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Obamarauder
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Argonauta
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On April 08 2021 18:50 sudete wrote: Even by Maru v "other korean" standards, this is very biased casting naah they are jsut reacting to a new build, its not TY, sOs, Zest, Stats or Rogue at least. | ||
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Legan
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Javah
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deacon.frost
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sudete
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Argonauta
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swarminfestor
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DarkGamer
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really well played by both. | ||
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Argonauta
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On April 08 2021 19:07 DarkGamer wrote: I like tasteless and artosis but this game was a great miss-cast. solar really played a great early and a decent midgame (only the creep spread was medicore through the harashment). the casters really didnt cast the game the way it was going. im very suprised how well solar got into the lategame beside maru was doing decent damage in the midgame. really well played by both. I don't know, Solar went done a lot of drones and Maru match solar in expansions and up to 99 scvs. Usually thats a good sign for a T | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2021 19:07 DarkGamer wrote: I like tasteless and artosis but this game was a great miss-cast. solar really played a great early and a decent midgame (only the creep spread was medicore through the harashment). the casters really didnt cast the game the way it was going. im very suprised how well solar got into the lategame beside maru was doing decent damage in the midgame. really well played by both. The casters didn't catch Solar losing 25 drones at once either yet it wasn't enough. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
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Argonauta
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Nakajin
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HeroSandro
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On April 08 2021 19:47 Javah wrote: Maru's style in TvZ is so hard to play, I wonder if he ended up playing this way because of his injury but it doesn't seem lighter than the regular one on hands & shoulders and you have to grind Z into resources depletion every other game... it may be the better style at that level though as the top Zergs like Dark, Reynor, Serral or even Solar on a good day seem almost impenetrable against midgame-pushes | ||
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Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
On April 08 2021 19:53 Charoisaur wrote: it may be the better style at that level though as the top Zergs like Dark, Reynor, Serral or even Solar on a good day seem almost impenetrable against midgame-pushes As it's Maru's choice one would tend to agree but it seems so borderline impossible to do... Only ghosts have energy while you have to fight against free units (broodlings) and vipers/infestors. Sure one good nuke can turn tides (hi IEM Solar) but one positional or micro mistake and you're done. Very impressive to watch from both players involved and it really looks like a battle of will but holy shit! | ||
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Argonauta
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Denmark1218 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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swarminfestor
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 08 2021 19:47 Javah wrote: Maru's style in TvZ is so hard to play, I wonder if he ended up playing this way because of his injury but it doesn't seem lighter than the regular one on hands & shoulders and you have to grind Z into resources depletion every other game... It is not lighter on actions, but it is lighter on mouse movement compared to good ol' bio pushes imho. | ||
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Javah
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darklycid
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On April 08 2021 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote: It is not lighter on actions, but it is lighter on mouse movement compared to good ol' bio pushes imho. Yeah the control is obv hard but those armies donmt fuck up your wrists as much as you dont need to be as 'speedy', which is why (i think) dark also switched to the more technical lurker armies in zvt instead of the speedy ling bane amries. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2021 19:47 Javah wrote: Maru's style in TvZ is so hard to play, I wonder if he ended up playing this way because of his injury but it doesn't seem lighter than the regular one on hands & shoulders and you have to grind Z into resources depletion every other game... He did try to break Solar early with the hellbat, it just didn't work so he decided to grind it out, I don't think it's a bad decision, opening up the game with harass and pushing the pace of the game doesn't seem to work anymore as a way to come back zerg have gotten to good. | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
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tigera6
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Javah
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
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Vindicare605
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Argonauta
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:16 MarianoSC2 wrote: What the hell is this lol THIS! IS! TVT!!! /kick | ||
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Denmark1218 Posts
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Argonauta
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Damn it, I missed Maru Solar. That was the one I wanted to see. Oh well this group is still stacked and I'll get to see at least one more Solar TvZ if not two. Cure will be demolished by Solar if "online" Cure doesn't appear. | ||
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tigera6
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
I hope Maru and Solar advance although I've LBd Cure | ||
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Nakajin
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Hider
Denmark9408 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:00 lolfail9001 wrote: It is not lighter on actions, but it is lighter on mouse movement compared to good ol' bio pushes imho. I think it's very a different skillset from the one terran normally practices. Most terrans have historically gotten success by playing a fast-paced game and outplaying the opponent in terms of multitasking and micro in the midgame. However, beating Lurkers late-game requires a completely different mindset. You don't want to trade armies, instead you want to play a more controlled and "strategically" well-thought out game while being good at using multiple different control groups. When terrans complain about lurkers imba, what they really are saying is that "it's imba when I am am trading armies". But lurkers are not imba if you play a defensive style and get a critical mass of siege tanks. But terran players are just not attempting to learn that playstyle because their mindset is so determined to just attack-attack - that's what TvZ has been for 10 years. I think eventually all terrans need to learn that playstyle - it's either that or they need to be so superior in the early midgame (as Clem is) that they generate significant enough leads in that stage of the game. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Javah
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
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MarianoSC2
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nojok
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
Maru pushed Dream into a desperate all in maneuver but was being so greedy behind it, that he died to it. | ||
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Argonauta
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:44 Vindicare605 wrote: Definition of outclassed. Same exact build TOTALLY different results. game 1 (dream got "outclassed") or game 2 (maru got "outlcassed")? xD | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:49 DarkGamer wrote: game 1 (dream got "outclassed") or game 2 (maru got "outlcassed")? xD Maru outclassed Dream into being rolled over by reapers because marines suck  | ||
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Obamarauder
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MarianoSC2
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Argonauta
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tigera6
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:00 Argonauta wrote: Maru is going to crush Hurricane next I feel like Hurricane will have an epic pvz in the quarter first, then get destroyed in 30 minute by Maru | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
That's why you don't do that vs Zerg. | ||
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Javah
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:11 Nakajin wrote: I feel like Hurricane will have an epic pvz in the quarter first, then get destroyed in 30 minute by Maru he faces Maru in the ro8 though | ||
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darklycid
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On April 08 2021 21:12 deacon.frost wrote: Cure already into 3rd CC, his photo will be next to the greed word in a dictionary Is there even place left between all those bomber and marineking pics? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:17 darklycid wrote: Is there even place left between all those bomber and marineking pics? New release with more relevant pictures. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
Is it set in stone? Edit: oh it is, I forgot GSL didn't do draw for playoff bracket | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
It's on Liquipedia, so yes. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
First place of Group B plays second place of Group A and vice versa. Same deal with groups D and C. It always works that way doesn't it? Ever since they started doing Group Selections which was AGES ago. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
I've never liked this map, not since I first laid eyes on it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:25 Vindicare605 wrote: First place of Group B plays second place of Group A and vice versa. Same deal with groups D and C. It always works that way doesn't it? Ever since they started doing Group Selections which was AGES ago. im starting to think Nakajin didn't realize that Hurricane already advanced :D | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:28 deacon.frost wrote: im starting to think Nakajin didn't realize that Hurricane already advanced :D To be fair, I don't blame him if he hadn't checked Group A's results, I don't expect anyone would have predicted that. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
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Poopi
France12906 Posts
reverse curse so I am probably fine | ||
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JustPassingBy
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deacon.frost
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Argonauta
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Javah
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:28 deacon.frost wrote: im starting to think Nakajin didn't realize that Hurricane already advanced :D Nah I had just forgot GSL didn't do draw for the playoff. As an excuse I recently switch from an evening shift to a normal shift, so watching GSL is a new luxury for me | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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buzz_bender
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On April 08 2021 21:28 Vindicare605 wrote: Ugh I hate that this map is FINALLY out of the ladder map pool but is still plaguing GSL. I've never liked this map, not since I first laid eyes on it. Which map are you referring to? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:40 deacon.frost wrote: Solar used all his ZvT mojo against Maru IEM Katowice all over again. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16109 Posts
Pillars of Gold. Good riddance to that map. | ||
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stilt
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whiterabbit
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Starecat
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Played almost 24 hours to qualify for a tournament he lost early on and this series. | ||
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lolfail9001
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Argonauta
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On April 08 2021 21:43 Vindicare605 wrote: Pillars of Gold. Good riddance to that map. I think it's a great map but yeah... I've gotten sick of it too | ||
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Obamarauder
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tigera6
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On April 08 2021 20:25 Hider wrote: I think it's very a different skillset from the one terran normally practices. Most terrans have historically gotten success by playing a fast-paced game and outplaying the opponent in terms of multitasking and micro in the midgame. However, beating Lurkers late-game requires a completely different mindset. You don't want to trade armies, instead you want to play a more controlled and "strategically" well-thought out game while being good at using multiple different control groups. When terrans complain about lurkers imba, what they really are saying is that "it's imba when I am am trading armies". But lurkers are not imba if you play a defensive style and get a critical mass of siege tanks. But terran players are just not attempting to learn that playstyle because their mindset is so determined to just attack-attack - that's what TvZ has been for 10 years. I think eventually all terrans need to learn that playstyle - it's either that or they need to be so superior in the early midgame (as Clem is) that they generate significant enough leads in that stage of the game. I think only Maru is capable of playing that defensive turtle style and suceed with it. His game sense is incredible and always match the tech choice with the Zerg almost instantly. Like making Tanks before Lurker is out, and then Ghost before Viper is out, and switch to Thor & Viking before Brood Lord reach critical mass. It take great experience and set-up to pull that off and I havent seen that style done much by other Terran players. The drawback for this is sometimes Maru getting way too passive in this match, mostly spend time to set up defense, while he could have done more damage by pushing in the front. Like that game 1 vs Solar, Maru was matching base economy to the Zerg, and could have made an army to push and kill Solar in mid-game. He instead chose to stay behind and turtle up, allowing Solar to take more of the map and get up on economy. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On April 08 2021 20:25 Hider wrote: I think it's very a different skillset from the one terran normally practices. Most terrans have historically gotten success by playing a fast-paced game and outplaying the opponent in terms of multitasking and micro in the midgame. However, beating Lurkers late-game requires a completely different mindset. You don't want to trade armies, instead you want to play a more controlled and "strategically" well-thought out game while being good at using multiple different control groups. When terrans complain about lurkers imba, what they really are saying is that "it's imba when I am am trading armies". But lurkers are not imba if you play a defensive style and get a critical mass of siege tanks. But terran players are just not attempting to learn that playstyle because their mindset is so determined to just attack-attack - that's what TvZ has been for 10 years. I think eventually all terrans need to learn that playstyle - it's either that or they need to be so superior in the early midgame (as Clem is) that they generate significant enough leads in that stage of the game. You would be correct if lurkers werent mobile. If you look at all the seige units in starcraft, lurkers are the most complete unit. Durable, fast and instant unburrow repositioning, good range, insane dps and requires detection. Literally the only downside is they cant shoot up. Combine that with the overall mobility and map presence of zerg,it is just way too hard for terran to cover more than 4 bases. | ||
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