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Dream and DRG in the playoffs. Maru and Dark out. Can't say I expected that.
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On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore?
What makes you think Zerg still is?
Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those.
Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed.
There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season.
Those changes were effective and it shows.
Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S?
Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments?
Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
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Dominican Republic627 Posts
On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own.
Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
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On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend.
A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
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On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
Yes.
#BaneLivesMatter
On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?"
Makes an interesting TL poll too.
Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
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United States13990 Posts
On July 23 2020 10:06 RKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? Yes. #BaneLivesMatter On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?" Makes an interesting TL poll too. Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once.
Medivacs, remove em and im happy
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On July 23 2020 11:08 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 10:06 RKC wrote:On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? Yes. #BaneLivesMatter On a serious note, it would be interesting to do a 'fun' poll between the pros: "If you had the power to remove a single unit from the other two races, what would it be and why?" Makes an interesting TL poll too. Imagine if SC2 tourney had a 'veto' unit function before every game. In a series, a unit can only be banned once. Medivacs, remove em and im happy
Just remove the enemy workers. Terran wins.
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On July 23 2020 01:06 ilax30 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2020 23:54 Charoisaur wrote:On July 22 2020 23:50 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. Since when is Zerg not OP? It has a steady 55% winrate against Protoss at worst. Banelings and Queens have been nerfed into the ground. In the ground? Yeah that -1 AA range and the bit less dmg to light seems to be really hurting them..
Creep was nerf three times (spread slower, tumor can't be cancelled and + light tag), and transfusion was aslo nerfed.
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On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next?
It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
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I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.
GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units.
We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying
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On July 23 2020 18:10 Harris1st wrote:
I honestly don't see what the problem is with balance right now.
GSL race split seems fine to me. Sure banelings are useful in every matchup. So are other units.
We'll probably end up with 3 P/ 4 T/ 1 Z for a change. But we know Zerg is not weak since Serral and Reynor keep destroying
Do you think that PvZ is a balanced match up?
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On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now?
no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
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Maru won 4 GSLs in a row at a time when Terran was generally struggling. Serral keeps winning both when Zerg was strong and now after nerfs. Both Serral and Maru are obviously great because they don’t need their race to be strong to stand out. Well, maybe not today’s Maru, but he’s always been weak to his teammates. Watching Maru vs Trap was like watching him vs sOs, Trap seemed to have his number.
I’m glad we didn’t get Serral vs Maru for DreamHack Summer Season Finals. It would’ve been so disappointing to see Serral 3-0 Maru after all the build up over 2 years.
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On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them.
It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.
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On July 23 2020 23:31 Arcanefrost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think it's mostly about the maps, but PvZ still seems pretty Zerg favoured. If Protoss doesn't win with an adept all in or some wonky timing, chances are, the Z just stomps them. It's by far the worst matchup in the game right now, both to play and to watch. Protoss can't compete with hive tech so every game ends with some sort of all-in variation.
Yeah, but all other matchups (including ALL 3 mirrors) are pretty damn good right now.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
Trappppppp
Man he just dismantled Maru, wasn’t expecting that in game 2. Game 1 was a bit of trickery but he played a really solid game there in the second.
Happy for Dream, really intriguing Ro8 shaping up.
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United States4126 Posts
Damn that just wasn't Maru's day. You could tell something was off when he had a bunch of his scv's right clicked on a tank.
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On July 23 2020 21:18 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2020 17:47 Luolis wrote:On July 23 2020 09:35 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 08:13 BonitiilloO wrote:On July 23 2020 05:42 Xain0n wrote:On July 23 2020 04:06 Poopi wrote:On July 22 2020 23:37 Xain0n wrote:On July 22 2020 23:31 Morbidius wrote:On July 22 2020 22:40 nojok wrote:
Kinda feel like Korean zergs are the new foreign terrans, can't keep up with the top zergs and the balance around their level. Yeah these foreign Zergs have been sweeping every big tournament like Katowice and Blizzcon. I'll throw in some bait and say that Korean Zerg won the most when their race was op, while now that it isn't they are struggling. What makes you think it isn't anymore? What makes you think Zerg still is? Broodlords and Infestors were nerfed, the buff to lurkers is minor compared to those. Queens, banelings and creep tumors were nerfed. There are less Zerg favored maps even if more than there were last season. Those changes were effective and it shows. Have you watched the last two seasons of Code S? Have you looked at the racial distribution in the last tournaments? Protoss have needed buffs for almost one year and ZvP is still not balanced but Terrans seem to have the upper hand against Zerg or, at least, are easily capable of holding their own. Terran having a ez time vs zerg? looooooooool u seem to be new to the game. terran has the least chances to win vs zerg my friend. A perfect example of terran whiner. Let me guess, we should remove banelings from the game next? It's very off topic, but do you actually think that banelings are fine how they are right now? no, they are too weak after the nerf. Only Reynor and Serral can still do something with them.
Yea they need a buff imo
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Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.
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On July 24 2020 15:12 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Don't burn me for saying this, but I just get this feeling that jinair decides a winner of the match or maru throws games or something. I feel like he is way better than this and he is either not trying or there's some funky business goin on.
Not even a huge maru fanboy. But cmon.
Is he not allowed to have a bad day?
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