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Poll: Who Advances? TY & DRG (23) SpeCial & TY (21) TY & Scarlett (6) Scarlett & SpeCial (4) DRG & Scarlett (2) DRG & SpeCial (2) 58 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): TY & DRG | ||
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On July 15 2020 17:49 dbRic1203 wrote: I expect TY Special but I put my Liquibets on Scarlett Special instead, because this year is absolutly awfull in that regard for me anyways doesn't the normality of Liquibets sucking give some comfort in this awful year? | ||
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On July 15 2020 18:52 [PkF] Wire wrote: excellent game (hail Golden Wall) True, but even for GW this is pretty crazy | ||
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indeed ! But hard to imagine that kind of scenario on any other modern map | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 15 2020 18:54 [PkF] Wire wrote: indeed ! But hard to imagine that kind of scenario on any other modern map Now I'm hoping we get a top-bottom split map situation e: boooh, TY expands upwards | ||
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there was what, 0.3 sec remaining on that +2 ? | ||
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On July 15 2020 18:58 SamirDuran wrote: watching TY's first person view looks like he's playing like maru Maru would've won the game 10 minutes ago. Struggling against Scarlett doesn't say much for TY's TvZ. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:00 Ej_ wrote: Petition to take away the #1 seed swap it's really bad... guaranteeing a bottom 4 GSL player to reach the RO8 | ||
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On July 15 2020 18:58 SamirDuran wrote: watching TY's first person view looks like he's playing like maru Well he's just playing like TY you know It's sick to watch indeed | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:01 Waxangel wrote: it's really bad... guaranteeing a bottom 4 GSL player to reach the RO8 I tend to agree that with the format change which assures the champion is in the ro16 having the first pick and a ro16 seed is already good enough | ||
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sneakyfox
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On July 15 2020 19:01 Waxangel wrote: it's really bad... guaranteeing a bottom 4 GSL player to reach the RO8 Well Scarlett was just TY's regular player pick. And bottom 4 GSL player? Pretty sure they were eliminated in the Ro24. But yeah, there is no reason to have the swap other than group nomination hilarity. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On July 15 2020 19:03 sneakyfox wrote: Well Scarlett was just TY's regular player pick. And bottom 4 GSL player? Pretty sure they were eliminated in the Ro24. yeah, I don't think Wax meant bottom 4. But basically yeah none of DRG / SpeCial / Scarlett would have been considered top 1-8 in this ro16 yet one is guaranteed to get in the top 8. I understand how this can annoy some. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:03 sneakyfox wrote: Well Scarlett was just TY's regular player pick. And bottom 4 GSL player? Pretty sure they were eliminated in the Ro24. But yeah, there is no reason to have the swap other than group nomination hilarity. It makes ro16 Group A always really underwhelming since it's a freebie for the champion, aside of guaranteeing one of the 3 or 4 worst players in the ro16 to make ro8. | ||
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Yello
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On July 15 2020 18:58 SamirDuran wrote: watching TY's first person view looks like he's playing like maru are there first person streams? | ||
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on afreeca yeah they're sick to watch, if you've never tried you should | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:06 sudete wrote: You can see what TY thinks of Scarlett based on his decision to go for 2-1-1 twice in a row It's actually a very good read since it's a freebie against mutalisk builds and roach all-ins. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:05 Ej_ wrote: It makes ro16 Group A always really underwhelming since it's a freebie for the champion, aside of guaranteeing one of the 3 or 4 worst players in the ro16 to make ro8. Yeah I get it, and I agree. But Scarlett would have gone here regardless of the swap. So you haven't seen anything yet that you wouldn't also have seen without the swap. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:07 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah I get it, and I agree. But Scarlett would have gone here regardless of the swap. So you haven't seen anything yet that you wouldn't also have seen without the swap. indeed. Since Scarlett chose Special then if DRG plays at a high enough level the pick won't have changed much. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:10 sudete wrote: See if Prince was here he would have given a shorter but more entertaining series come on g1 didn't entertain you ? I thought it was a hell of a lot of fun | ||
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I don't think the 2 base spire build is that good against the early stim/2nd rax build. It's mostly effective against hellion-based greedy macro builds like the classic 3cc reactor hellions opener. | ||
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sudete
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On July 15 2020 19:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: come on g1 didn't entertain you ? I thought it was a hell of a lot of fun It was entertaining but it wasn't cannon-rush-into-missed-walloff entertaining | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:11 Circumstance wrote: Who looked worse in that moment: Scarlett for rally pointing the Mutas over the Marines, or TY for not picking them off? If you watched the FPV you could see that this happened exactly when the mutas hit the main and TY moved the camera there to micro. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:11 [PkF] Wire wrote: come on g1 didn't entertain you ? I thought it was a hell of a lot of fun I thought it was more frustrating than anything else. Watching Scarlett refuse to make an Overseer against Tunneling Claws Widow Mines, and try and transition into Hydralisks which lacked any upgrades while TY just took over the map. All Scarlett had going for her was her runbys which honestly didn't mean much because of how far ahead he was the entire game in army supply. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:11 Vindicare605 wrote: Pretty underwhelming series honestly. Tastetosis was making that first game sound a lot more competitive than it was. I don't really think so. Ty had very few SCV's on a two base mining economy for quite a while in the game. Scarlett only lost toward the end when she took some bad fights and let TY macro a little too easily behind it. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:14 Alucen-Will- wrote: I don't really think so. Ty had very few SCV's on a two base mining economy for quite a while in the game. Scarlett only lost toward the end when she took some bad fights and let TY macro a little too easily behind it. Two base mining economy when one of those bases was gold. =/= "only a two base economy" | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:09 [PkF] Wire wrote: indeed. Since Scarlett chose Special then if DRG plays at a high enough level the pick won't have changed much. I really hate the swap mechanic as well and if TY didnt have the swap SpeCial wouldn't have been available for Scarlett to chose. SpeCial was only left unpicked becuase players feared TYs swap. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:13 Vindicare605 wrote: I thought it was more frustrating than anything else. Watching Scarlett refuse to make an Overseer against Tunneling Claws Widow Mines, and try and transition into Hydralisks which lacked any upgrades while TY just took over the map. All Scarlett had going for her was her runbys which honestly didn't mean much because of how far ahead he was the entire game in army supply. Well, I believe when them mines happened Scarlett was pretty starved on gas. I am at work so maybe I missed some stuff. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:14 Vindicare605 wrote: Two base mining economy when one of those bases was gold. =/= "only a two base economy" Sort of. He only had 11 SCV's and Scarlett had like 40-50 drones or so for quite a while. She wasn't really that far behind. The linchpin of her loss was just several bad fights with some unfortunate widow mine hits and a correlated harass | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:14 Shuffleblade wrote: I really hate the swap mechanic as well and if TY didnt have the swap SpeCial wouldn't have been available for Scarlett to chose. SpeCial was only left unpicked becuase players feared TYs swap. yeah probably. It indeed affects player picks so it's hard to gauge. I have already said that I agree the swap shouldn't be a thing. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:15 Alucen-Will- wrote: Sort of. He only had 11 SCV's and scarlett had like 40-50 drones or so for quite a while. She wasn't really that far behind I missed the game and have just rewound on youtube. The game is over when TY has 9 workers and they are even in overall supply. Scarlett can't do anything about TY mass expanding while running circles around her. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:06 Ej_ wrote: So jokes aside, 211 is the best build in the game vs 2 base muta. It's actually a very good read since it's a freebie against mutalisk builds and roach all-ins. IIRC Lambo said that 3CC is the best response to 2base muta. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:11 Vindicare605 wrote: Pretty underwhelming series honestly. Tastetosis was making that first game sound a lot more competitive than it was. I mean that s their job right? They ve never realy tried to point out how early- (mid-) game advantages translate into mid (late-) game and always make it seem like both players are even until one is super dead. Wich is good in terms of excitement but often times leads some more casual viewers to just blame balance, when in reality the losing player was slacking behind from the beginning, because of bad opener/ build order counter/ early damage/ whatever | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:17 Ej_ wrote: I missed the game and have just rewound on youtube. The game is over when TY has 9 workers and they are even in overall supply. Scarlett can't do anything about TY mass expanding while running circles around her. For once I agree with Ej_. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:17 sneakyfox wrote: Well we kinda need Special to win here to get the grudge match in the winner's Hmm, agree. And then have DRG win with the rematch curse | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:18 pvsnp wrote: IIRC Lambo said that 3CC is the best response to 2base muta. Yeah but that one struggles vs roach all-in builds (rax CC fact CC actually just dies). The best best build vs 2h muta is CC rax CC rax fact starport (3cc 211). Regular 211 is still a massive BO advantage since it takes away all advantages and timing windows 2h muta has over a Terran. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:20 Penev wrote: Hmm, agree. And then have DRG win with the rematch curse Sold! | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:25 Ej_ wrote: Artosis making it sound like DRG has been back for a week and not a year. Has it really been a year? Time flies. | ||
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now it's 15 scary! | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:29 Ej_ wrote: 7 mutalisk switch vs 2/1 mech now it's 15 scary! Very scary, as it turns out. | ||
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Foreigner moment #37 | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:32 deacon.frost wrote: Is Arty biased towards Special? Like yeah, those corruptors were useless, but the muta switch was after forcing Special into anti-ground army IMO. I normally give them a pass most nights, but they've been badly misreading these games tonight so far, very uncharacteristically. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:32 Kuchikikun wrote: Now Juanito knows what a protoss player feels like during a Muta switch Yeah, not making cyclones is the terran equivalent of forgetting that you can make archons. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:32 RPR_Tempest wrote: Did Special see DRG shit on the proxy rax last round? There aren't many people I'd be more confident in to hold a 3 rax RIP | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:35 nojok wrote: Is it wings of liberty? No, the raxes weren't made in Terran's main. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:35 [PkF] Wire wrote: so far the series doesn't fit too well into the "this group is still competitive in spite of the swap !" narrative | ||
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Haha he actually had it and was holding it super well, then just chased too far and lost his drones | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:36 sudete wrote: I just really hope TY progresses so that we only have to see 1 of the other 3 in the ro8 strangely enough, I'm not too worried for you | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:36 sudete wrote: I just really hope TY progresses so that we only have to see 1 of the other 3 in the ro8 It's basically a given TY makes it through | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:38 Ej_ wrote: Yo this is not that good for the Zerg I think this is pretty equal and will normalize | ||
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Holy shit you're really pushing the jinx here mate | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:38 Ej_ wrote: Yo this is not that good for the Zerg Juanito chasing those drones instead of going for the natural was the best possible move he could have made there to get maximum value after getting spotted | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think this is pretty equal and will normalize Not great, not terrible. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:39 [PkF] Wire wrote: I think this is pretty equal and will normalize Agreed, but this is definitely not the desired outcome when you spot 2rax undected. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:39 sneakyfox wrote: Holy shit you're really pushing the jinx here mate There are limits to even my jinxing powers | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:40 Ej_ wrote: Agreed, but this is definitely not the desired outcome when you spot 2rax undected. yeah I expected DRG to come out comfortably ahead too | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:42 Ej_ wrote: THIS IS A VERY TOUGH GROUP THE SICKEST GSL RO** EVER | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:42 Ej_ wrote: THIS IS A VERY TOUGH GROUP yeah that sentence made me shiver a bit | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:45 RPR_Tempest wrote: I don't really understand the decision to go for roaches instead of pure ling/bane. As proven by that engagement, roaches are...not really the best. ... | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:45 RPR_Tempest wrote: I don't really understand the decision to go for roaches instead of pure ling/bane. As proven by that engagement, roaches are...not really the best. I mean, they won him the game.... | ||
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Think about how much easier it would have been if it was that much supply of ling/bane instead. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:46 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah to me it seems that DRG is quite a bit above Scarlett and Special, even if he would be the weakest Ro8 player same. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:46 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah to me it seems that DRG is quite a bit above Scarlett and Special, even if he would be the weakest Ro8 player I can't wait for him to lose to a 12pool in the final game of the night. | ||
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Good news is no mirror matches. Hoping DRG beats TY... doubt it though | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:47 Ej_ wrote: I can't wait for him to lose to a 12pool in the final game of the night. you think Scarlett beats Special ? I can picture what you describe but I'm unsure about the losers match | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:46 RPR_Tempest wrote: Think about how much easier it would have been if it was that much supply of ling/bane instead. 1) he would have had a lot less supply cuz its not inflated like RR 2) off creep ling bane vs tanks and walls.. I am hoping for some of the dank builds like 2 base nydus SH or lurker drop for scarlett vs special :D | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:47 serralfan18 wrote: Great play. Reminds me of them DRG would 6 minute roach max against Protoss. Good news is no mirror matches. Hoping DRG beats TY... doubt it though This sounds like most nostalgic comments about Stephano, except the roach max timing has somehow decreased to a point that it can only be explained by having a 24 worker start. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:47 Ej_ wrote: I can't wait for him to lose to a 12pool in the final game of the night. If Scarlett plays like she did vs TY she won't make it to the final match. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:46 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah to me it seems that DRG is quite a bit above Scarlett and Special, even if he would be the weakest Ro8 player I think Special is better but he made weird desicions in games 1 and 3, he was very ahead in game 1 and the muta switch took him by surprise. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:50 Lexender wrote: I think Special is better but he made weird desicions in games 1 and 3, he was very ahead in game 1 and the muta switch took him by surprise. I think the speed of the transition took him by surprise rather than the mutas themselves. He was clearly preparing for mutas. He was just like 20 second too late. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:53 Ej_ wrote: I can't believe that Zest vs soO made it to their list. ` It's probably more about the history than the games. | ||
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Maybe they just included it to torture soO with that Yeonsu games though | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:54 Alucen-Will- wrote: The Zest soO finals had a decent number of long- macro games . Maybe they just included it to torture soO with that Yeonsu games though It's the one where soO throws on Yeonsu and arguably on Alterzim. It was not pretty. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:56 Ej_ wrote: It's the one where soO throws on Yeonsu and arguably on Alterzim. It was not pretty. I think the Yeonsu game has to be the biggest choke in Sc2 history that I can remember. Maybe Inno vs Soulkey was bigger actually | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:57 Alucen-Will- wrote: I think the Yeonsu game has to be the biggest choke in Sc2 history that I can remember. Maybe Inno vs Soulkey was bigger actually Tefel vs Mvp on Neo Planet S | ||
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My own pick is Rain vs InCa on Terminus RE | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:58 SamirDuran wrote: man if soo has just won all of this finals then there would be no discussion on who is the greatest of all time... I mean, the final vs Zest was the only one where he had a fighting chance. | ||
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On July 15 2020 19:59 Ej_ wrote: I mean, the final vs Zest was the only one where he had a fighting chance. Well he is looking relentless on all of his games that is not finals. I was so sad back then when he is not winning. Then I cried when he finally won IEM. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:07 pvsnp wrote: What is that orbital doing halfway across the map? He set rally of all 3 CCs where he was supposed to send his hellions to. | ||
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Well, letting that burn down was a big mistake. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:18 [PkF] Wire wrote: not bad at all for DRG !!! Yeah indeed. Still, I blame Penev for this. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: btw I hate to say it but TY doesn't look like someone who'll be able to beat Serral or Reynor in the upcoming season finals. Yeah, good thing he only has T and P in his group. But this does seem like a bit of an off day, hopefully he'd be in better shape for the weekend. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:24 Ej_ wrote: Is this the best proxy rax holder in the world here? yeah I probably don't know about all the intricacies and maybe his 6 drones pull works very well in other situations but T players seem to have this answer easily mapped out | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:26 pvsnp wrote: All mummies are zombies, but not all zombies are mummies. I am very confident that of all the so far uncovered mummies, precisely 0 are zombies. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:25 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah, good thing he only has T and P in his group. But this does seem like a bit of an off day, hopefully he'd be in better shape for the weekend. I can indeed picture a world where he somehow dodges them but this shape doesn't look sufficient another proxy rax for g3 ? | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:27 Andi_Goldberger wrote: TY obviously sandbagging for season finals tzz Considering it's called the season finals, the prizepool is surprisingly smaller than the qualifying tournaments. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: btw I hate to say it but TY doesn't look like someone who'll be able to beat Serral or Reynor in the upcoming season finals. Ye of little faith! Depends how he encounters them IMO. If he’s got some prep time to plan a series I give him a shot. If it’s a gauntlet and a wide range of potential opponents and TY has to go toe to toe with either of those in a bo7 I share your concerns. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:32 Wombat_NI wrote: Ye of little faith! Depends how he encounters them IMO. If he’s got some prep time to plan a series I give him a shot. If it’s a gauntlet and a wide range of potential opponents and TY has to go toe to toe with either of those in a bo7 I share your concerns. I always have faith in TY, he's probably my favorite player ^^ but I find his recent form a bit concerning by his (incredible) standards, be it Douyu Cup or this | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:34 [PkF] Wire wrote: I always have faith in TY, he's probably my favorite player ^^ but I find his recent form a bit concerning by his (incredible) standards, be it Douyu Cup or this Post-championship slumps aren't a new thing. | ||
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ofc say what you want about TY's form though, DRG looks more and more promising | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:41 Andi_Goldberger wrote: did he just abduct a single marine lmao So efficient. Makes absolute use of what energy he’s got DRG is really playing bloody well today. Between him and the flashes we’ve seen from TaeJa Code S has a brother future than I’d have thought a few months ago. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:45 RPR_Tempest wrote: Progamers come and go, but there will always be only One True Dong. And his name is Jaedong. To be fair, DRG is looking great here. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:45 sneakyfox wrote: This just confirms what we already know tbh. DRG read the LR before the match and got pissed at all the people trash talking him here DRG is pretty good at English and has done TL.net stuff since 2011, maybe it's true | ||
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as much as I love TY it feels so heartwarming to see the old guard looking good after the military !!! Hoping for TY to still qualify ofc, and not too worried . | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:45 pvsnp wrote: And his name is Jaedong. To be fair, DRG is looking great here. Nah we had this debate back in 2013, we settled on Jaedong as The Dong (or The Original Dong) but DRG is The One True Dong | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:46 Waxangel wrote: DRG is pretty good at English and has done TL.net stuff since 2011, maybe it's true Of course it's true, it's always true. DRG being the only (?) Korean progamer who actually writes on TL is just icing on the cake | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:48 Lexender wrote: Damn what the hell was TY doing. Playing bad? | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:48 Lexender wrote: Damn what the hell was TY doing. Losing. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:50 Waxangel wrote: DRG used to be such a cheerful youth too bad the military sapped all of the mirth and joy out of him He became a stoic man. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:50 Waxangel wrote: DRG used to be such a cheerful youth too bad the military sapped all of the mirth and joy out of him ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HCvDErp.gif) | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:49 swarminfestor wrote: TY must be so regretful right now. Eh he's still likely to advance and he probably wouldn't have had an easier Ro8 opponent if he got first anyway. I think he'll be alright with his teammate getting out before him. | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:49 sneakyfox wrote: Of course it's true, it's always true. DRG being the only (?) Korean progamer who actually writes on TL is just icing on the cake Really? Now he's even more cool than I thought! A GSL champ writing on TL! | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:48 Argonauta wrote: Aah such a pleasure when the overhyped by the casters TY fails to deliver. Sweet. Can ya blame them for hyping a colleague? | ||
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On July 15 2020 20:54 deacon.frost wrote: Really? Now he's even more cool than I thought! A GSL champ writing on TL! Sure, you can write him in his fan club, he responds once in a while. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:00 pvsnp wrote: Given TY's form today, Special has a real chance at pulling off an upset in the decider. Maybe but that is TvT which TY is pretty alright at That match would probably have more mech than all the TvZs today combined | ||
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Not to mention current reigning champion. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Either TY took a page out of Maru's book and figured the group was easy enough that he didn't bother practicing, or has he just not been trying at all since his win? Well, the latest day-in-the-life video on his Youtube says he's been playing Maplestory with Rogue (don't take this too seriously, he's been playing maple story for like 10 years) | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Either TY took a page out of Maru's book and figured the group was easy enough that he didn't bother practicing, or has he just not been trying at all since his win? I don't know. TY has always had a tendency to have off-days, but it's just not very often in GSL groups. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:16 Fango wrote: Either TY took a page out of Maru's book and figured the group was easy enough that he didn't bother practicing, or has he just not been trying at all since his win? I think he just took things a bit too easy because... well the group is easy. Not the first time. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:18 Waxangel wrote: Well, the latest day-in-the-life video on his Youtube says he's been playing Maplestory with Rogue (don't take this too seriously, he's been playing maple story for like 10 years) Maplestory 1 or 2? | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:19 sneakyfox wrote: I don't know. TY has always had a tendency to have off-days, but it's just not very often in GSL groups. He doesn't usually look this bad though. He's only lost like two (?) GSL groups in the 13 seasons of LotV | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:21 Fango wrote: He doesn't usually look this bad though. He's only lost like two (?) GSL groups in the 13 seasons of LotV Yeah, that's what makes it strange. Maybe he only practiced TvT because he's so pissed at Special | ||
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Special's harass is really good but his big fights are awful. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:23 pvsnp wrote: I haven't seen splits that bad since aLive was around. Special's harass is really good but his big fights are awful. it's fine; the best version of SpeCial is always gonna be some form of GuMiho; amazing strats, bad micro, heavy focus on multi-prong attacks. That was good enough to win GuMiho a championship so no complaints ;o | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:26 Waxangel wrote: it's fine; the best version of SpeCial is always gonna be some form of GuMiho; amazing strats, bad micro, heavy focus on multi-prong attacks. That was good enough to win GuMiho a championship so no complaints ;o Gumiho was wise enough to go mech. | ||
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I actually think the mech-bio ratio for SpeCial is pretty similar to GuMigod | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:29 Waxangel wrote: I actually think the mech-bio ratio for SpeCial is pretty similar to GuMigod When Gumiho won the korean zergs didn't seem to know how to play vs mech though. Not until Rogue started smashing it in the later season. He also had better TvT and some miraculous bracket luck | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:29 Waxangel wrote: I actually think the mech-bio ratio for SpeCial is pretty similar to GuMigod Maybe, but Gumiho won his GSL with mech. Against soO, admittedly. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:35 Alucen-Will- wrote: Interesting to note that Eternal Empire hasn't been chosen thus far in this series. I think it might be the first time this entire Code S I think we'd see it 99% in the TvT. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:29 Waxangel wrote: I actually think the mech-bio ratio for SpeCial is pretty similar to GuMigod I really doubt that. Special is more meta and mindgame adjusted. Gumi tried making it work when nobody else really was. | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:39 Elentos wrote: I really doubt that. Special is more meta and mindgame adjusted. Gumi tried making it work when nobody else really was. Dunno mang, SpeCial (and TY) have been pretty mech obsessed in supposedly bad metas! | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:40 Waxangel wrote: Dunno mang, SpeCial (and TY) have been pretty mech obsessed in supposedly bad metas! Feel free to research the topic | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:40 Waxangel wrote: Dunno mang, SpeCial (and TY) have been pretty mech obsessed in supposedly bad metas! Has that ever worked out for them though? I don't really remember TY winning any high profile matches with mech. | ||
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I should be saying that to you | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:42 Fango wrote: Has that ever worked out for them though? I don't really remember TY winning any high profile matches with mech. He's had some really high profile throws with mech tho | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:45 Elentos wrote: He's had some really high profile throws with mech tho Hmm I think you're getting him mixed up with John Sun now | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:45 Elentos wrote: He's had some really high profile throws with mech tho That's what I was thinking. Blizzcon 2017 would have been a free win if he didn't lose two mech games in a row to Rogue in the ro4 edit: thinking about it that actually happened a lot in 2017. In the ro8s of Code S seasons 1 and 2 he went up 2-0 then tried to play mech and lost | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:54 geokilla wrote: Scarlett with the mediocre creep spread and weird unit composition. Why are so many pros trying to use Lurkers now? Because every other Zerg unit sucks vs mech | ||
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Let's see how that plays out  | ||
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On July 15 2020 21:54 geokilla wrote: Scarlett with the mediocre creep spread and weird unit composition. Why are so many pros trying to use Lurkers now? reynor won with it | ||
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Reynor also is confident in playing with that strategy and looked quite a bit stronger with his lurker style. | ||
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Okay but nobody is playing mech in the lurker games | ||
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e: I guess not, got lucky with the banshee, and Special not exactly pushing his advantage | ||
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It's the new phoenix wars | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:41 deacon.frost wrote: lulzwat? those upgrades are huge in cyclone v cyclone, isn't it? idk if this is ironic but they literally dont mattera t all in cyclone war theres a game in TSL where SpeCial won vs Cure in cyclone wars with 0-0 vs 3-3 of cure :D | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:41 deacon.frost wrote: lulzwat? those upgrades are huge in cyclone v cyclone, isn't it? Nah lock on is a spell. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:41 deacon.frost wrote: lulzwat? those upgrades are huge in cyclone v cyclone, isn't it? Special won a game with 0/0 Cyclones vs 3/3 Cyclones | ||
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They changed it? I was getting armors againt them xD I missed the change then | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:43 deacon.frost wrote: They changed it? I was getting armors againt them xD I missed the change then It's always been a spell..... Maybe you're thinking of old cyclones which had a really fast autoattack and a shitty lock on. Current cyclones have a shitty autoattack and a really strong lock on. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:45 Andi_Goldberger wrote: there was that cylcone version with a low dmg high attack speed attack vs ground but that was in the game for like 1 yr only That version still had a lock on spell, it was just really shitty. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:45 pvsnp wrote: It's always been a spell..... Maybe you're thinking of old cyclones which had a really fast regular attack and a shitty lock on. probably so. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:43 blooblooblahblah wrote: Special playing so uncleanly all day which is a shame cos his position was really nice at one point Ahhh the typical SpeCial tragedy | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:45 Andi_Goldberger wrote: there was that cylcone version with a low dmg high attack speed attack vs ground but that was in the game for like 1 yr only, armor upgrades rule vs that but not vs current/original one Yeah, I think I caught mostly that version and it sticked with me. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:49 pvsnp wrote: Special somehow manages to keep getting advantages and then throwing them away. He looked so good during many stages of the game, but he lost track of parts of his army multiple times, I guess he got outmultitasked in the end. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:53 sneakyfox wrote: And with this win, TY now has a whopping 70% map winrate in TvT, obviously the greatest all time in GSL Code S. And yet he lost against Maru in the Code S finals. MARU! | ||
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For the winner of the group; I might be failing to reocgnize DRG's current impressive form, but I expect him to knocked out in the next round. He will probably be the weakest player in a longer series if you look at the final three groups lineup. All of the players liable to make it out are Code S champions or S tiers players as is. His performance today thrives in part on some of the weaknesses of his opponents as much as it does stellar form on his own part. Even if this seems too pessismistic considering his play today, making it to the quarterfinals of code s is always an indicator of a certain level of play. | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:54 HolydaKing wrote: He looked so good during many stages of the game, but he lost track of parts of his army multiple times, I guess he got outmultitasked in the end. Special is the king of looking great and then making dumb mistakes. It’s really frustrating to watch when he’s your favorite player haha. The games vs DRG and Scarlett looked pretty bad. Then he looked overall very good against TY, but it’s TY. I’d be excited for him in the season finals since his TvT was looking good and half the players are T, but unfortunately the Terran in his group is Maru lol | ||
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On July 15 2020 22:53 Fuell wrote: 25 years of starcraft, foreigners still kind of suck Wise words, true story. | ||
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Sometimes I do wonder why though... Hasn't Scarlett and Special been in Korean for a few years now? I believe SC to be a skills-based game (or games), you'd have thought that they would have better showing than that? (or over the years in GSL?) That being said though, DRG and TY today are more than worthy advancers (Actually that all being said, you'd wonder how well would someone like Serral do in GSL, don't you? Would love for that to happen  ) | ||
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On July 15 2020 23:50 chuchutrain wrote: Sometimes I do wonder why though... Hasn't Scarlett and Special been in Korean for a few years now? I believe SC to be a skills-based game (or games), you'd have thought that they would have better showing than that? (or over the years in GSL?) That being said though, DRG and TY today are more than worthy advancers (Actually that all being said, you'd wonder how well would someone like Serral do in GSL, don't you? Would love for that to happen ) You misunderstand me, it was sarcasm; Fuell here just spat out a senseless clichè. Scarlett and Special went to the ro16 of Code S, that alone is appreciable and shouldn't be regarded as "sucking"; you also have to take into consideration they are far from being the best foreigners. As for Serral, how would someone with 70% + wr in maps and 82% wr in series against koreans since 2018 perform in Code S in your opinion? | ||
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On July 16 2020 00:59 TentativePanda wrote: Scanning through DRG vs TY. Did I just watch TY fly an orbital and handful of scvs halfway across the map? I’m sure that’s happened before but I haven’t seen it (at least when it’s your third) yeah, the orbital moved a bit further than it needed to, 5 scvs camped right in front of creep | ||
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On July 16 2020 00:10 Xain0n wrote: You misunderstand me, it was sarcasm; Fuell here just spat out a senseless clichè. Scarlett and Special went to the ro16 of Code S, that alone is appreciable and shouldn't be regarded as "sucking"; you also have to take into consideration they are far from being the best foreigners. As for Serral, how would someone with 70% + wr in maps and 82% wr in series against koreans since 2018 perform in Code S in your opinion? Well, that's hard to judge. I think a GSL is - purely from the format - a dfferent story than most other tournaments. Today, Scarlett didn't play very well unfortunately. DRG on the other side was impressively strong. I wonder how far he can get this tournament. | ||
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As for Serral, how would someone with 70% + wr in maps and 82% wr in series against koreans since 2018 perform in Code S in your opinion? Can you do that in alligulac? Would be a cool feature. Create a virtual tournament. You could take the runner up from last GSL, find out all the opponents he played, match serral against all the same opponents, and then see the overall chance of him getting through to the final, and of course winning that final match :D. Would be interesting. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On July 16 2020 00:10 Xain0n wrote: You misunderstand me, it was sarcasm; Fuell here just spat out a senseless clichè. Scarlett and Special went to the ro16 of Code S, that alone is appreciable and shouldn't be regarded as "sucking"; you also have to take into consideration they are far from being the best foreigners. As for Serral, how would someone with 70% + wr in maps and 82% wr in series against koreans since 2018 perform in Code S in your opinion? Rogue has 3 world chmapionship titles with much worse stats while Serral has epic 1. Maybe the map stats and match stats are useless in the terms of judging a player. And it's not like Serral didn't participate in them tournaments. Actually Rogue won both Katowice titles while Serral was there The 2nd IEM WC title with SErral having them statsorz!!! | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 16 2020 02:00 deacon.frost wrote: Rogue has 3 world chmapionship titles with much worse stats while Serral has epic 1. Maybe the map stats and match stats are useless in the terms of judging a player. And it's not like Serral didn't participate in them tournaments. Actually Rogue won both Katowice titles while Serral was there The 2nd IEM WC title with SErral having them statsorz!!!First, I'll step down to answer you that none of the perceived GOATs have won a single World Championship. Of course map and match stats are useful to understand the caliber of a player(it's not like Serral has been a choker and he hasn't won titles, either). On topic, what was this pointless bait? The point is that foreigners definitely do not suck in 2020 and that Serral would have performed in Code S like the star player he is, without any doubt. | ||
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sneakyfox
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greenturtle23
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Ty looked mortal this series, but I expect him to do better next round. Impressive showing from drg. | ||
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pvsnp
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Topin
Peru10038 Posts
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sertman
United States540 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
On July 16 2020 13:40 sertman wrote: I am so fucking stoked for DRG, I don't have words. My favorite player ever is back! happy for you, was hoping the same would happen with taeja =/ | ||
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