EPTGTC 2020 Fall - Allstars & Playoffs - Page 6
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Poll: Who's your Playoffs MVP? Zoun (116) TIME (61) RagnaroK (19) 196 total votes Your vote: Who's your Playoffs MVP? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:08 digmouse wrote: Next season is 2021. Not exactly a surprise, seeing as it's October. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:05 xelnaga_empire wrote: Disappointed in Innovation. Kaizi paid the big money to Innovation to be their Ace player, along with Solar. At the end of the AlphaX PartinG showmatch against Innovation, PartinG acknowledged that Protoss has an advantage against Terran in this patch so I understand if Innovation also feels this way about Protoss (Innovation mentioned in the last GSL interview that he struggles against Protoss). But Innovation not coming out against Zoun in the final match was disappointing for what is supposed be the ace player on Kaizi. Good for Time to step up in Innovation's shoes though. A well deserved victory by Time. Inno was confidence in TvZ right now but not so in TvP. Perhaps, it gave clear signal to the Kaizi Boss to not forcing him from playing in ace match. Trusting in Inno's decision and TIME's willingness to play was some hard decision made by Kaizi Boss even it meant a gamble. | ||
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
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LittlePox
23 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:05 xelnaga_empire wrote: Disappointed in Innovation. Kaizi paid the big money to Innovation to be their Ace player, along with Solar. At the end of the AlphaX PartinG showmatch against Innovation, PartinG acknowledged that Protoss has an advantage against Terran in this patch so I understand if Innovation also feels this way about Protoss (Innovation mentioned in the last GSL interview that he struggles against Protoss). But Innovation not coming out against Zoun in the final match was disappointing for what is supposed be the ace player on Kaizi. Good for Time to step up in Innovation's shoes though. A well deserved victory by Time. Actually INnoVation is known to be poor in TvP. Even when TvP wasn't so hard he's always strugling with top-tier protoss. Time, on the contrary, is confident in TvP and he recently won a few matches against Zoun. If the ace for AX was Rag, Inno probably did the shot. If you had listen to their dialog, the team manager also wanted Time to take the show, probably because the Chinese manager wished to utilize this chance to train the Chinese player. After Newbee disbanded, KZ gaming was setup by a relative of SCBoy as the new team for Time, the Chinese SC2 community figure. The major purpose of this team is to give Time a professional atmosphere to grow up. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
I'll assign +1 to each victory against a Korean and -1 to each loss against a non-Korean unless you're a non-Korean yourself. Tiebreaker will be who won the most ace-match. AlphaX vs BraveStar: Nice 1-1 Cyan no change Zoun 1-1 Dream +1 Zoun Ragnarok 2-0 Scarlett no change Ragnarok 1-1 Dream +1 Rag Score: Nice 0, Zoun 1, Rag 1 AlphaX vs JinAir Ragnarok 1-1 Rex -1 Rag Nice 1-1 Creator +1 Nice Zoun 1-1 Maru +1 Zoun Zoun 1-1 Trap +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-0 Trap +1 Rag Score: Nice 1, Zoun 3, Rag 1 AlphaX vs DPG Zoun 1-1 Firefly -1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-1 Cure +1 Rag Nice 1-1 Dark +1 Nice Zoun 1-1 Dark +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-0 Cure +1 Rag Score: Nice 2, Zoun 3, Rag 3 AlphaX vs Kaizi Nice 1-1 TIME no change Ragnarok 0-2 Solar no change Zoun 2-0 Solar +2 Zoun Zoun 1-1 Innovation +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-1 Solar +1 Rag Zoun 0-1 TIME -1 Zoun Score: Nice 2, Zoun 5, Rag 4 So Zoun deserves the MVP, but Ragnarok did win 2 ace-matches while Zoun lost 1, so it's a close call. (Edited for correction) | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:23 argonautdice wrote: + Show Spoiler + Here's my MVP analysis. First, it's def gonna be someone on AlphaX, super clutch the whole way. I'll assign +1 to each victory against a Korean and -1 to each loss against a non-Korean unless you're a non-Korean yourself. Tiebreaker will be who won the most ace-match. AlphaX vs BraveStar: Nice 1-1 Cyan no change Zoun 1-1 Dream +1 Zoun Ragnarok 2-0 Scarlett no change Ragnarok 1-1 Dream +1 Rag Score: Nice 0, Zoun 1, Rag 1 AlphaX vs JinAir Ragnarok 1-1 Rex -1 Rag Nice 1-1 Creator +1 Nice Zoun 1-1 Maru +1 Zoun Zoun 1-1 Trap +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-0 Trap +1 Rag Score: Nice 1, Zoun 3, Rag 1 AlphaX vs DPG Zoun 1-1 Firefly -1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-1 Cure +1 Rag Nice 1-1 Dark +1 Nice Zoun 1-1 Dark +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-0 Cure +1 Rag Score: Nice 2, Zoun 3, Rag 3 AlphaX vs Kaizi Nice 1-1 TIME no change Ragnarok 0-2 Solar no change Zoun 1-1 Innovation +1 Zoun Ragnarok 1-1 Solar +1 Rag Zoun 0-1 TIME -1 Zoun Score: Nice 2, Zoun 3, Rag 4 So Ragnarok deserves the MVP, besides he also won 2 ace-matches while Zoun lost 1. I'll, uhhh, bookmark this for later. :D The numbers show how difficult that decision is, there was no one who really 'got carried' here, everyone contributed critical maps. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:36 TheOneAboveU wrote: I'll, uhhh, bookmark this for later. :D The numbers show how difficult that decision is, there was no one who really 'got carried' here, everyone contributed critical maps. Lol before you do, I actually made a mistake, I forgot to include Zoun 2-0 Solar in the last match! So the final score is actually Nice 2, Zoun 5, Rag 4, so I guess Zoun wins MVP! Though Rag did win 2 ace-matches while Zoun lost 1 so it's close :D | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:41 argonautdice wrote: Lol before you do, I actually made a mistake, I forgot to include Zoun 2-0 Solar in the last match! So the final score is actually Nice 2, Zoun 5, Rag 4, so I guess Zoun wins MVP! Though Rag did win 2 ace-matches while Zoun lost 1 so it's close :D Ace matches being what they are, I'm inclined to favor Ragnarok over Zoun. Especially since Zoun lost the one that mattered most. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4950 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:42 pvsnp wrote: Ace matches being what they are, I'm inclined to favor Ragnarok over Zoun. Especially since Zoun lost the one that mattered most. A little bit rough since in the same match Zoun carried the team taking out solar and INno | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:41 argonautdice wrote: Lol before you do, I actually made a mistake, I forgot to include Zoun 2-0 Solar in the last match! So the final score is actually Nice 2, Zoun 5, Rag 4, so I guess Zoun wins MVP! Though Rag did win 2 ace-matches while Zoun lost 1 so it's close :D Noooo, so now it's closer again. :D Still leaning towards RagnaroK as well because of the two ace wins. I'd give the entire team the award, but that feels like a lame cop-out even though everyone deserves it. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:45 TheOneAboveU wrote: Noooo, so now it's closer again. :D Still leaning towards RagnaroK as well because of the two ace wins. I'd give the entire team the award, but that feels like a lame cop-out even though everyone deserves it. Yeah, I agree. Another reason I favor Ragnarok is that JinAir possibly didn't send out Maru for the ace match because how potent Ragnarok's ZvT is, and they sent out Trap but still lost. Their best bet was probably Rogue who unfortunately had to play (and lose) two individual tournaments the same day. The biggest throw of the playoff was DPG and Dark. Not only did Dark lose the critical 2nd game (1 match point) of 2 sets against imo worse opponents by doing all-ins, but also was probably not sent out in the ace match against Ragnarok because of those 2 losses, which would've been Dark favored I think. | ||
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sneakyfox
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:45 TheOneAboveU wrote: Noooo, so now it's closer again. :D Still leaning towards RagnaroK as well because of the two ace wins. I'd give the entire team the award, but that feels like a lame cop-out even though everyone deserves it. I would give RagnaGOAT for MVP even though the votes for Zoun seemed overwhelming. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
2nd GTC - Dark (or Dream???, can't remember well) won MvP 3rd GTC - Ragnarok tied with Zoun for MvP? | ||
Waxangel
United States33423 Posts
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rottenapple
2 Posts
On October 12 2020 06:40 Waxangel wrote: any info on how much extra money was given out via war chest? 0 if you normally buy a war chest. 25% through the QR code I suppose? | ||
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rottenapple
2 Posts
On October 12 2020 02:05 xelnaga_empire wrote: Disappointed in Innovation. Kaizi paid the big money to Innovation to be their Ace player, along with Solar. At the end of the AlphaX PartinG showmatch against Innovation, PartinG acknowledged that Protoss has an advantage against Terran in this patch so I understand if Innovation also feels this way about Protoss (Innovation mentioned in the last GSL interview that he struggles against Protoss). But Innovation not coming out against Zoun in the final match was disappointing for what is supposed be the ace player on Kaizi. Good for Time to step up in Innovation's shoes though. A well deserved victory by Time. Please don't. Time was a special player since he was the only chinese player that can challenge the top tier players, with some stability. That also means he's special to the chinese casters, audience, and the team manager. If Inno stand out (and he has a poor tvp performance over all and did not perform well vs zoun) and he lost, it will be his fault. But if Time go for the ace and he lost, it is understandable and won't be criticized that much in chinese community. And Time did had a better records in tvp as well as vs zoun.(Thanks to practices with Status). In the end, Time for ACE is suggested by time and approved by team manager ("inno or time both fine"). I hope inno can have the confidence to stand out, but his behavior is unsurprising, and shouldn't be criticized. Without inno's effort, time won't even have the chance for the ace fight. An excellent final for all players. | ||
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pzlama333
United States277 Posts
On October 12 2020 06:40 Waxangel wrote: any info on how much extra money was given out via war chest? 25% as I heard, but only after they announce the share would go to teams, but most people already bought the war chest long before it. However, I also hear that they are working to make portraits, decals and other stuff of the teams for next war chest. | ||
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