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On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders.
problem is that, if I'm not mistaken, both Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead didn't enter the worst map contest while Dasan Station even entered the best map contest (and actually got Xel'naga Caverns in the ro32 guaranteeing a terrible map in the ro16)
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On July 14 2020 01:19 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. problem is that, if I'm not mistaken, both Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead didn't enter the worst map contest while Dasan Station even entered the best map contest (and actually got Xel'naga Caverns in the ro32 guaranteeing a terrible map in the ro16)
Oh I didn't see the nominated maps yet.
Incineration Zone was an absolutely terrible map though that is nominated.
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Canada8991 Posts
On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders.
I'm curious why Dasan?
It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally.
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On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally.
wasn't it like weird rush builds everygame because nobody wanted to play macro on it?
The only real game I remember on it was that one Scarlett vs Stats (I think?) game
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On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally.
Dasan had exactly 1 good tournament game on it in its thankfully limited time and that was Scarlett vs Stats. Most egregiously, every TvP was pylon rush from Protoss vs 1-base 1/1/1 from Terran.
On July 14 2020 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally. wasn't it like weird rush builds everygame because nobody wanted to play macro on it? The only real game I remember on it was that one Scarlett vs Stats (I think?) game
It's the only good game on Dasan but despite it being a great game it's hard to call "real" because it started with a drone rush.
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Well, I thought I was always voting for the best map, so I've tainted the results 
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Canada8991 Posts
On July 14 2020 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally. wasn't it like weird rush builds everygame because nobody wanted to play macro on it? The only real game I remember on it was that one Scarlett vs Stats (I think?) game
Y'a kinda, but sometime the cheeses devolved into macro game that were pretty good, I remember a tvz in particular but I can't quite remember the players (I think special was in it?)
But more importantly the rushes were generally pretty imaginative and map specific, that's a big plus for me (The proxy gold base spine rush for example) and not just unbeatable ling flood or blink stalker rushes because of shitty base design. IDK I was always exited to have it played, although it depend what you're looking for in a Starcraft game I guess.
Also, I'm kind of amaze Central Protocol didn't made the worst maps list.
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On July 14 2020 01:37 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally. wasn't it like weird rush builds everygame because nobody wanted to play macro on it? The only real game I remember on it was that one Scarlett vs Stats (I think?) game Y'a kinda, but sometime the cheeses devolved into macro game that were pretty good, I remember a tvz in particular but I can't quite remember the players (I think special was in it?) But more importantly the rushes were generally pretty imaginative and map specific, that's a big plus for me (The proxy gold base spine rush for example) and not just unbeatable ling flood or blink stalker rushes because of shitty base design. IDK I was always exited to have it played, although it depend what you're looking for in a Starcraft game I guess. Also, I'm kind of amaze Central Protocol didn't made the worst maps list.
Central is probably spared a worse fate cause most people were spared from seeing/playing it more than a handful of times.
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Canada8991 Posts
On July 14 2020 01:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2020 01:37 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2020 01:32 Charoisaur wrote:On July 14 2020 01:29 Nakajin wrote:On July 14 2020 01:09 Charoisaur wrote:On July 13 2020 23:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
ez pz
(maybe consider links over images that take ages to charge for slow connexions like mine and it's indeed cool to take winrates in consideration)
- KSS wins the duel of the stations handily
- XNC for sheer history
- TDA beats Nimbus every day
- NPS is another easy choice
I care less for the worst map ever tourney, will just mention I voted Daedalus which will probably be a contender for the title (I can see Secret Spring putting it in danger, but Daedalus is so bad this is stuff legends are made of).
Dasan Station is my pick for worst map but Secret Spring was also terrible. Moonlight Madness and Bridgehead are also serious contenders. I'm curious why Dasan? It's a weird map but I don't remember it leading to especially bad games, even the opposite sometime. I'd say it's the second best "weird" map behind Habitation Station personally. wasn't it like weird rush builds everygame because nobody wanted to play macro on it? The only real game I remember on it was that one Scarlett vs Stats (I think?) game Y'a kinda, but sometime the cheeses devolved into macro game that were pretty good, I remember a tvz in particular but I can't quite remember the players (I think special was in it?) But more importantly the rushes were generally pretty imaginative and map specific, that's a big plus for me (The proxy gold base spine rush for example) and not just unbeatable ling flood or blink stalker rushes because of shitty base design. IDK I was always exited to have it played, although it depend what you're looking for in a Starcraft game I guess. Also, I'm kind of amaze Central Protocol didn't made the worst maps list. Central is probably spared a worse fate cause most people were spared from seeing/playing it more than a handful of times.
Hum, I've just gone back by curiosity and Central got 0 votes..... shouldn't it be on there? 
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is terminus omitted because of the amount of dead airspace or from size
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For best maps I'm disappointed Catalyst is already out which would be a contender for me.
Other than that Daybreak, KSS and Abyssal Reef should be the favourites. I also really enjoyed Odyssey but apparently I was pretty alone with that.
and Port Aleksander was also really good.
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On July 13 2020 09:49 Solar424 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Groups 29-32 results: + Show Spoiler +This concludes the group stage of the tournament. The first 4 Ro32 polls will be added to this post once I have finished building the brackets. Seeds for the best map bracket: + Show Spoiler +1 King Sejong Station
2 Metalopolis
3 Overgrowth
4 Catallena
5 Cloud Kingdom
6 Abyssal Reef
7 Daybreak
8 Tal'Darim Altar
9 Bel'Shir Beach
10 Echo
11 Korhal Floating Island
12 Frost
13 King's Cove
14 Iron Fortress
15 Newkirk Precinct
16 Dasan Station
17 Xel'Naga Caverns
18 Ephemeron
19 Coda
20 Steppes of War
21 Blackpink
22 Whirlwind
23 Bel'Shir Vestige
24 Neo Planet S
25 Nimbus
26 Vaani Research Station
27 Polar Night
28 Acid Plant
29 Terraform
30 Golden Wall
31 Redshift
32 Scrap Station And for the worst map bracket: + Show Spoiler +1 Howling Peak
2 Typhon Peaks
3 Fractured Glacier
4 Tristram
5 Nerazim Crypt
6 Blitzkreig
7 Icarus
8 Slag Pits
9 Ruins of Seras
10 Judgement
11 Invader
12 Secret Spring
13 Lost Temple
14 Incineration Zone
15 Sanshorn Mists
16 Daedalus Point
17 Searing Crater
18 Zerus Prime
19 Stasis
20 Atlas
21 Dash and Terminal
22 Korhal Compound
23 Arkanoid
24 Turbo Cruise '84
25 Darkness Sanctuary
26 Backwater Gulch
27 Anaconda
28 Bifrost/Neo Bifrost
29 Derelict Watcher
30 Backwater
31 Obsidian
32 Abyssal City Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?King Sejong Station (214) 77% Scrap Station (64) 23% 278 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): King Sejong Station
(Vote): Scrap Station
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/74/King_Sejong_Station_LE.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/c/c7/Scrap_Station.jpg) Best map Ro32 Match 2:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Xel'Naga Caverns (180) 78% Dasan Station (51) 22% 231 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Dasan Station
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/d/d0/Dasan_Station_LE_0.3.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/5/55/Xel%27Naga_Caverns.jpg) Best map Ro32 Match 3:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Tal'Darim Altar (156) 75% Nimbus (53) 25% 209 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Nimbus
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/1/13/Tal%27Darim_Altar.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/b/ba/Nimbus.jpg) Best map Ro32 Match 4:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Bel'Shir Beach (131) 64% Neo Planet S (74) 36% 205 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Bel'Shir Beach
(Vote): Neo Planet S
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/a/a5/Bel%27shir_Beach_1.1.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/3/3c/NeoPlanetS.jpg) Worst map Ro32 Match 1:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Howling Peak (80) 58% Abyssal City (57) 42% 137 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Howling Peak
(Vote): Abyssal City
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/9/9f/Howling_Peaks.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/6/69/AbyssalCity.jpg) Worst map Ro32 Match 2:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Searing Crater (80) 54% Daedalus Point (67) 46% 147 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Daedalus Point
(Vote): Searing Crater
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/8/85/Daedalus_Point_v2.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/3/32/Searing_Crater.jpg) Worst map Ro32 Match 3:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Slag Pits (100) 69% Darkness Sanctuary (44) 31% 144 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Darkness Sanctuary
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/5/5b/Slag_Pits.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/c/cf/GSL_Darkness_Sanctuary.jpg) Worst map Ro32 Match 4:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Ruins of Seras (74) 54% Turbo Cruise '84 (64) 46% 138 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Ruins of Seras
(Vote): Turbo Cruise '84
![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/d/df/Ruins_of_Seras.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/c/c0/NeoTokyo_Turbo_Cruise_84.jpg)
Did you consider making a bracket for the tournament on LP? Would be great to get an overview of the votes that way.
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On July 14 2020 04:03 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2020 09:49 Solar424 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Groups 29-32 results: + Show Spoiler +This concludes the group stage of the tournament. The first 4 Ro32 polls will be added to this post once I have finished building the brackets. Seeds for the best map bracket: + Show Spoiler +1 King Sejong Station
2 Metalopolis
3 Overgrowth
4 Catallena
5 Cloud Kingdom
6 Abyssal Reef
7 Daybreak
8 Tal'Darim Altar
9 Bel'Shir Beach
10 Echo
11 Korhal Floating Island
12 Frost
13 King's Cove
14 Iron Fortress
15 Newkirk Precinct
16 Dasan Station
17 Xel'Naga Caverns
18 Ephemeron
19 Coda
20 Steppes of War
21 Blackpink
22 Whirlwind
23 Bel'Shir Vestige
24 Neo Planet S
25 Nimbus
26 Vaani Research Station
27 Polar Night
28 Acid Plant
29 Terraform
30 Golden Wall
31 Redshift
32 Scrap Station And for the worst map bracket: + Show Spoiler +1 Howling Peak
2 Typhon Peaks
3 Fractured Glacier
4 Tristram
5 Nerazim Crypt
6 Blitzkreig
7 Icarus
8 Slag Pits
9 Ruins of Seras
10 Judgement
11 Invader
12 Secret Spring
13 Lost Temple
14 Incineration Zone
15 Sanshorn Mists
16 Daedalus Point
17 Searing Crater
18 Zerus Prime
19 Stasis
20 Atlas
21 Dash and Terminal
22 Korhal Compound
23 Arkanoid
24 Turbo Cruise '84
25 Darkness Sanctuary
26 Backwater Gulch
27 Anaconda
28 Bifrost/Neo Bifrost
29 Derelict Watcher
30 Backwater
31 Obsidian
32 Abyssal City Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?King Sejong Station (214) 77% Scrap Station (64) 23% 278 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): King Sejong Station
(Vote): Scrap Station
Best map Ro32 Match 2:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Xel'Naga Caverns (180) 78% Dasan Station (51) 22% 231 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Dasan Station
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
Best map Ro32 Match 3:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Tal'Darim Altar (156) 75% Nimbus (53) 25% 209 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Nimbus
Best map Ro32 Match 4:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best?Bel'Shir Beach (131) 64% Neo Planet S (74) 36% 205 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the best? (Vote): Bel'Shir Beach
(Vote): Neo Planet S
Worst map Ro32 Match 1:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Howling Peak (80) 58% Abyssal City (57) 42% 137 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Howling Peak
(Vote): Abyssal City
Worst map Ro32 Match 2:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Searing Crater (80) 54% Daedalus Point (67) 46% 147 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Daedalus Point
(Vote): Searing Crater
Worst map Ro32 Match 3:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Slag Pits (100) 69% Darkness Sanctuary (44) 31% 144 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Darkness Sanctuary
Worst map Ro32 Match 4:Poll: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST?Ruins of Seras (74) 54% Turbo Cruise '84 (64) 46% 138 total votes Your vote: Which of these maps do you consider to be the WORST? (Vote): Ruins of Seras
(Vote): Turbo Cruise '84
Did you consider making a bracket for the tournament on LP? Would be great to get an overview of the votes that way.
already suggested that, would indeed be amazing
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King Sejong > Scrap (lol)
Xel Naga Caverns > Dasan (close one, but XNC had some legendary games on it and it was pretty good at the time)
Tal Darim Altar > Nimbus (one of the first good macro maps, lots of good memories on it [TSL3], although it hads lots of issues)
NPS> Bel Shir Beach (the only thing I remember BelShir for is that it had a winter and summer version lol)
Howling Peak < Abyssal City (I kinda liked Abyssal)
Daedalus < Searing Crater (both of these are abysmal, but Deadalus takes the cake imo, the original version had an even bigger map IIRC lmao)
Slag Pits < Darkness Sanctuary (Slag Pits aka never 3rd base)
Turbo Cruise < Ruins of Seras (just for how OP SH nydus was on this map and I dont think Ruins of Seras was that bad, just a bit too big)
Dasan made it to top 32 because the other maps in the group were really weak (Para Site, Blistering Sands, Blood Boil, Korhal Compound.. I only voted Para Site because Serral won Blizzcon on it :D)
edit: feel like King Sejong will take it all the way
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What comes to mind immediately for best map is: 1) Golden Wall, 2) Bel'shir Vestige, 3) King Sejong Station.
This is definitely a good discussion and I will want to dig deeper.
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I just want Overgrowth to win it all.
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Overgrowth and Vani are the goat maps
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On July 14 2020 09:17 Paljas wrote:
I just want Overgrowth to win it all.
As long as OG CK and Daybreak dont win im happy.
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We lost some WOAT contenders to ties unfortunately.
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