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GSL Code S
Global StarCraft II League/2020/Season 3Streams & Casters
Format
- Playoffs:
- Single-elimination bracket.
- Quarterfinals are Bo5.
- Semifinals are Bo
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Quarterfinals
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[GSL 2020] Code S - Quarterfinals - Day 2
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
Poll: Armani vs Zest Zest Wins (24) Armani Wins (12) 36 total votes Your vote: Armani vs Zest | ||
Poopi
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
Also curious to see how Armani does. Zest feels like the most beatable ro8 opponent for him but Zest is still a massive favorite. Armani ZvPing his way to a GSL victory would be hilarious too. | ||
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ilax30
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On October 17 2020 07:14 JJH777 wrote: Can't decide if I want Protoss to finally win something or if I want Maru to cement his GOAT status further. Either result of Trap/Maru will be great. Also curious to see how Armani does. Zest feels like the most beatable ro8 opponent for him but Zest is still a massive favorite. Armani ZvPing his way to a GSL victory would be hilarious too. "cement his goat status further" It has to be cemented in the first place, which it isnt at all.. | ||
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dysenterymd
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deacon.frost
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Warcloud
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Argonauta
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On October 17 2020 07:36 ilax30 wrote: "cement his goat status further" It has to be cemented in the first place, which it isnt at all.. wait what? | ||
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Gescom
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ssg
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mierin
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On October 17 2020 10:48 GuybrushThreepwood wrote: The winner of match 1 has a very high likelyhood of getting toasted by the winner of match 2 in the semifinals. Winner of match 2 is the favorite to win the tournament. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:07 Morbidius wrote: Winner of match 2 is the favorite to win the tournament. You think Trap beats TY or Stats in a series? | ||
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geokilla
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TentativePanda
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:07 Morbidius wrote: Winner of match 2 is the favorite to win the tournament. until zest makes it out, beats trap and stats in ridiculous pvp en route to championship | ||
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seemsgood
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
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geokilla
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:25 Seeker wrote: Someone help me out here. Did Blizzard not go through with the change of turning a mothership into a superhero unit so that it can't get grappled by a viper? they dont even consider that idea at first | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:25 Seeker wrote: Someone help me out here. Did Blizzard not go through with the change of turning a mothership into a superhero unit so that it can't get grappled by a viper? mothership can still get abducted sadly | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:25 Seeker wrote: Someone help me out here. Did Blizzard not go through with the change of turning a mothership into a superhero unit so that it can't get grappled by a viper? They made it so it can't get neuraled--it can still get abducted. | ||
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geokilla
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BerserkSword
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote: They made it so it can't get neuraled--it can still get abducted. Ooohhh... It's immune to neural but it can still get abducted... That's such bullshit, lol... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:25 Seeker wrote: Someone help me out here. Did Blizzard not go through with the change of turning a mothership into a superhero unit so that it can't get grappled by a viper? The 'hero' tag only means it can't get neural'ed. Also did Zest's zealot run-by actually kill more than the maxed skytoss-archon-storm recall? | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:28 geokilla wrote: Lmao Pinnacle is gonna blacklist Zest again. Let you guys know if my bet gets refunded. Yeah I didn't want to be the one who said it.... but this game probably deserves a blacklist | ||
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Zambrah
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Fango
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geokilla
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
imagine zest getting ling flooded in game 2... | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:31 TentativePanda wrote: Yeah I didn't want to be the one who said it.... but this game probably deserves a blacklist Sadly I bet on the whole best of 5, not individual game. | ||
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WTCO
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lolfail9001
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Then i see this and realize why exactly Zest shined the brightest during KeSPA era: dude needs to practice a whole lot. Like, forcefully. | ||
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geokilla
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seemsgood
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On October 17 2020 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Zest did say a quick 3-0 and then he goes home early. so this is what he meant :[ | ||
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JJH777
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Morbidius
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:45 swarminfestor wrote: I might lost liquidbet again. You're not alone, my friend. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:46 Morbidius wrote: Zest was definitely the biggest victim of the kespa collapse. His play is all over the place and you can't ever figure out if he's good or not. Zest could have practiced with his Zerg and Protoss friends though. He's part of the clique. I'd be shocked if he had no practice partners. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Die4Ever
United States17665 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:47 geokilla wrote: Zest could have practiced with his Zerg and Protoss friends though. He's part of the clique. I'd be shocked if he had no practice partners. There's a monumental amount more pressure and structure on a kespa team. Some people benefit from that | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:48 Die4Ever wrote: omfg Zest let the lings in lol Don't understand why he cancelled the shade. He's dead. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:49 geokilla wrote: Don't understand why he cancelled the shade. He's dead. That's why. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
just play normal ok ? | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
Armani droning instead of building army was the reason for the loss there. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:51 geokilla wrote: Armani droning instead of building army was the reason for the loss there. Exactly: he convinced Armani he was dead. Thus, he won. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:51 seemsgood wrote: fucking thanks you just play normal ok ? You say that but the first two games were 100% winnable, he messed up the recall strategy up in the first, and forgot storm in the second. This game was on Armani messing up more than anything. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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RKC
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:54 Zambrah wrote: I swear to god if all of the Protoss Winning Karma is used on fucking Zest vs. Armani and Trap goes down against Maru I am going to be the most salted pretzel of all time I honestly see this exact scenario happening. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:54 Zambrah wrote: I swear to god if all of the Protoss Winning Karma is used on fucking Zest vs. Armani and Trap goes down against Maru I am going to be the most salted pretzel of all time stats tho | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Zest did say a quick 3-0 and then he goes home early. ayyyy | ||
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Russano
United States425 Posts
Game 1 was also winnable. You could tell Zests lategame plan is specifically to carrier/void/templar max and then recall and fight with no static D and with the zerg out of position but he botched it completely. VR strat seems perfectly fine, Zest is just making shitty Zest plays which ruin stuff. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
Stats will lose to Zest in a really, REALLY bad PvP finals, creating the truest form of the GSL. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:53 Fango wrote: You say that but the first two games were 100% winnable, he messed up the recall strategy up in the first, and forgot storm in the second. This game was on Armani messing up more than anything. I guess we are getting a rerun of Stats vs Inno then? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:54 RKC wrote: I am having trouble building a mental image of the games from this LR. Clown fiesta Zest is truly beyond definition. He's humanity's only hope against AlphaSC2. No machine learning can see him coming! AlphaStar did manage to lose against a diamond player massing pfs and ravens, so that sounds about right. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 17 2020 13:54 RKC wrote: I am having trouble building a mental image of the games from this LR. Clown fiesta Zest is truly beyond definition. He's humanity's only hope against AlphaSC2. No machine learning can see him coming! i legit lol'd game 1 strategy wise it's like some diamond protoss playing ladder drunk af | ||
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dysenterymd
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:03 dysenterymd wrote: Zest wins this game and either wins or loses game 5 with a dumb adept all in, making this truly a PvZ for our times. Pretty much this. | ||
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Argonauta
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Zambrah
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Seeker
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geokilla
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ZigguratOfUr
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On October 17 2020 14:09 NoS-Craig wrote: Trap should beat Maru. Not sure why people are worried. Because people watched their series in the King of Battles tournament. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:10 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Because people watched their series in the King of Battles tournament. Seriously. Am really worried for Maru  | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:09 NoS-Craig wrote: Trap should beat Maru. Not sure why people are worried. Trap definitely beats Maru on paper, but counting Maru out or not being worried for Trap is bizarre. His matches against PartinG and Stats in the last round are some of the best TvP he's ever played. And he beat Trap in a bo5 last week. | ||
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[Phantom]
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And now we're stuck with it in their current state for forever. | ||
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mikedupp
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Good for Armani taking advantage of Zest trying to style. | ||
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Argonauta
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:14 [Phantom] wrote: .... Can i just say Zerg is the most ridiculous race? And now we're stuck with it in their current state for forever. 1 gate fast expand will no longer be a thing. Bring back 1 base 4 gate all in! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:14 Fango wrote: You have to be kidding me, why does that shit work Why wouldn't it? Fairly certain shit like this is the main reason FFE was the main Protoss FEe build vZ for at least 15 years. | ||
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Seeker
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
Zest deserves to lose to this. It's a free bye for Maru but it's a good win for Armani. In the future people shouldn't be taking him for granted anymore. | ||
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slant
Romania95 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:14 Fango wrote: You have to be kidding me, why does that shit work It doesn't, not often. You'd be surprised. GG congratz to Armani. Zest played poorly in the first two games, and Armani seems very passionate. Happy for him. | ||
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dysenterymd
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Zest this is what you get for fucking around with some unproven shit for 2 games in a row. You gave yourself no wiggle room vs shit like this. Zest deserves to lose to this. It's a free bye for Maru but it's a good win for Armani. In the future people shouldn't be taking him for granted anymore. I mean, Zest lost first 2 games entirely on his own sloppy play rather than build being 'unproven'. Because this build is literally what got him into Ro8. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:16 dysenterymd wrote: Semis are going to be free for the winner of Trap vs Maru. thats what zest though and look... LOOK! xD | ||
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mikedupp
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On October 17 2020 14:16 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, Zest lost first 2 games entirely on his own sloppy play rather than build being 'unproven'. Because this build is literally what got him into Ro8. That triple Stargate stuff was not going to work again | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:16 dysenterymd wrote: Semis are going to be free for the winner of Trap vs Maru. Bold to ever assume a ZvP is a free win for the Toss. And Armani beat cure this season. Maru would be a massive favorite but nothing is impossible. | ||
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dysenterymd
1199 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:16 Argonauta wrote: thats what zest though and look... LOOK! xD True, but I expect Trap to not make basic execution errors and that's what lost Zest this series. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 mikedupp wrote: That triple Stargate stuff was not going to work again There's an argument to be made it could have easily worked in first 2 games had Zest not commit such questionable blunders on both the momma recall and forgetting storm. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1679 Posts
Most free semis ever for maru or trap Enjoy your round of 16 exit next season Armani User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:14 [Phantom] wrote: .... Can i just say Zerg is the most ridiculous race? And now we're stuck with it in their current state for forever. should protoss have a door ? On October 17 2020 14:14 Fango wrote: You have to be kidding me, why does that shit work should protoss have a courtyard ? On October 17 2020 14:14 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Literally the exact same build on the exact same map that he lost against Solar. should protoss have a jacuzzi ? i dont know kev... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:15 Vindicare605 wrote: Zest this is what you get for fucking around with some unproven shit for 2 games in a row. You gave yourself no wiggle room vs shit like this. There was nothing unproven about what Zest did in g1/2. He had two or three game winning recalls set up that be bungled in g1, in g2 he forgot storm and Armani scouted him chrono'ing the Archives two minutes late so just went all-in on lingbane hydra. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 ShowTheLights wrote: Fuck Armani ohh come on! fuck you! the guy has been playing starcraft a lot and this is his best result. Cant you be happy for a person success? | ||
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slant
Romania95 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 JJH777 wrote: Bold to ever assume a ZvP is a free win for the Toss. And Armani beat cure this season. Maru would be a massive favorite but nothing is impossible. Offline Cure is 1000 MMR worse than online Cure, and imo ZvP isn't in anywhere near as bad as a spot for toss as people seem to think. I'd be surprised if Armani could take a game; Maru and Trap are just on a different level from Zest right now. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2716 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 ShowTheLights wrote: Fuck Armani Most free semis ever for maru or trap Enjoy your round of 16 exit next season Armani ban inc lol | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 ShowTheLights wrote: Fuck Armani Most free semis ever for maru or trap Enjoy your round of 16 exit next season Armani Such a hater lol. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:17 JJH777 wrote: Bold to ever assume a ZvP is a free win for the Toss. And Armani beat cure this season. Maru would be a massive favorite but nothing is impossible. Nah Maru vs Armani in a GSL bo7 is the most sure win in the history of sc2. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:18 Fango wrote: There was nothing unproven about what Zest did in g1/2. He had two or three game winning recalls set up that be bungled in g1, in g2 he forgot storm and Armani scouted him chrono'ing the Archives two minutes late so just went all-in on lingbane hydra. I don't think Skytoss is very good in PvZ, regardless of whether the build is executed well or not. Zerg is literally given the ability to drone for free and completely bypass the early and mid game. Late game is Zerg favoured and we all saw what happened in late game ZvP during King of Battles. Creep spread being a form of map hack doesn't help too because the Skytoss army is slow and mass Spores basically shuts it down. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:20 Morbidius wrote: Well Armani said it himself, ''I'm never beating Maru, but there's a chance i could beat Trap''. And Aligulac agrees. Armani has never beaten Maru, but is actually pretty close to 50/50 against Trap. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:15 Seeker wrote: Wow... Just... Wow... Zest... You're on Game 5... And you never even once thought about the possibility that Armani would try to all-in you...? What would you say he needed to do differently? Have a probe at his wall? I feel like with the series on the line you can't afford to put yourself behind to be safe. Especially when Armani beat Zest in straight up games one and two. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:23 Monochromatic wrote: What would you say he needed to do differently? Have a probe at his wall? I feel like with the series on the line you can't afford to put yourself behind to be safe. Agree with this take. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:23 Monochromatic wrote: What would you say he needed to do differently? Have a probe at his wall? I feel like with the series on the line you can't afford to put yourself behind to be safe. Scout more. For whatever reason, there's no Probe scouting in PvZ after the initial drone. At least with Terran we keep the Reaper active to try and get more info. | ||
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dysenterymd
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:22 geokilla wrote: I don't think Skytoss is very good in PvZ, regardless of whether the build is executed well or not. Zerg is literally given the ability to drone for free and completely bypass the early and mid game. Late game is Zerg favoured and we all saw what happened in late game ZvP during King of Battles. Creep spread being a form of map hack doesn't help too because the Skytoss army is slow and mass Spores basically shuts it down. Sure, but in these games anyway, Zest had some great chances and blew them with a bunch of weird blunders. That first recall onto a patch of lurkers/spores, and then setting up a double recall at the 5th and blowing it. As for forgetting storm, that was just dumb. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:24 geokilla wrote: Scout more. For whatever reason, there's no Probe scouting in PvZ after the initial drone. At least with Terran we keep the Reaper active to try and get more info. beacuase the probe gets killed by a ling and the reaper can scout safe until ling speed? | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:25 Argonauta wrote: beacuase the probe gets killed by a ling and the reaper can scout safe until ling speed? Yeah that's pretty much a "guy in the chat" take. | ||
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Russano
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:29 Russano wrote: Pretty much need to attempt to scout specifically with the ling flood in mind. Keep the probe alive to keep an eye on zergling movement til the adept gets there. If you see a 9th ling or a lack of drones its pants shitting time. well thats meta for you, if drone drill rush becomes a usual thing, tosses will make the adjustments necessary to collect the free win and then the rush will get out of fashion | ||
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Meadowlark
United States349 Posts
ShowTheLights Profile Blog PM Joined June 2012 Korea (South)1492 Posts Last Edited: 2020-10-17 01:18:51 12 minutes ago #130 Fuck Armani Most free semis ever for maru or trap Enjoy your round of 16 exit next season Armani •••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy gonna post this in two threads like you did after the round of 16? | ||
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Monochromatic
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:34 Monochromatic wrote: I think Maru can win this and he's looked so good lately, but I really want a protoss champion and I think this is our best shot. Pretty much how I feel. :D | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:34 Monochromatic wrote: I think Maru can win this and he's looked so good lately, but I really want a protoss champion and I think this is our best shot. I really want a Protoss champion(especially if its Trap) but i can't say i want it more than Maru's G5L. | ||
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Sorusaba
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:36 Zambrah wrote: COME ON TRAP YOU HAVE EARNED YOUR WAY INTO MY PROTOSS HEART Dirty Z fan here but yes I want Trap to take it too! | ||
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Morbidius
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:40 serralfan18 wrote: Missed Zest vs Armani. Did Armani just get lucky and hardcore cheese Zest? It was a cool series in general. Both sides had shennanigans. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:40 serralfan18 wrote: Missed Zest vs Armani. Did Armani just get lucky and hardcore cheese Zest? Zest bungled the first two games with rookie mistakes, won the next two after some gambles by Armani, then Armani went for a supercheese in game 5 to win. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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dysenterymd
1199 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:40 serralfan18 wrote: Missed Zest vs Armani. Did Armani just get lucky and hardcore cheese Zest? Zest executed terribly in the first two games and lost, won with adepts, defended a twelve pool and maintained his lead, and then got cheesed out in game 5. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:39 mierin wrote: Dirty Z fan here but yes I want Trap to take it too! That meme of the two extremely muscular arms grasping hands but one arm says Z and the other arm says P is my response | ||
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:40 serralfan18 wrote: Missed Zest vs Armani. Did Armani just get lucky and hardcore cheese Zest? Zest played like crap first two games (forgot storm and had a bunch of useless HTs in g2 in particular). Zes won g3, Armani 12 pooled g4 and lost to glaives, g5 was armani doing the drone drill ling all in and Zest didn't have a door. | ||
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dysenterymd
1199 Posts
Like sure, Armani did have to beat Zest and DRG did have to beat Inno, but for a huge underdog beating one top tier player vs beating several is a huge difference in terms of probability. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:43 dysenterymd wrote: I hope GSL revisits giving the first seed a swap in the ro16, seems like it gives so many unlikely players a path to the semis which otherwise wouldn't exist... This is kind of out of left field but I agree honestly. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:50 Seeker wrote: Did they revert widow mine back? Is it invisible still even after it shoots? With armoury yes | ||
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dysenterymd
1199 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:50 Seeker wrote: Did they revert widow mine back? Is it invisible still even after it shoots? If T gets an armory yes | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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serralfan18
99 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:42 Monochromatic wrote: Zest played like crap first two games (forgot storm and had a bunch of useless HTs in g2 in particular). Zes won g3, Armani 12 pooled g4 and lost to glaives, g5 was armani doing the drone drill ling all in and Zest didn't have a door. Thanks. Sounded like a mediocre series overall | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:52 seemsgood wrote: phoenixes into lose against mary again ;oo Mary, haha man that was so funny back when it happened | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:54 Fango wrote: Trap went for fast charge because it was the only comp that could hold the follow-up push from Maru, but now he has no splash while Maru's on 160 supply of better upgraded biomine It was a nice attempt but ultimately, losing 14 probes early on lost him the game | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 14:59 Fango wrote: Has anyone done the math on these reaper proxies being worthwhile? Losing an scv, making two reapers, a bunker salvage, and delaying barracks production, for two probes, delayed mining at the nat, and a shield battery? Too many variables with how it can be executed and hard to weigh factors (like how much do you value delayed production, does the Protoss build a zealot, what's the likelihood you fail to get the bunker up?). | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
EDIT: Not like this. FFS win the next game Trap! | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
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djraphi23
France2262 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:07 lolfail9001 wrote: Man, is Maru really trying to go for G5L? Imagine if he never gets it. He'd end his career with minimum four GSLs (in a row), another six GSL ro4s, a GSL weekender, and an OSL that was literally a GSL season except the name was changed because of the broadcaster. Absurdly close to G5L on like four counts. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
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Durnuu
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lolfail9001
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NoS-Craig
Australia3094 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:21 NoS-Craig wrote: To much lost trying to mine drop against Pheonixs. It only works if you get game winning hits, or keep the protoss on their side of the map forever | ||
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3094 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:21 Fango wrote: It only works if you get game winning hits, or keep the protoss on their side of the map forever Maru wasn't far from doing enough damage to make it work. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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Fango
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Durnuu
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mierin
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Monochromatic
United States997 Posts
I can't see him losing to Armani, especially how he's been playing lately and TvZ being his best matchup. Stats will be the greatest test. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:37 Durnuu wrote: Adepts are pretty shit in general, but even worse when raven anti-armour is involved cuz they tend to stack hardcore Maru dodged the adept-mine splash like a champ and hit the anti armour missile on everything while the adepts landed on 3 widow mines. Trap took the maximum damage he could have possibly taken there. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
you dont have to be creative in this match up trap especially with shit unit like adept | ||
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QOGQOG
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3094 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:39 Fango wrote: Maru dodged the adept-mine splash like a champ and hit the anti armour missile on everything while the adepts landed on 3 widow mines. Trap took the maximum damage he could have possibly taken there. I need to re-watch that fight. For a second I thougth Maru might be in trouble then Trap just evaporated. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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Fango
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:40 NoS-Craig wrote: I need to re-watch that fight. For a second I thougth Maru might be in trouble then Trap just evaporated. Honestly Maru seems unbeatable TvP right now. It's very fun to watch. | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:37 Durnuu wrote: Adepts are pretty shit in general, but even worse when raven anti-armour is involved cuz they tend to stack hardcore stimmy bois just roll over adepts with or without AA missle tho | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:41 djraphi23 wrote: I think Armani has 1% chance to beat Maru. I want a Stats-Maru final. 1% for Maru breaking his shoulder and having to forfit seems about right | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13973 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:41 mierin wrote: Honestly Maru seems unbeatable TvP right now. It's very fun to watch. Good point he did advance 2-0 in a group with PvT masters after all... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:42 Cricketer12 wrote: Good point he did advance 2-0 in a group with PvT masters after all... I raise you that Stats also looked unbeatable in PvT in that group. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:41 mierin wrote: Honestly Maru seems unbeatable TvP right now. It's very fun to watch. Maru just got steamrolled by stats in the group stage. and trap underperformed imo. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:44 Fango wrote: I raise you that Stats also looked unbeatable in PvT in that group. Yup! That makes it even better. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:39 Fango wrote: Maru dodged the adept-mine splash like a champ and hit the anti armour missile on everything while the adepts landed on 3 widow mines. Trap took the maximum damage he could have possibly taken there. That was a good analysis. Trap had a poor engagement and microed poorly. It was all Trap's fault. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13973 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:44 Fango wrote: I raise you that Stats also looked unbeatable in PvT in that group. he kind of is the best player in the mu from either side atm, Maru v Stats therefore has the makings of an amazing GSL finals...so I'm scared now | ||
StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:40 NoS-Craig wrote: I need to re-watch that fight. For a second I thougth Maru might be in trouble then Trap just evaporated. If the shades finish on top of the marines, I think Trap wins that fight. Friendly fire + remaining adepts clean up marines, void rays kill tanks and raven. Trap basically had his worst-case scenario engagement once his adept shades finished. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:44 Fango wrote: I raise you that Stats also looked unbeatable in PvT in that group. In SC2 when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object we tend to have really disappointed one-sided series anyhow. Was it Dear that was on this crazy undefeated PvT streak before randomly getting bopped? | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: In SC2 when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object we tend to have really disappointed one-sided series anyhow. Was it Dear that was on this crazy undefeated PvT streak before randomly getting bopped? well except mary is batman and stats is drunk joker | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: In SC2 when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object we tend to have really disappointed one-sided series anyhow. Was it Dear that was on this crazy undefeated PvT streak before randomly getting bopped? Dear was on a 20-0 PvT streak and lost 3-1 to Maru in GSL last year, the year before Classic was 22-0 and then lost 4-1 also to Maru. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:56 Fango wrote: Dear was on a 20-0 PvT streak and lost 3-1 to Maru in GSL last year, the year before Classic was 22-0 and then lost 4-1 also to Maru. Maru does miracles in GSL playoffs. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:44 BerserkSword wrote: Maru just got steamrolled by stats in the group stage. Stats vs ByuN was a steamroll. At literally no point was the match against Maru not (at minimum) stressful for both players. | ||
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Elentos
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 17 2020 16:34 Elentos wrote: I'd be quite surprised at this point if Maru didn't win his 5th Code S now. If he goes against Stats in the finals, I can easily see Stats winning the whole thing. | ||
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serendipitous
Canada195 Posts
On October 17 2020 16:35 Vindicare605 wrote: If he goes against Stats in the finals, I can easily see Stats winning the whole thing. Hard to imagine for me, considering the many times Maru has slaughtered protoss players on 20+ game streaks in the matchup. Or all of his tvp speedruns. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15918 Posts
On October 17 2020 16:35 Vindicare605 wrote: If he goes against Stats in the finals, I can easily see Stats winning the whole thing. Considering Maru's history in GSL playoffs vs top Protoss players I seriously doubt that. | ||
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Elentos
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 17 2020 16:36 serendipitous wrote: Hard to imagine for me, considering the many times Maru has slaughtered protoss players on 20+ game streaks in the matchup. Or all of his tvp speedruns. It would be an amazing finals. At least on paper. MAru is good in the preparational format, Stats is good in PvT, G5L is cursed and Stats is Kong. | ||
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Poopi
France12786 Posts
Should be an easy match to the finals for Maru though. How did Maru the godlike Terran manage to beat Trap? Was scared to open that bracket | ||
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Swisslink
2952 Posts
Maru just showed up how I expected him to. Armani did look quite good in ZvT, but I really doubt he can win in the Ro4. | ||
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Penev
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Garbo1
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Z3nith
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 17 2020 19:55 Garbo1 wrote: As much as I've been rooting for Armani, he doesn't stand a chance against Maru. It's looking extremely likely to be a Stats/Maru final, and I'm definitely seeing a Stats victory (even though I really really really want Maru to win). He didn't stand a chance against Zest either if Zest actually took the games seriously. This series was a straight up GIFT to Armani. Someone that watches this series seriously can't possibly tell me it wasn't. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 20:29 neutralrobot wrote: Honestly, Stats and TY both would be tough opponents for Maru in the finals. Maru *just barely* won against TY in their last finals, and although he obliterated Stats in the finals in 2018, I'm not sure we'll see that version of Finals-Maru again this year. Yeah but Marus TvT look much more impressive than when he took out TY in that finals | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 17 2020 20:00 Z3nith wrote: To anyone saying that Maru has this in the bag and G5L remember that Stats is a large part of why we never got Maru vs Serral. That never occured in the code s though | ||
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Poopi
France12786 Posts
As for the finals, seeing their recent encounter, Stats would be the hardest opponent. Maru might win in bo7 finals with Jin Air preparation though, especially against Kong Stats. TY seems hard but Maru is the ultimate god of TvT judging by King of Battles. If TY didn’t beat Maru in his 3rd GSL in a row, I don’t think he is gonna beat this Maru tbh. But the preparation / weirdness of TY can carry him in the finals. Either way this is super exciting, the only « bad » match can be Armani vs Maru if it’s a quick 4-0 or something, but TY + Stats and the finals should absolutely deliver! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3999 Posts
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Z3nith
485 Posts
On October 17 2020 20:46 deacon.frost wrote: That never occured in the code s though True but still Stats matches up quite well against Maru and he is in the best PvT form I've ever seen for him. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 17 2020 22:44 sneakyfox wrote: https://twitter.com/SC2Armani/status/1317443503358570496 so there is patience armani... parting maaybe? I do not recognize the other faces. are they also pros or just friends? | ||
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Garbo1
49 Posts
On October 17 2020 20:28 Vindicare605 wrote: He didn't stand a chance against Zest either if Zest actually took the games seriously. This series was a straight up GIFT to Armani. Someone that watches this series seriously can't possibly tell me it wasn't. Disagree, Zest is so up and down that I didn't see an Armani win as an outright impossibility. But Maru, it is. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 17 2020 22:48 Argonauta wrote: so there is patience armani... parting maaybe? I do not recognize the other faces. are they also pros or just friends? On the left its Parting and Patience. On the right its Armani, Ragnarok and I dont know who the 3rd guy is furthest from the camera | ||
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:44 BerserkSword wrote: Maru just got steamrolled by stats in the group stage. and trap underperformed imo. Stats and Maru are different players in group stages and BO5s / BO7s. Still think Stats has a solid chance because, well, PvT, but Maru and Rogue are two guys you don't want to play in offline BOX. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
There is nobody who is a smart bet vs Maru in a match vs him. He is currently good at everything. If Stats makes it to the finals and wins, he would be beating a Maru that is better than he is ever been. Pretty cool. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 18 2020 01:16 AttackZerg wrote: After King of Kings and last night, I think Maru is firmly back as the #1 player in the world. There is nobody who is a smart bet vs Maru in a match vs him. He is currently good at everything. If Stats makes it to the finals and wins, he would be beating a Maru that is better than he is ever been. Pretty cool. No, man. Maru was definitely better than this two years ago! His TvZ didn't impress in Kings of Battle, his TvP looks the best and his TvT is incredibly good(would like to see him against TY); he is back to potentially be #1. Stats has beaten a stronger Maru in the past and his PvT looks better than ever. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 18 2020 02:48 [Phantom] wrote: Watch Armani beat Maru in the most hilarious semi final ever. IF that actually happens I think Liquibets will riot. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25014 Posts
On October 17 2020 15:56 Fango wrote: Dear was on a 20-0 PvT streak and lost 3-1 to Maru in GSL last year, the year before Classic was 22-0 and then lost 4-1 also to Maru. Trap had a good shot. Outside of playing well himself obviously he probably needed a few rubs of the BO dice and/or Maru not to hit God mode. Not an all-time classic, but a decent playoff match and really we haven’t had a huge amount of those in recent seasons. Despite my fanboy bias being a factor Trap put in a good showing, just Jesus Maru today (and recently) is playing insane Starcraft. You’re playing a guy who ekes out edges by doing things other players don’t do, so you’re behind vs where you’d be with all your other practice, then he doesn’t make any bloody mistakes either, so you can’t claw it back. Case in point the last set, which was in fairness a disaster looking at it but I feel an explicable one. It’s hard as hell to ever kill Maru’s reapers (see that famous clip of him killing an adept) when they’re poking, and he retains them really really well just poking for information. One such repair danders by for an additional scout, times a perfect grenade to bounce a stalker and sees the SG and a void Must be tremendously tilting playing someone that good. I’m convinced Trap was going to do that void glaives bust and surmised that Maru had sniffed it. Then he improvises something else with the path he went down and, well we saw how that went out. Oddly enough despite that scout, that bust well could have worked if he’d just committed anyway. But hey mind games in SC2 are huge and amplified further by teammates facing off. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25014 Posts
On October 18 2020 02:46 Xain0n wrote: No, man. Maru was definitely better than this two years ago! His TvZ didn't impress in Kings of Battle, his TvP looks the best and his TvT is incredibly good(would like to see him against TY); he is back to potentially be #1. Stats has beaten a stronger Maru in the past and his PvT looks better than ever. I thought his TvZ looked excellent there too. He’d have just crushed most other Zergs but Serral is pretty good. We’re going pure eye test here off a limited sample size, I think it’s certainly been quite a while since Maru has been looking so terrifying across all matchups. He’s probably had higher peaks in vP and vZ but he’s looking super rounded at the minute. | ||
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JJH777
United States4400 Posts
On October 18 2020 03:17 WombaT wrote: I thought his TvZ looked excellent there too. He’d have just crushed most other Zergs but Serral is pretty good. We’re going pure eye test here off a limited sample size, I think it’s certainly been quite a while since Maru has been looking so terrifying across all matchups. He’s probably had higher peaks in vP and vZ but he’s looking super rounded at the minute. I feel like Maru 100% does not lose his Marines in his first push during game 3 vs Serral in a no ping environment and that changes the entire game. Maru was so far behind after that first push failed and it was completely avoidable. Just compare the speed he picked up his bio during this series to that engagement and that's the most clear loss to latency ever. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25014 Posts
On October 18 2020 03:47 JJH777 wrote: I feel like Maru 100% does not lose his Marines in his first push during game 3 vs Serral in a no ping environment and that changes the entire game. Maru was so far behind after that first push failed and it was completely avoidable. Just compare the speed he picked up his bio during this series to that engagement and that's the most clear loss to latency ever. It’s good to have low latency combat once more, indeed iirc GSL is via some kind of LAN right? There is close to zero chance I see Maru picking up a clump of bio while a disruptor shot is en route with much more delay. Likewise Trap probably isn’t pulling off some of that crazy Collosus/prism loading and unloading with much latency. What’s really impressing me about this current iteration of Maru is he doesn’t need as much micro. It always helps and we saw plenty today, but his overall approach in all matchups is so solid in all sorts of other areas and it’s like trying to dislodge a limpet given how good his defensive positioning is. Sure nobody is absolutely perfect but how often recently has Maru been caught unsieged, or his army being way out of position? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
On October 18 2020 02:48 [Phantom] wrote: Watch Armani beat Maru in the most hilarious semi final ever. They'd still put him at number one in the Power Rankings over the GSL winner. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States1597 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 18 2020 14:32 CicadaSC wrote: armani looking like he might take this entire tournament down. oh power rankings... I miss those | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
On October 18 2020 00:09 MarianoSC2 wrote: On the left its Parting and Patience. On the right its Armani, Ragnarok and I dont know who the 3rd guy is furthest from the camera Thanks! | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
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