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Pandemona
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Poll: Who Advances? Maru & Stats (19) ByuN & Maru (8) Stats & PartinG (4) ByuN & Stats (3) Maru & PartinG (3) PartinG & ByuN (2) 39 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): PartinG & ByuN | ||
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3 Lions
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 Very exciting group. I think Stats being sick recently likely hurt his ability to practice well. We'll see though | ||
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Pandemona
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On October 07 2020 02:59 3 Lions wrote: Thanks for the thread, Pandemona, but I think you have the wrong banner Very exciting group. I think Stats being sick recently likely hurt his ability to practice well. We'll see though Haha i was indeed, i needed to wait for Wax to upload the new one to pinch  This group is insane lol, arguably the best two protoss in Korea right now? vs ByuN who looks to regain his top form and Maru who is always a menance in TvP. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 07 2020 05:59 Pandemona wrote: Haha i was indeed, i needed to wait for Wax to upload the new one to pinch This group is insane lol, arguably the best two protoss in Korea right now? vs ByuN who looks to regain his top form and Maru who is always a menance in TvP. While true that, Parting v Maru rarely delivers top TvP Maru for w/e reason. Let's hope it will be better, but somehow I'm afraid that Parting still has the upper edge. | ||
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Vindicare605
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This group is such nonsense how insane it is. More competitive than any group from any other tournament. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 12:04 yht9657 wrote: Damn if you think about it this group is no less stacked than group D. IMO it's arguably even more stacked, it depends how high you judge Dark and Trap. Dark hasn't been performing great since his injury and I personally don't think as much of Trap as a lot of others do. With Group D I can feasibly say that Inno and Rogue are slight favorites. Here, it's just Maru and 3 equals and if the weaker Maru shows up, then it's perfectly even. | ||
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Wrathsc2
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On October 07 2020 13:22 Russano wrote: Damn, why was Stats in the hospital? apparently it was the flu or some kind flu related illness. Initially thought to be covid but it wasn't. | ||
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algue
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On October 07 2020 15:22 Wrathsc2 wrote: want byun to make it out but i doubt he will , this group is just too stacked for him atm. Doubters will be proven wrong in 2 hours  | ||
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Vindicare605
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GSL Nicknames for this Group for those that missed the intro. Stats: The Shield of Auir Byun: The Wild Man Maru: The 4th Race Parting: The Big Boy. | ||
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On October 07 2020 18:41 Schelim wrote: Artosis just uncursed ByuN, thanks I don't like how he is praising Stats tho | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 18:46 Javah wrote: Shit losing the raven decided this game. For a player known for his superb micro. But then again, that can be said about everyone in this group, so I won't use this against ByuN. | ||
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Javah
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On October 07 2020 18:47 deacon.frost wrote: For a player known for his superb micro. But then again, that can be said about everyone in this group, so I won't use this against ByuN. Yes you could feel that Stats was of course hunting for it, it was the key unit that made ByuN's timing push scary... Once taken out of the equation there wasn't a real backup plan for him and the prism in the main was the nail in the coffin. | ||
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Javah
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 He's very far behind once again. This do-or-die build is probably a bit too predictable and easy to defend for someone like Stats. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 18:58 Elentos wrote: Everything in this series reinforces my believe that ByuN isn't ready for this yet and his Ro24 result was a fluke It's more the fact that the top of the Korean scene is so supreme to the rest. Like the top 10 players are so out of their world. But he can still be in the top 20(ByuN that is) and as such getting to the RO16 isn't as muich of a fluke. Similar to Patience who's certainly not the top player, but he's counted as a serious contender for RO16. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 19:02 Vindicare605 wrote: Well now I'm worried for the Terrans. That build from Stats looks really tough for the meta openings Terrans have been using. Hope Maru has something prepped for that. 2 prox rax? 3 proxy rax? Also not sure if Maru is relying on this build this heavily, OTOH he's naturally weak to Parting and TvT, so, uh.... damn. | ||
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Vindicare605
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The early Phoenix are there mostly to counter Widow Mine drops I'm assuming. The picking off of the Raven is just the final thing they are useful for. | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:04 deacon.frost wrote: 2 prox rax? 3 proxy rax? Also not sure if Maru is relying on this build this heavily, OTOH he's naturally weak to Parting and TvT, so, uh.... damn.Proxy rax is a build order loss to shield batteries | ||
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darklycid
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e: Stats opener i mean obv. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 19:09 Vindicare605 wrote: I'm wondering. If you opened Cyclones and did a Timing with a couple of Cyclones and Marines, could you hit the natural and the Phoenixes be unable to defend it? It'd be a hefty investment but with Stats going directly into Collosus off of it, he won't have a lot of defense against an early two base timing. The early Phoenix are there mostly to counter Widow Mine drops I'm assuming. The picking off of the Raven is just the final thing they are useful for. Given the BBQ pandemic of this year, i suspect phoenixes are against hellions more so than mines. EDIT: That immortal moment was kind of hilarious remembering Maru's 2015 TvP shenanigans. | ||
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Javah
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On October 07 2020 19:09 Vindicare605 wrote: I'm wondering. If you opened Cyclones and did a Timing with a couple of Cyclones and Marines, could you hit the natural and the Phoenixes be unable to defend it? It'd be a hefty investment but with Stats going directly into Collosus off of it, he won't have a lot of defense against an early two base timing. The early Phoenix are there mostly to counter Widow Mine drops I'm assuming. The picking off of the Raven is just the final thing they are useful for. Early Phoenix are useful for almost everything, getting intel, light harass, force turrets so less units in the push, can catch mine drops and deter drops in general since you will lose you medivacs no matter how, lift tanks and last but not least kill the raven. To me it seems that it more or less forces the Terran to give up the early-mid kill timing (when his army supply is naturally higher than the P) and to go mid-late game. LOL at the immortal saved by the super-battery edit : of course I forgot phoenix can also lift hellions if need be. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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Surprising no one has been mentioning this but Stats is the best PvT player since CodeS season 2 quite surely ! Actually since September, he hasnt lost a PvT and only lost matches to Trap (thrice), and Zergs (Rogue, Reynor, Solar, Ragnax2) | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 19:16 Elentos wrote: What is PartinG doing Losing to Maru, duh. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 19:21 lolfail9001 wrote: What the hell are those observers. pro level observers, duh | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 07 2020 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru just stylin on him now. Who nukes a Protoss? Plenty of people? | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru just stylin on him now. Who nukes a Protoss? Maru, all the time? | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 19:25 Vindicare605 wrote: Maru just stylin on him now. Who nukes a Protoss? Mobile Infantry! FFS, who's against nukes? | ||
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goody153
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too bad that carrier addition looked cool too | ||
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yoshi245
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Either way, Maru looking very strong. He even placed a bunker with bio on his 3rd's mineral line just to protect workers from zealot runbys, something very few Terrans really bother with. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 19:28 SamirDuran wrote: wtf, i'm watching maru's fp view and it's insane on how he targeted those disruptors Where are you watching that? | ||
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Poopi
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On October 07 2020 19:28 sudete wrote: I don't see enough circlejerking over this game in which maru had a big advantage from the start His advantage wasn't that big. He got a slight eco lead but he had a tiny army for a while, with raxes being super late etc., so he couldn't really pressure the 3rd ever. Basically he had to win in lategame no matter what, he could not end the game in the midgame, not many terrans accept to do that. | ||
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lolfail9001
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There are afreeca streams for both fpv iirc. Don't ask me, i don't know the link either. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 19:29 yoshi245 wrote: Maru took out a decent amount of probes with the mine drops, but it's not that many considering how many mines he used. Probably killed like maybe under 20 probes for 12 mines and a medivac? Either way, Maru looking very strong. He even placed a bunker with bio on his 3rd's mineral line just to protect workers from zealot runbys, something very few Terrans really bother with. I think the more important thing with mine drops is that they keep the Protoss at home. We saw what happened with Stats when he had map control. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 07 2020 19:29 lolfail9001 wrote: There are afreeca streams for both fpv iirc. Don't ask me, i don't know the link either. Yeah, checked the AfreecaTV and cannot see it there | ||
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Elentos
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On October 07 2020 19:30 deacon.frost wrote: Yeah, checked the AfreecaTV and cannot see it there Have you tried scrolling down the Liquipedia page of this tournament to where it lists all the streams? | ||
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IndyO
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change the for 4 at the end to 1,2,3 for the differenct player. 3 is Parting and 4 is Maru | ||
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yoshi245
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On October 07 2020 19:29 Vindicare605 wrote: I think the more important thing with mine drops is that they keep the Protoss at home. We saw what happened with Stats when he had map control. Yeah, I think that's the point Tastosis isn't really highlighting. It's not so much the workers lost, as much as keeping Protoss from damaging the Terran economy in response at the same time as he's forced to move observers and army units to deal with the mine drops. | ||
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Durnuu
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On October 07 2020 19:35 lolfail9001 wrote: It's rare i get to see a Terran die to dt drop so hard. No one will ever die to it as hard as TaeJa against Zest on Lerilak Crest, though | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 19:41 darklycid wrote: Is Parting really just gonna let maru go into lategame? 0.o Well, Parting intends to be 2 base up and Parting believes lategame is favored for him. So, why not? | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Can I just say, this is some of the most aesthetically pleasing turtling I've ever seen? When did Maru start to play like this? In 2018? Make no mistake, i suspect he has earlier games like that before as well, but 2018 is when it actually became memorable. | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:46 Vindicare605 wrote: Can I just say, this is some of the most aesthetically pleasing turtling I've ever seen? When did Maru start to play like this? About 40 minute ago I reckon | ||
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Vindicare605
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I never saw anything like this from him in 2018, not against Protoss anyway. I've seen this vs Zerg but never vs Protoss and I saw pretty much all of his 2018 games. | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:41 Poopi wrote: Maru fp vod is just so gorgeous. He is doing the same strategy as against Trap It is so beautiful to watch him play. Unfortunately his fp is 20s ahead of Tastosis' cast. Also vikings against carriers, curious to see how it will play out in the long run. Last thing, is anybody able to guess Maru's graphic settings? (I assume it's his settings that we see on this stream). | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 19:32 Elentos wrote: Have you tried scrolling down the Liquipedia page of this tournament to where it lists all the streams? No, was expectin afreeca having it on there, thanks! | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:50 Javah wrote: It is so beautiful to watch him play. Unfortunately his fp is 20s ahead of Tastosis' cast. Also vikings against carriers, curious to see how it will play out in the long run. Last thing, is anybody able to guess Maru's graphic settings? (I assume it's his settings that we see on this stream). this is probably low settings with high textures. | ||
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WombaT
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Man Maru’s looking scary in this matchup in lategame, very reminiscent of his lategame approach Trap at King of Battles. UThermal did a great breakdown of his lategame in that series and he’s doing very similar things here | ||
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I actually believe that Blizzard reworked Tempest because of that game alone. | ||
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Javah
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On October 07 2020 19:51 SamirDuran wrote: this is probably low settings with high textures. Ok thanks! So graphics low and Textures high that's it? I play with hybrid settings and his setting looks even clearer. But maybe it's just because it's Maru :D I'm blown away by Maru's play in this scenario, even if he may not win it. Sure he didn't have a choice really but the way he embraces very late TvP is mindblowing. | ||
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On October 07 2020 19:56 Weavel wrote: Nuclear war is awesome! brand new sentence I mean maru is just gonna go broke soon no? | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:02 darklycid wrote: Parting running out of gas tho. Yeah, but does Maru's army beat 35 zealots? | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:03 lolfail9001 wrote: Yeah, but does Maru's army beat 35 zealots? Ghosts are really freaking good against zealots, and those 35 vikings can act as a wall! | ||
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best ending ever with own goal | ||
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Maru <3 | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:11 Dave4 wrote: I think Parting was planning that play all game long with the baits. He did not look too satisfied with that though. I guess because playing length of a Bo5 for a single game is a tad too exhausting for a single bait. | ||
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Maru: hold my beer | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:13 5ecured wrote: So its safe to say Parting didnt win. Maru defeated himself. Exactly. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:13 5ecured wrote: So its safe to say Parting didnt win. Maru defeated himself. yea parting wouldve lost had the nuke not happened | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:13 lolfail9001 wrote: That said i believe Maru looks better after this game. He would probably lose either way because Tempests lol, but this way he loses with a smile on his face. Yes, Maru walked away with the moral victory while PartinG is exhausted. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:13 BerserkSword wrote: yea parting wouldve lost had the nuke not happened He killed all the Ghosts right before that happened. Parting had it right before the nuke hit. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:14 Dave4 wrote: Maru definitely should have gone BCs and spammed yamato over time when its off cooldown. Then he would have definitely won. Poor strategising i think. Yeah, after introduction of Tempests, BCs (and i dare say, only post-LotV BCs) are the only valid approach to endgame TvP. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:16 Elentos wrote: Suffice to say that PartinG was winning anyway. Wonder if Maru knew it and just said f it and let the nuke hit before GGing out. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:15 Die4Ever wrote: gif of the nuke https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/j6oysp/gsl_spoiler_40_minutes_of_tvp_to_see_this_maru_vs/ Funny rewatching and seeing marus reaction lol. "OmG ohh hahaha" | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:17 Fuell wrote: Nuke or not, PartinG had that? Do people really think otherwise? Parting was at almost 190 supply, Maru was at 150 and plumetting. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:18 Morbidius wrote: Parting was at almost 90 supply, Maru was at 150 and plumetting. 142 vs 115 army supply | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:20 Elentos wrote: That one game was longer than most bo3s. Isn't it longer than that Rogue vs Showtime Bo5 yesterday? Actually scratch that, it is longer than some of Maru's Bo7s. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:21 lolfail9001 wrote: Isn't it longer than that Rogue vs Showtime Bo5 yesterday? Actually scratch that, it is longer than some of Maru's Bo7s. Maru vs Zest GSL Finals was much shorter than that if you don't include the ceremony stuff and commercials. | ||
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So glad he didnt just held back and got into that stupid air late game again. Just finish him now pls | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:29 Vindicare605 wrote: Parting's player cam. He's done. That bodes well for ByuN. Maru kinda pulled the soul off of PartinG with this bo3 and that 2nd game loss. ByuN could even qualify should Maru lose to Stats, so it's either Stats - Maru or Stats - ByuN depending on if Maru beats Stats or not. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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On October 07 2020 20:30 Vindicare605 wrote: Now THAT ladies and gentlemen was a fucking Starcraft series. Dont really like air vs air too much but everything is suddenly better when no Zerg is involved Aside from TvZ, ZvP and TvT Starcraft is still super cool to watch. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 20:32 MarianoSC2 wrote: Dont really like air vs air too much but everything is suddenly better when no Zerg is involved Aside from TvZ, ZvP and TvT Starcraft is still super cool to watch. It wasn't even just game 2, although game 2 was an instant classic. Watching Maru just absolutely crush Parting (who was playing really well honestly) was also excellent spectator sports watching. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:40 Luolis wrote: Hots highlights make me warm and fuzzy inside. Sounds like you need to rewatch mana vs firecake | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:45 darklycid wrote: Sounds like you need to rewatch mana vs firecake It was a bad game and obviously things weren't perfect but overall hots was way better than lotv, and i'd return to it immediately given the chance. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 20:45 Luolis wrote: It was a bad game and obviously things weren't perfect but overall hots was way better than lotv, and i'd return to it immediately given the chance. Mana vs Firecake was the worst example of an ongoing problem in HoTS which was the Swarm Host. It wasn't the only game that was ruined by that unit, there were many of them. Also during HoTS was the Blink All In meta vs Terran which was horrid and one of the worst balance periods the game has ever seen for one match up and that was all thanks to the Mothership Core. HoTS had some great moments, but it had a LOT that was bad about it. Early 2015-2016 LoTV was awful, but it's been much better on average since then. EDIT: can't forget 2019 Zerg dominance, the worst that one race has dominated a year of play EVER since previous years of race dominance was either in the Foreign Scene OR Korean never one race dominated both that hard. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:45 Luolis wrote: It was a bad game and obviously things weren't perfect but overall hots was way better than lotv, and i'd return to it immediately given the chance. Just returning to the disappointment that Blizzard took away the WoL and HotS ladders so that we literally aren't given the chance, despite paying to buy those ladders when we bought the games... | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:54 LennX wrote: What just happened? stats won a "base trade" He did not win a base trade, he simply turned semi all-in into actual all-in and then held the all-in because Maru was forced to ignore Stats' 3rd. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:52 Vindicare605 wrote: Mana vs Firecake was the worst example of an ongoing problem in HoTS which was the Swarm Host. It wasn't the only game that was ruined by that unit, there were many of them. Also during HoTS was the Blink All In meta vs Terran which was horrid and one of the worst balance periods the game has ever seen for one match up and that was all thanks to the Mothership Core. HoTS had some great moments, but it had a LOT that was bad about it. Early 2015-2016 LoTV was awful, but it's been much better on average since then. EDIT: can't forget 2019 Zerg dominance, the worst that one race has dominated a year of play EVER since previous years of race dominance was either in the Foreign Scene OR Korean never one race dominated both that hard. Yeah no shit, HotS had bad games forced by badly designed units and problems (sometimes big) with balance. I still maintain that overall it was a better game than LotV. | ||
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On October 07 2020 20:58 Luolis wrote: Yeah no shit, HotS had bad games forced by badly designed units and problems (sometimes big) with balance. I still maintain that overall it was a better game than LotV. I actually agree most of the lotv added units tend to be dumb (maybe except the lurker) meanwhile in hots only the sh was a really bad offender. And as a toss at least PvZ was more fun imo outside of sh. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:01 darklycid wrote: I actually agree most of the lotv added units tend to be dumb (maybe except the lurker) meanwhile in hots only the sh was a really bad offender. And as a toss at least PvZ was more fun imo outside of sh. Uh excuse me? The MSC was just as bad if not worse. There's a reason it's no longer in the game and everyone cheered when it was removed. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:02 Vindicare605 wrote: Uh excuse me? The MSC was just as bad if not worse. There's a reason it's no longer in the game and everyone cheered when it was removed. I know this is a controversial opinion but even though it wasn't very good design, i feel like nexus cannon made for better protoss matchups than shield battery. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:03 Luolis wrote: I know this is a controversial opinion but even though it wasn't very good design, i feel like nexus cannon made for better protoss matchups than shield battery. Yes, msc wasn't the best design but lotv pylon cannon was a worse offender than nexus cannon in hots later on it wasn't that toxic imo, also with it's recall recall had some risk with it. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:07 darklycid wrote: Also as expected fast 3cc is pretty good vs this sg opener. Yea how silly of me, the typical Zerg response to seeing Phoenix is to just make hatcheries. Works for Terran too I guess. | ||
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Non-stop widow mine drops even against phoenix (check) No viking play vs Colossus (check) Immortal Maruders (check) Proxies (check) Insane multiprong (check) Brutal ending by pushing with his bio into the middle of the Collosi/disruptor (check) That being said, Stats is playing insanely well too, anyone can take this | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:14 darklycid wrote: I still think Maru/Stats will advance here (whoever goes first), they just look like another level so far. PvP is a shit show though, I like Stats in that match up vs anyone too, but who knows what happens when Parting is involved. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote: PvP is a shit show though, I like Stats in that match up vs anyone too, but who knows what happens when Parting is involved. you are not watching enough PvP aren't you? | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:16 SamirDuran wrote: you are not watching enough PvP aren't you? I've been calling it a shit show for 10 years. If I had stopped watching it I wouldn't still be calling it that. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:17 Vindicare605 wrote: I've been calling it a shit show for 10 years. If I had stopped watching it I wouldn't still be calling it that. Parting wasn't too confident in his pvp in group selection tho and wanted to avoid protosses if possible. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:18 darklycid wrote: Parting wasn't too confident in his pvp in group selection tho and wanted to avoid protosses if possible. That's true but Parting also lies in interviews to try and gain mental advantages. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:26 Penev wrote: petition to extend this series There is a chance we'll get a Bo7 a couple of weeks down the road  | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:27 Javah wrote: There is a chance we'll get a Bo7 a couple of weeks down the road yes please | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:30 Poopi wrote: This matchup is so hard, omfg. Hopefully Maru beats the winner of ByuN PartinG. Dude you're really always putting it on the mu when the terran loses :D | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:31 darklycid wrote: Dude you're really always putting it on the mu when the terran loses :D You don't get > 20 bans for balance whine for nothing | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:31 darklycid wrote: Dude you're really always putting it on the mu when the terran loses :D Can you blame him? Watching the way Stats plays he really does make the match up look really fucking difficult. Credit Stats dude, the fact Maru played that well against him and still lost is just disheartening if you're a mortal Terran player. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:31 MarianoSC2 wrote: Incredible PvTs from Stats and amazing TvPs from Maru. I hope Maru advances in the rematch against Parting... I hope ByuN will prove you wrong. I know it's difficult to imagine after his first series but I hope. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:26 MarianoSC2 wrote: All that and Maru dies because he did not kill 1 prism? A prism can literally bring an army into your base | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote: Can you blame him? Watching the way Stats plays he really does make the match up look really fucking difficult. Putting aside the fact that the only reason it got this difficult was because Stats did a fairly smart play to shutdown a timing attack by Maru. And then Maru committed to it anyways. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Putting aside the fact that the only reason it got this difficult was because Stats did a fairly smart play to shutdown a timing attack by Maru. And then Maru committed to it anyways. This, Stats disabled the raven and maru stayed around for too long even tho there was no 4th and he had a third running. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:35 Elentos wrote: Interesting that Stats rates Dark above Rogue I mean, it is a Ro8 after all. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Putting aside the fact that the only reason it got this difficult was because Stats did a fairly smart play to shutdown a timing attack by Maru. And then Maru committed to it anyways. So basically in the time it took for Maru to execute that timing, Stats was able to tech to Phoenix, Collosus, Charge and have Templar Archives with Templar ready to stop a Tank/Marine/Medivac push with a single Raven. Honestly it's shocking to me that Protoss can tech that fast I've never seen an army composition like that that fast before. | ||
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BerserkSword
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whether he's reppin protoss or the korean scene itself vs serral | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 21:36 Vindicare605 wrote: So basically in the time it took for Maru to execute that timing, Stats was able to tech to Phoenix, Collosus, Charge and have Templar Archives with Templar ready to stop a Tank/Marine/Medivac push with a single Raven. Honestly it's shocking to me that Protoss can tech that fast I've never seen an army composition like that that fast before. That's why the normal tank-raven push is done off of 2 base rather than reaper bunker rush into triple CC (and was it 2EB, i missed it?). | ||
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I mean yes but Rogue is weeks removed from stomping him in the GSL finals while Dark hasn't been too hot since like Super Tournament 1. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:36 Vindicare605 wrote: So basically in the time it took for Maru to execute that timing, Stats was able to tech to Phoenix, Collosus, Charge and have Templar Archives with Templar ready to stop a Tank/Marine/Medivac push with a single Raven. Honestly it's shocking to me that Protoss can tech that fast I've never seen an army composition like that that fast before. Maru played a quick 3rd so the timing is ofc delayed and stats did so by delaying upgrades, also stats chrono for a long time did fully go into eco or upgrades like charge and collo range etc. so not too weird. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 21:38 Elentos wrote: I mean yes but Rogue is weeks removed from stomping him in the GSL finals while Dark hasn't been too hot since like Super Tournament 1. Rogue weeks removed from winning a GSL sounds like argument against Rogue than for. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Rogue weeks removed from winning a GSL sounds like argument against Rogue than for. With Rogue you don't know until it's time. | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Rogue weeks removed from winning a GSL sounds like argument against Rogue than for. For those out of the loop, Rogue has a tendency to win a big tournament then disappear for a bit before winning another big one. sOs has a similar pattern just MUCH more extreme. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:40 Vindicare605 wrote: For those out of the loop, Rogue has a tendency to win a big tournament then disappear for a bit before winning another big one. sOs has a similar pattern just MUCH more extreme. It is so extreme that he disappeared 5 years ago and still hasn't shown up again yet. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 21:41 Elentos wrote: It is so extreme that he disappeared 5 years ago and still hasn't shown up again yet. sOs is just a forerunner of LotV Kong line. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:41 Elentos wrote: It is so extreme that he disappeared 5 years ago and still hasn't shown up again yet. He was third/fourth at Blizzcon 2018. I wouldn't call that a 5 year disappearance. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:44 Vindicare605 wrote: He was third/fourth at Blizzcon 2018. I wouldn't call that a 5 year disappearance. 5 years without a relevant tournament win and people still bring it up. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:44 Elentos wrote: 5 years without a relevant tournament win and people still bring it up. He had some nice 2nd places, but he's not winning, I give yo uthat. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:49 darklycid wrote: Parting getting more and more frustrated (i felt that oracle loss tho). Understandable, he's not having a good day by any stretch of the imagination. On October 07 2020 21:50 TentativePanda wrote: Just woke up. How are there still 2 matches to be played? There must have been some crazy long games Maru vs PartinG had a game that was over 40 minutes. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:49 darklycid wrote: Parting getting more and more frustrated (i felt that oracle loss tho). I love how expressive these two are while playing. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:50 TentativePanda wrote: Just woke up. How are there still 2 matches to be played? There must have been some crazy long games You should do yourself a favor and rewind to watch Maru's series. | ||
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Other thread: Protoss UP, Toss hasn't won a title in over 5 gazillion years I think we may be at the pinnacle of balance :D | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:56 Harris1st wrote: This thread: Protoss OP, Terran can't win Other thread: Protoss UP, Toss hasn't won a title in over 5 gazillion years I think we may be at the pinnacle of balance :D Yeah well you're just ignoring that the root of all evil is Zerg tho | ||
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Vindicare605
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On October 07 2020 21:56 Harris1st wrote: This thread: Protoss OP, Terran can't win Other thread: Protoss UP, Toss hasn't won a title in over 5 gazillion years I think we may be at the pinnacle of balance :D It's almost as though Protoss has 3 match ups and they are all balanced differently. | ||
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On October 07 2020 21:58 Vindicare605 wrote: This is the first time we've seen Ever Dream tonight right? It is. May be one of the last ones overall, I could see them adjusting maps after the Ro16 is done to match ladder more. | ||
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deacon.frost
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On October 07 2020 21:56 Harris1st wrote: This thread: Protoss OP, Terran can't win Other thread: Protoss UP, Toss hasn't won a title in over 5 gazillion years I think we may be at the pinnacle of balance :D Well, you didn't notice the other thread was mostly whining about PvZ. This is PvT. See the difference? Terran, who won 9 premiere tournament titles from the ROgue patchzerg Blizzcon or Protoss who won 7 premiere tournament tiles or zerg with their shitty 31 titles which include 7 WC titles. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:01 darklycid wrote: I think maru broke parting, he looks so off. He didn't look that great against Maru to begin with. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:02 Elentos wrote: He didn't look that great against Maru to begin with. Not as bad as here tho. | ||
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And i did vote for Maru and PartinG in poll, so it's almost certain ByuN beats Maru now. | ||
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I mean the very fact he won a game. Granted Maru nuked his own army, but he still won a game. Byun killed him in straight sets and Parting made a lot of mistakes that allowed that to happen. Just didn't look as sharp. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:04 Vindicare605 wrote: I mean the very fact he won a game. Granted Maru nuked his own army, but he still won a game. Byun killed him in straight sets and Parting made a lot of mistakes that allowed that to happen. Just didn't look as sharp. Well, maru would've lost that game regardless of the nuke. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:02 Morbidius wrote: Parting is the most overrated player in SC2 right now, and this is supposed to be his good matchup. Nope he has stated multiple times, even at the group selections he prefers pvz over pvt atm | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:08 Javah wrote: It is sad that we have to lose either Maru or ByuN but the games should be good and if ByuN makes it through it would be as close as a perfect day of SC2 as it can be for me. Byun making it through would probably be the worst outcome, as he should get stomped by everyone in the ro8. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:11 darklycid wrote: Byun making it through would probably be the worst outcome, as he should get stomped by everyone in the ro8. Although Maru is surely better, you should have a little more faith in ByuN! For sure Ro8 would be a big hurdle (and for Maru too) but I can definitely see him win over Armani or Zest so... | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:14 Javah wrote: Although Maru is surely better, you should have a little more faith in ByuN! For sure Ro8 would be a big hurdle (and for Maru too) but I can definitely see him win over Armani or Zest so... The winner of this game will face the winner of Group D. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On October 07 2020 22:15 Vindicare605 wrote: The winner of this game will face the winner of Group D. Well, on the incredibly tiny chance Innovation tops it, it's another TvT. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:15 Vindicare605 wrote: The winner of this game will face the winner of Group D. Which technically can be Innovation which would be a very bad news for Maru | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:05 Fuell wrote: Nope he has stated multiple times, even at the group selections he prefers pvz over pvt atm Right now maybe, but PartinG is arguably the best PvT player of all time. Even though right now Stats looks completely unbeatable in the matchup. I can't think of anyone who has chance fighting disruptors while holding the constant zealot and DT harass as well as Maru did. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:17 deacon.frost wrote: Which technically can be Innovation which would be a very bad news for Maru Hey Maru won 3 out of their 4 matches this year. | ||
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Pure entertainment. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:29 dbRic1203 wrote: Just noticed, todays PvT was 5-5, so is the Matchup actually balanced? Well Maru and Stats are absolute gods and look almost untouchable, and PartinG and ByuN look good but on the same level | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:29 dbRic1203 wrote: Just noticed, todays PvT was 5-5, so is the Matchup actually balanced? It is balanced around the fact terran pickers are better players | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:33 nojok wrote: It is balanced around the fact terran pickers are better players But Stats is really good today, can't even deny that as a terran player. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:34 Fango wrote: Why does Artosis think Maru proxied for three of his GSLs? It was only the third season where he proxied every game (which was the meta for terran). The other three were a pretty balanced mix of everything First season even had raven deathballs. | ||
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For literally two games against Dark, out of the roughly 30 he played that season. And even then he never had a huge deathball of them. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:34 wayne19980 wrote: But Stats is really good today, can't even deny that as a terran player. BO3 though, maybe in BO5/7 it can be a lot closer. But hell yeah, he looked in a godform. | ||
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On October 07 2020 22:47 Javah wrote: ByuN is again refusing to go vikings. First game I thought it was because he lost his 2 ravens early and assumed he could not keep up in the air battle but now it seems a stylistic choice. Unfortunately it doesn't really work anymore in contemporary TvT. Eh you can play without vikings. It's not a great style against Maru in particular though. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:57 SamirDuran wrote: wtf you can only pause for technical issues? I think this is the first time in GSL history where there's a pause due to health issues. | ||
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Elentos
55510 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:57 SamirDuran wrote: wtf you can only pause for technical issues? Everything else you should take care of between games. Not like you get disqualified for this tho. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:57 SamirDuran wrote: wtf you can only pause for technical issues? Of course. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Make a fist and rapidly open it, slowly close and do it again. This is the exact opposite of gripping a mouse does and can help prevent rsi's. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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jojamon
133 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17671 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:59 jojamon wrote: Oh man...how come it seems that all the players suffering from wrist issues are T players? Mvp, Maru, Byun? Dark has wrist issues too. | ||
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Javah
France739 Posts
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ytherik
199 Posts
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
I really appreciate GSL giving ByuN a break to recover but at the same time giving him a warning and keeping to the rules, its a good middle ground. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:01 ytherik wrote: I wonder why there is no medical help there at all. In traditional sports if you have a light injury during the game you would get some temporary treatment, like spray his hand with some shit or something to reduce pain at least a little. Probably because injuries in traditional sports are a regular occurrence while in eSports it is not. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:01 ytherik wrote: I wonder why there is no medical help there at all. In traditional sports if you have a light injury during the game you would get some temporary treatment, like spray his hand with some shit or something to reduce pain at least a little. Now that our sport has lasted this long, this is 100% what we need. Before it was all twenty year olds, now that we have a wider range, we need to plan for the future. Good idea to integrate that. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Elentos
55510 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7103 Posts
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rednusa
651 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:01 ytherik wrote: I wonder why there is no medical help there at all. In traditional sports if you have a light injury during the game you would get some temporary treatment, like spray his hand with some shit or something to reduce pain at least a little. They can use the same spray, it's just cold and maybe some painkillers. But we're talking about wrists, where you don't want to kill the pain as much. This should be checked by a doctor and i believe the doctor would say - stop playing, no painkillers. | ||
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umelbumel
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rednusa
651 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:59 jojamon wrote: Oh man...how come it seems that all the players suffering from wrist issues are T players? Mvp, Maru, Byun? Both Dark and Scarlett have also had issues with it. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:07 deacon.frost wrote: Now we know that either Trap or Rogue wins the D group, because JAGW teamkill tradition. It's true | ||
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wayne19980
China9 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:06 deacon.frost wrote: They can use the same spray, it's just cold and maybe some painkillers. But we're talking about wrists, where you don't want to kill the pain as much. This should be checked by a doctor and i believe the doctor would say - stop playing, no painkillers. Anti-inflammatories can actually be somewhat beneficial, but yeah, most doctors would tell you to moderate the activities straining the wrists. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:06 deacon.frost wrote: They can use the same spray, it's just cold and maybe some painkillers. But we're talking about wrists, where you don't want to kill the pain as much. This should be checked by a doctor and i believe the doctor would say - stop playing, no painkillers. To be honest "Stop playing, no painkillers" is valid recipe for any sports-related injury, not just video games. Everyone still takes the painkiller option though. | ||
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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:07 Vindicare605 wrote: Perfect week in liquibets so far. Just need Innovation/Rogue and Reynor/Innovation to advance for it to be a perfect 7 days. Really just need Innovation to play well this week. Don't let me down Inno! sorry to say, its gonna be trap dark | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
Since when have I ever taken your predictions seriously but seriously Group D is as stacked as this one was I hope it lives up to the expectations people have of it after how insane this group was. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 07 2020 23:09 lolfail9001 wrote: To be honest "Stop playing, no painkillers" is valid recipe for any sports-related injury, not just video games. Everyone still takes the painkiller option though. What I mean is that wrists are complicated and I would equal them to a knee injury in the football which is treated more carefully than just "here are painkillers,. cold, continue playing the game". What I am referring to is the on field treatment, not the off-field Once the game ends players are profesionally treated and all the injuries are checked properly. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:59 jojamon wrote: Oh man...how come it seems that all the players suffering from wrist issues are T players? Mvp, Maru, Byun? Special also admitted having that wrist issue, and maybe Clem in future based on his playstyle against Serral/Reynor which can be very taxing too. | ||
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tennisl
United Kingdom44 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4906 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On October 07 2020 22:59 jojamon wrote: Oh man...how come it seems that all the players suffering from wrist issues are T players? Mvp, Maru, Byun? To play bio terran you basically have to stutter step/kite/split units constantly, especially if you play a high micro style. If you watch third person vods of Maru some of the wrist actions he's doing are painful to look at, imagine doing those all day for 10 years. Flash, Mvp, Taeja, ByuN, Maru have all sufferred from pretty bad wrist issues I think, I think TLO did back in the day as well. Maybe MMA as well I can't quite remember. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States677 Posts
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S19Q9A5
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Slydie
1913 Posts
On October 08 2020 03:41 S19Q9A5 wrote: Anyone can explain, why Byun didn't use Ghosts against Ravens? They are always fly together. Has any pro used Ghosts as a Raven counter? It sounds like an unexplored option, but it requires some clunky tech, and controlling a TvT army is pretty technical already, so getting ghosts into position to land those EMPs is not easy! Ghosts are also expensive dead weight except that exact play. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 08 2020 04:30 Slydie wrote: Has any pro used Ghosts as a Raven counter? It sounds like an unexplored option, but it requires some clunky tech, and controlling a TvT army is pretty technical already, so getting ghosts into position to land those EMPs is not easy! Ghosts are also expensive dead weight except that exact play. I've seen it once or twice, but it's very rare. Ravens are faster than ghosts and fly which makes getting the EMPs off before the ravens neutralize all the tanks really difficult. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On October 08 2020 04:30 Slydie wrote: Has any pro used Ghosts as a Raven counter? It sounds like an unexplored option, but it requires some clunky tech, and controlling a TvT army is pretty technical already, so getting ghosts into position to land those EMPs is not easy! Ghosts are also expensive dead weight except that exact play. Agreed - the tech tree is too awkward. Though if imagine ghosts still had lockdown...would have so many uses in TvP too | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25053 Posts
Would highly recommend watching some of the games from the FPVoDs on afgsl3 and afgsl4 and syncing it with the cast. Easier from VoDs now as when live the streams are out of sync Stats and Maru both brought potential championship level play today, and Parting and ByuN played well too, they certainly could have made Ro8 in other groups. Speaking of the FPVoDs if anyone knows a decent method to rip them off Afreeca please hit me up via a PM. I want to pull together some dual FPVoDs from the last few GSL seasons and upload em for the community. At present I have nothing better than doing it in OBS but any buffering which is frequent for me and Afreeca makes syncing then a lot harder | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On October 08 2020 08:02 WombaT wrote: Wow what a stacked group and all its participants really delivered high quality Starcraft, absolute treat. Would highly recommend watching some of the games from the FPVoDs on afgsl3 and afgsl4 and syncing it with the cast. Easier from VoDs now as when live the streams are out of sync Stats and Maru both brought potential championship level play today, and Parting and ByuN played well too, they certainly could have made Ro8 in other groups. Speaking of the FPVoDs if anyone knows a decent method to rip them off Afreeca please hit me up via a PM. I want to pull together some dual FPVoDs from the last few GSL seasons and upload em for the community. At present I have nothing better than doing it in OBS but any buffering which is frequent for me and Afreeca makes syncing then a lot harder They're no longer doing FPVoDs, players are afraid it gives away too much | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 08 2020 04:50 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I've seen it once or twice, but it's very rare. Ravens are faster than ghosts and fly which makes getting the EMPs off before the ravens neutralize all the tanks really difficult. and even if they manage to shutdown all ravens the fight wont be decided by ghosts anyway cuz they cant do shit vs stimmy bois and tanks ;OOo | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
On October 08 2020 08:02 WombaT wrote: Wow what a stacked group and all its participants really delivered high quality Starcraft, absolute treat. Would highly recommend watching some of the games from the FPVoDs on afgsl3 and afgsl4 and syncing it with the cast. Easier from VoDs now as when live the streams are out of sync Stats and Maru both brought potential championship level play today, and Parting and ByuN played well too, they certainly could have made Ro8 in other groups. Speaking of the FPVoDs if anyone knows a decent method to rip them off Afreeca please hit me up via a PM. I want to pull together some dual FPVoDs from the last few GSL seasons and upload em for the community. At present I have nothing better than doing it in OBS but any buffering which is frequent for me and Afreeca makes syncing then a lot harder big boi definitely underperformed tho | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
god im so happy justice was served today | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
Drama aside, that was one hell of a group, and I'm not surprised who made it through and the order in which they advanced. Almost all of the groups and games this season are absolutely savage af. I hope the finals continues the tradition. | ||
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Sophus
18 Posts
(1) The intern who captured and uploaded the video to youtube put an additional audio on the video. You hear a korean guy eat something and talk to his cat. Afterwards there is a complete sitcom??? (2) I watched Byuns face cam a bit. At least since minute 5 of game 2 you can see him struggle with the wrist pain. It is heart wrenching. :-( | ||
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Swisslink
2953 Posts
On October 08 2020 13:30 dUTtrOACh wrote: It's odd that the wrist injury timeout is a warning, but I suppose the rule makes sense, since it's easy to lie. One look at Byun's hand, shaking and swollen at the point of contact with the table, definitely removes any doubt that he was faking. I hope he recovers. Drama aside, that was one hell of a group, and I'm not surprised who made it through and the order in which they advanced. Almost all of the groups and games this season are absolutely savage af. I hope the finals continues the tradition. Does he face any consequences for the first warning? Of course it's hard, but it definitely makes sense to have it really clearly regulated and I would assume some people could potentially abuse any unclear rules. I hope a first warning is not a big issue though. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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chuchutrain
31 Posts
Stats looking really great, Maru got some epic games in there (actually laughed out loud when he nuked his own army - thought he was baiting Parting in!) Quite a sad moment with Byun's wrist and I saw some good comments here about those pain killer sprays footballers use, although you probably don't want to numb your wrist in the middle of a pro game... tough oneParting seems a little bit tilted today... hoping for a rebound for ST, he's always an exciting one to watch (his games with Maru were generally really good as well) On to Group D... what an insane group we have there | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16056 Posts
Yes against Byun, not against Maru, he looked better vs Maru than I've seen him in regular TvP in a while. I really think that Game 2 tilted him. That should have been a relatively straightforward win for him after what happened in the early and midgame and then it turned into THAT only for it to end because Maru made a stupidly awesome mistake, then Maru just wrecked him in Game 3. Parting is an emotional player always has been. It's part of his charm. I think his series with Maru tilted him because he just did not look like the same player vs Byun who is obviously not the same level of TvP that Maru is. | ||
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Topin
Peru10055 Posts
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
On October 08 2020 17:37 Sophus wrote: I just rewatched the match between maru and byun. It was hard to watch. (1) The intern who captured and uploaded the video to youtube put an additional audio on the video. You hear a korean guy eat something and talk to his cat. Afterwards there is a complete sitcom??? The full-stream VOD (of all matches) doesn't appear to have this, but yeah I noticed it too when watching individual matches via sc2links. This isn't the first time I've experienced this in VODs (the intern watching some Korean show or livestream or something while recording the matches) but last night's group was easily the worst and most noticeable instance of this, makes it really hard to watch. For anyone like "wtf are you talking about", listen from 12:50-13:10 and imagine this popping up all over your SC2 vod: | ||
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
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