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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:01 GMT
#221
Poll: Rogue's next build

Roaches (7)
 
37%

Fast muta (5)
 
26%

Roach + nydus (4)
 
21%

Baneling bust (2)
 
11%

Nydus (1)
 
5%

19 total votes

Your vote: Rogue's next build

(Vote): Roaches
(Vote): Nydus
(Vote): Roach + nydus
(Vote): Baneling bust
(Vote): Fast muta

Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:01 GMT
#222
On May 06 2021 19:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
THIS IS HOW IT STARTS!!!

And the game after the next one will be how it ends IMO.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
May 06 2021 11:01 GMT
#223
On May 06 2021 19:54 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

There was a gold 4th on previous map. Kind of a bad map.


Not really though, he was on 3 base saturation until like 10 minutes. If he doesn't deny the third like he did, he's pretty far behind.
serendipitous
Profile Joined November 2017
Canada195 Posts
May 06 2021 11:01 GMT
#224
On May 06 2021 20:00 Morbidius wrote:
Rogue seems unusually phased by this loss.

Isn't Rogue famous for raging and smashing his keyboard in the Jin Air house?
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:02 GMT
#225
On May 06 2021 20:01 Amumoman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 19:59 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:55 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

Are Maru's holds poor? He's doing basically as well as you can without scouting any earlier.

Game 2 was kind of unlucky but the others were not great tbh.

I'm not what Maru was supposed to do differently? His SCV pulls and tank spread was as good as you can ask for. He didn't exactly have time to get bunkers up

What Maru was supposed to do differently? He went 4 tax tank medivav production before 3rd CC and did 0 dmg to a 60 drone zerg - what happened after that wasnt what decided the game

I was refering to his defense, not his build order choices. The point was in that situation I'm not sure how Maru could have reacted better.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 06 2021 11:03 GMT
#226
Finally. I think this is over now and we'll get some other variety of games. It might still be some Rogue bully strats, but different.
And Maru still can turn this around. He is freaking Maru after all.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
May 06 2021 11:03 GMT
#227
On May 06 2021 19:55 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

Are Maru's holds poor? He's doing basically as well as you can without scouting any earlier.

His holds are always about as good as you can manage with terrible early games and no scouting
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
May 06 2021 11:03 GMT
#228
On May 06 2021 20:01 Narcind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 19:54 Poopi wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

There was a gold 4th on previous map. Kind of a bad map.


Not really though, he was on 3 base saturation until like 10 minutes. If he doesn't deny the third like he did, he's pretty far behind.

But the 3rd base is very hard to defend against roach ravager all-ins? He still had tanks in the back, pulled scvs, and it was not enough. If the map did not have this gold base Maru would probably be fine, he even delayed gold mining for so long yet it was not sufficient.
WriterMaru
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 06 2021 11:03 GMT
#229
On May 06 2021 20:01 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 19:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
THIS IS HOW IT STARTS!!!

And the game after the next one will be how it ends IMO.


Wash your mouth out with soap, how dare you say something like that.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
May 06 2021 11:04 GMT
#230
On May 06 2021 20:02 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:01 Amumoman wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:59 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:55 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

Are Maru's holds poor? He's doing basically as well as you can without scouting any earlier.

Game 2 was kind of unlucky but the others were not great tbh.

I'm not what Maru was supposed to do differently? His SCV pulls and tank spread was as good as you can ask for. He didn't exactly have time to get bunkers up

What Maru was supposed to do differently? He went 4 tax tank medivav production before 3rd CC and did 0 dmg to a 60 drone zerg - what happened after that wasnt what decided the game

I was refering to his defense, not his build order choices. The point was in that situation I'm not sure how Maru could have reacted better.


He could've probably commited harder to his initial push on Rogue's third since he was pretty much 2-base all-in anyway.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
May 06 2021 11:04 GMT
#231
On May 06 2021 20:02 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:01 Amumoman wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:59 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:55 Fango wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

Are Maru's holds poor? He's doing basically as well as you can without scouting any earlier.

Game 2 was kind of unlucky but the others were not great tbh.

I'm not what Maru was supposed to do differently? His SCV pulls and tank spread was as good as you can ask for. He didn't exactly have time to get bunkers up

What Maru was supposed to do differently? He went 4 tax tank medivav production before 3rd CC and did 0 dmg to a 60 drone zerg - what happened after that wasnt what decided the game

I was refering to his defense, not his build order choices. The point was in that situation I'm not sure how Maru could have reacted better.

That's kind of the nature of these type of roach builds though. It exploits bad luck/minute timings that rely on your opponent not quite being ready yet.
Its kinda gross and absolutely horrible from a spectator point of view but a good way to win against someone who's long game is better.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:04 GMT
#232
Now Maru bunker rush the next 3 games and win ok
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
May 06 2021 11:04 GMT
#233
On May 06 2021 20:00 Morbidius wrote:
Rogue seems unusually phased by this loss.


Yeah, he really wanted that 4:0. Might have only prepared 4 variations of this roach all-in and its obvious he does not really want to play a standard game with Maru, so he might be a bit scared now.
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:06 GMT
#234
Oh no it's jagannatha and romanticide next? It's 1000% over for Maru.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1920 Posts
May 06 2021 11:06 GMT
#235
On May 06 2021 20:06 Fango wrote:
Oh no it's jagannatha and romanticide next? It's 1000% over for Maru.


It's over when it's over.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
May 06 2021 11:07 GMT
#236
On May 06 2021 20:04 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:00 Morbidius wrote:
Rogue seems unusually phased by this loss.


Yeah, he really wanted that 4:0. Might have only prepared 4 variations of this roach all-in and its obvious he does not really want to play a standard game with Maru, so he might be a bit scared now.


I highly doubt that. Rogue seems among the best players when it comes to preparation, he'll surely have something prepared for the rest of the series. So far, Rogue controlled the entire course of events and if that continues, I don't see Maru coming back. Wouldn't even be opposed to some cheesy strats by Maru to throw Rogue off.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 06 2021 11:08 GMT
#237
Do players have access to the replays after the game ends? As in could Maru check that Rogue is being super safe with drone scouting?
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
May 06 2021 11:08 GMT
#238
On May 06 2021 20:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
THIS IS HOW IT STARTS!!!

And the game after the next one will be how it ends IMO.


Wash your mouth out with soap, how dare you say something like that.

I gave Maru the victory on Jaganatha, what else do you wantg?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
May 06 2021 11:09 GMT
#239
On May 06 2021 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
On May 06 2021 20:01 deacon.frost wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:59 Vindicare605 wrote:
THIS IS HOW IT STARTS!!!

And the game after the next one will be how it ends IMO.


Wash your mouth out with soap, how dare you say something like that.

I gave Maru the victory on Jaganatha, what else do you wantg?


FAITH! I WANT YOU TO HAVE FAITH!
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
May 06 2021 11:09 GMT
#240
On May 06 2021 20:03 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2021 20:01 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Poopi wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:54 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:49 Swisslink wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:48 Narcind wrote:
On May 06 2021 19:46 Heartland wrote:
I am not following too closely, is Maru playing poorly or Rogue playing well?


It's more so Maru dying to roach ravager all ins than Rogue playing extraordinary or anything


I would argue Rogue does, what he's doing, pretty much perfectly though.


Absolutely, he's executing it well, but it's still just a roach ravager all in off 3 base saturation, there's not that much to it other than Maru having kinda poor holds

There was a gold 4th on previous map. Kind of a bad map.


Not really though, he was on 3 base saturation until like 10 minutes. If he doesn't deny the third like he did, he's pretty far behind.

But the 3rd base is very hard to defend against roach ravager all-ins? He still had tanks in the back, pulled scvs, and it was not enough. If the map did not have this gold base Maru would probably be fine, he even delayed gold mining for so long yet it was not sufficient.


It was the nydus that ended up deciding the game, Maru just lost way too much to it
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