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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 29 2020 20:42 GMT
#921
On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote:
Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top.

he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments

True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick.

but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military.


Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?!

5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week.
So yes.


They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16078 Posts
November 29 2020 20:44 GMT
#922
Maru looks tired
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 29 2020 20:45 GMT
#923
On November 30 2020 05:44 Charoisaur wrote:
Maru looks tired

Maybe ByuN has worse wrists, but better nolifer style, so he's more used to them late hours?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
November 29 2020 20:45 GMT
#924
what time is in korea? 4am? no wonder he is tired
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28530 Posts
November 29 2020 20:46 GMT
#925
On November 30 2020 05:45 NotSoHappy wrote:
what time is in korea? 4am? no wonder he is tired

5:45 :p
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16078 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-29 20:48:40
November 29 2020 20:47 GMT
#926
On November 30 2020 05:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote:
Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top.

he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments

True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick.

but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military.


Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?!

5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week.
So yes.


They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.

LotV rewards multitasking more so it looks like they play "better" but I think back then they were more refined and did less sloppy mistakes

to name one example I don't see players splitting nowadays as well as Dream did back then
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 29 2020 20:48 GMT
#927
Did just Maru wounded 3 SCVs on purpose to kill more with the drop? And casters missed it?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-29 20:52:13
November 29 2020 20:49 GMT
#928
On November 30 2020 05:42 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:38 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:35 ilax30 wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:21 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:19 Charoisaur wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:18 darklycid wrote:
Is it rly so confusing that byun rises so quickly again? I mean his 2016 was basically him coming back after disappearing for 4 years and just being on top.

he only disappeared from offline play though. He was dominating online cups for 1 year before he started signing up for offline tournaments

True but still he basically then 2015 came back from disappearing and just was onm top of his game really quick.

but people told me we're in the highest skilled era ever and all players are constantly improving so it's surprising that he closes the gap this quickly after returning from military.


Byun wwas actively playing in the weekends still, had multiple accounts in the top10 months before he officially returned.. But do you actually think 5+ years ago players were better?!?!

5 years ago was 2015 which was the peak of the korean scene where they played Proleague every week.
So yes.


They played quite a bit worse back then even if the scene was more vigorous. It's the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.

Innovation 2013 Bio/Mine TvZ is still the best iteration of it 7 years later.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
November 29 2020 20:50 GMT
#929
On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote:
Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games.


The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good.

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On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:
TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted?

Yes

Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe

I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted.

Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army


Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though.

Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 29 2020 20:51 GMT
#930
On November 30 2020 05:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote:
Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games.


The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good.

On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:
TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted?

Yes

Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe

I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted.

Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army


Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though.

Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta

sOs the best example around?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28530 Posts
November 29 2020 20:53 GMT
#931
I have to say; I care substantially less for this TvT than I did for the TvZ's we got earlier
I Protoss winner, could it be?
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
November 29 2020 20:54 GMT
#932
On November 30 2020 05:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:38 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:36 nojok wrote:
Tbh, PvP wouldn't be missed, PvZ and PvT are only saved by the fact ZvZ exists and lowers the bar, TvZ and TvT are producing the best games.


The PvTs we got this tournament were quite good.

On November 30 2020 05:37 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:34 darklycid wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:32 Penev wrote:
On November 30 2020 05:31 Charoisaur wrote:
TvT finals? Should the baneling nerf be reverted?

Yes

Also a Protoss nerf of some sort is recommended. Better be safe

I mean everyone asked in this tournament said protoss is imba, i think a nerf is warranted.

Maybe the issue is at the Protoss player level. Protoss lost the most skill IMO in the army


Protoss was barely winning anything even before they lost all those players to the army though.

Protoss players just stopped caring before it was meta

They were hitting rock bottom before the others but it was way more efficient when Dustin Browder was in charge.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
serralfan18
Profile Joined March 2020
99 Posts
November 29 2020 20:54 GMT
#933
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16078 Posts
November 29 2020 20:55 GMT
#934
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

by playing better
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-29 20:58:21
November 29 2020 20:56 GMT
#935
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

UNBELIEVABLE. Maru played Reynor 7 times and won 5 times(this game included). Whou would have thought he can do it...

Edit> ByuN is 3:1 against Serral UNBELIEVABLE
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 29 2020 20:56 GMT
#936
On November 30 2020 05:27 dbRic1203 wrote:
I d love to see Byun win this now, only for the sake of All the other millitary returners. It would be a beakon of hope for Players like Classic, Soo or Hero.


Byun's occupation in the army allowed him to train more and better. DRG's example is probably more fitting!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28530 Posts
November 29 2020 20:56 GMT
#937
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

Koreans care about Asus
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 29 2020 20:57 GMT
#938
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

Turns out foreigner starcraft has hit even rockier bottoms
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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
November 29 2020 20:57 GMT
#939
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

Byun got ahead with some interesting builds and mindgames, Maru just looked better when he played straight up.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-29 21:03:16
November 29 2020 21:00 GMT
#940
On November 30 2020 05:56 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2020 05:54 serralfan18 wrote:
Missed every single game before the finals.

Anyone know how Byun beat Serral and Maru beat Reynor? Seems unbelievable but shit happens.

UNBELIEVABLE. Maru played Reynor 7 times and won 5 times(this game included). Whou would have thought he can do it...


The guy is a troll if you didn't realize it.
Counting series that took place when Maru was a much better player than Reynor are misleading, they are 1-1 in 2020.

EDIT: Byun and Hurricane are the ONLY active koreans who are ahead of Serral in the h2h(I am not considering Bomber or TaeJa); isn't that more unbelievable?

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