs 50/50 more than zealot legs which he was getting


herO was investing in Storm. Storm without Charge is almost worthless. Given a choice between Blink and Charge if you're going for Storm and Archons, you take Charge 10/10 times.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12901 Posts
November 20 2022 23:34 GMT
#407
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He's already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his relatively weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Bunny is the only terran with a positive record vs Maru this year apparently: us terrans have found a new deity to worship, let’s bow to Bunny 🐰
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
November 20 2022 23:36 GMT
#408
On November 21 2022 08:34 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He's already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his relatively weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Bunny is the only terran with a positive record vs Maru this year apparently: us terrans have found a new deity to worship, let’s bow to Bunny 🐰


I never bow to the current hotness when it comes to Terran players. I know who I like. Bunny is hot and he's FINALLY getting the credit he deserves from the foreign scene which is LONG overdue.

But Maru is still the superior player.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3415 Posts
November 20 2022 23:36 GMT
#409
I just feel that 4-gate Blink is a painful way to die.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38256 Posts
November 20 2022 23:36 GMT
#410
Super clean game from Hero that. Very decisive when he spotted the weakness in Bunny's defence too.
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1239 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-20 23:38:40
November 20 2022 23:38 GMT
#411
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He was already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Clem's overhyped because of his good record against Serral/Reynor. Still, without a breakout offline performance I don't think you can be considered a true top dog.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
mark_lenders
Profile Joined July 2019
74 Posts
November 20 2022 23:38 GMT
#412
On November 21 2022 02:23 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 01:51 mark_lenders wrote:
On November 20 2022 06:21 Die4Ever wrote:
Nobody knows how old Nightmare is? Lol it's not even on Liquipedia


i don't know if they removed the information because it was wrong, but a couple of years ago liquipedia said he was born in 1999


I think you have just earn the title of most dedicaded SC2 fan in the world.


well, with all the army shanenigans knowing the age of every single korean players should be the bare minimum
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12901 Posts
November 20 2022 23:39 GMT
#413
On November 21 2022 08:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:34 Poopi wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He's already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his relatively weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Bunny is the only terran with a positive record vs Maru this year apparently: us terrans have found a new deity to worship, let’s bow to Bunny 🐰


I never bow to the current hotness when it comes to Terran players. I know who I like. Bunny is hot and he's FINALLY getting the credit he deserves from the foreign scene which is LONG overdue.

But Maru is still the superior player.

That’s the problem with Maru, he is other worldly so if you try to compare him to other players you just know nobody has played as incredible StarCraft for so long. But still, Bunny is a credible candidate for Katowice championship after this DH imo
WriterMaru
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17678 Posts
November 20 2022 23:41 GMT
#414
Time to get +1 attack from the proxy ebay
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
November 20 2022 23:41 GMT
#415
PHENOMENAL WIDOW MINE BAIT!
I bear this sig to commemorate the loss of the team icon that commemorated Oversky's 2008-2009 Proleague Round 1 performance.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
November 20 2022 23:42 GMT
#416
On November 21 2022 08:38 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He was already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Clem's overhyped because of his good record against Serral/Reynor, plus he's clearly very talented. Still, without a breakout offline performance I don't think you can be considered a true top dog.


Don't get me wrong, Clem is EXCEPTIONAL for his age. He's a true prodigy in the vein of Reynor. The best of the new generation. He has plenty of time to take the crown of top dog for himself. But he's not there yet.

His TvZ is world class. He can beat any Zerg in the world but his other two match ups are big question marks, especially his TvT. Has been the case since he first blew up.

It just doesn't matter in the EU scene because the only top quality players you have to worry about in EU are Zergs. So being elite vs Zerg is all you really need to win in the EU scene. Being simply pro level in the other match ups is enough.

Unfortunately in this community. Anyone that's good in the EU scene automatically gets blown up to be the best in the world, because Europeans are like that. Events like this are a nice reminder of how far he has to go if he really wants to claim the title of actual best in the world.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
November 20 2022 23:45 GMT
#417
On November 21 2022 08:39 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2022 08:36 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:34 Poopi wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:32 Vindicare605 wrote:
On November 21 2022 08:27 tigera6 wrote:
If Bunny win this tournament, I would put him ahead of Clem , sorry.


He's already ahead of Clem. Clem has/had better TvZ, but that seems to have closed up. Clem has/had roughly equal TvP, but that now seems to be Bunny favored. But Bunny has much better TvT, and has had much better TvT for a while.

When two players are roughly equal in 2/3 match ups but one of them is considerably better in the third, then player with the better mirror play is better.

Clem is lucky he plays in EU where his relatively weak TvT never gets exploited. Bunny meanwhile has to die to Maru on the regular.

Bunny is the only terran with a positive record vs Maru this year apparently: us terrans have found a new deity to worship, let’s bow to Bunny 🐰


I never bow to the current hotness when it comes to Terran players. I know who I like. Bunny is hot and he's FINALLY getting the credit he deserves from the foreign scene which is LONG overdue.

But Maru is still the superior player.

That’s the problem with Maru, he is other worldly so if you try to compare him to other players you just know nobody has played as incredible StarCraft for so long. But still, Bunny is a credible candidate for Katowice championship after this DH imo


That's the difference with me I guess. Bunny's DH performance isn't that remarkable to me. He's simply validating what I've already known he was capable of. If he hadn't blown up this tournament he was going to blow up Katowice. He was due.

Is he the next Horseman or is he the next Cure? Good enough to blow up for a while then fade back to the second tier of Terrans.

That is what I am waiting to see.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 20 2022 23:47 GMT
#418
Damn what a hold from herO
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16081 Posts
November 20 2022 23:47 GMT
#419
goddamn it. herO is so fucking good.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24211 Posts
November 20 2022 23:49 GMT
#420
what was that probe pull Jesus ? Just when he was starting to mount a comeback...
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