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On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote: Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top. he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick. but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military. Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?! 5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week. So yes.
They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.
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On November 30 2020 05:44 Charoisaur wrote: Maru looks tired Maybe ByuN has worse wrists, but better nolifer style, so he's more used to them late hours?
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what time is in korea? 4am? no wonder he is tired
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On November 30 2020 05:45 NotSoHappy wrote: what time is in korea? 4am? no wonder he is tired 5:45 :p
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On November 30 2020 05:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote: Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top. he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick. but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military. Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?! 5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week. So yes. They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing. LotV rewards multitasking more so it looks like they play "better" but I think back then they were more refined and did less sloppy mistakes
to name one example I don't see players splitting nowadays as well as Dream did back then
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Did just Maru wounded 3 SCVs on purpose to kill more with the drop? And casters missed it?
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On November 30 2020 05:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote: Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top. he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick. but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military. Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?! 5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week. So yes. They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing. Innovation 2013 Bio/Mine TvZ is still the best iteration of it 7 years later.
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On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote: Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games. The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good. Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote: TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted? Yes Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted. Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though. Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta
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On November 30 2020 05:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote: Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games. The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good. On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote: TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted? Yes Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted. Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though. Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta sOs the best example around?
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I have to say; I care substantially less for this TvT than I did for the TvZ's we got earlier
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On November 30 2020 05:50 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote: Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games. The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good. On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote: TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted? Yes Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted. Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though. Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta They were hitting rock bottom before the others but it was way more efficient when Dustin Browder was in charge.
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Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.
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On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. by playing better
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On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. UNBELIEVABLE. Maru played Reynor 7 times and won 5 times(this game included). Whou would have thought he can do it...
Edit> ByuN is 3:1 against Serral UNBELIEVABLE
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On November 30 2020 05:27 dbRic1203 wrote: I d love to see Byun win this now, only for the sake of All the other millitary returners. It would be a beakon of hope for Players like Classic, Soo or Hero.
Byun's occupation in the army allowed him to train more and better. DRG's example is probably more fitting!
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On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. Koreans care about Asus
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On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. Turns out foreigner starcraft has hit even rockier bottoms
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On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. Byun got ahead with some interesting builds and mindgames, Maru just looked better when he played straight up.
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On November 30 2020 05:56 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote: Missed every single game before the finals.
Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens. UNBELIEVABLE. Maru played Reynor 7 times and won 5 times(this game included). Whou would have thought he can do it...
The guy is a troll if you didn't realize it. Counting series that took place when Maru was a much better player than Reynor are misleading, they are 1-1 in 2020.
EDIT: Byun and Hurricane are the ONLY active koreans who are ahead of Serral in the h2h(I am not considering Bomber or TaeJa); isn't that more unbelievable?
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