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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
November 20 2019 13:20 GMT
#41
On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.

I can confirm the following

Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:

B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday

So a 1:1 swap. Thanks!


Hey,
can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy?
I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure.

I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it.

Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it.

p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 13:36:41
November 20 2019 13:33 GMT
#42
There are multiple possible reasons tbh... no need to be angry. Mostly travel costs I'd imagine. TY didn't participate so these stayed (about) the same for TakeTV I'd imagine.

As for other invites, those are no wish concert really. Check out the other thread in general forum or especially this post:

On November 16 2019 08:40 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2019 03:15 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:41 Z3nith wrote:
On November 15 2019 06:06 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:49 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:36 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 05:25 Seeker wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:28 Musicus wrote:
On November 15 2019 04:24 Seeker wrote:
Did Dark decline his invite?

Indeed he did, didn't feel like going to Germany I think. I think NarutO said he was worried about language issues at well. Probably just wants a well deserved break.

Language issues...? What about all the other Koreans going then?

Gotta ask Dark that question :D

Also, did Rogue decline his invite too?

Yes, I just asked, Rogue was invited but declined.


Out of curiosity who was invited but declined?

Don't have a full list and don't want to bother Naruto with a full list either, but the big NA players declined as well for example. Maru too.


You never bother, I just don't always see every post.

Neeb, Special, Scarlett, Rogue, sOs, Maru, Classic, Dark, Stephano

Neeb > wants to relax / avoid travel end of year
Classic > military (asked for summer, same reason winter so I didnt ask)
Special > schedule conflict
Rogue > doesnt want to travel
Dark > language barrier
Maru > doesnt want to travel
sOs > doesnt want to travel
Scarlett > doesnt want to attend
Stephano > university class he got , cant be skipped
Namshar > private reason cannot attend (cancelled)

probably forgot someone but thats it so far.

TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 13:41:27
November 20 2019 13:40 GMT
#43
On November 20 2019 22:20 JanDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.

I can confirm the following

Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:

B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday

So a 1:1 swap. Thanks!


Hey,
can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy?
I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure.

I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it.

Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it.

p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication!


Hey, so I am doing the invites mostly so this is very much directed at me. I don't take it as offence at all. SpeCial was invited beforehand as was Neeb, both declined for example. As for MaSa. I invited him in the past and he couldn't really make it ever since his team was never sending him if I remember correctly. Also he has no history with HSC so while I personally (NarutO) want to make an as good lineup as possible I can understand that others internally and audience also want a mix of personality, history etc.

So players like Taeja who isn't really insane right now gets invited due to being 3 time champion and you simply cant miss that. TLO has history all over HSC etc. There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time.

So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too.

Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined


In addition: We paid for I believe 9 Koreans + SpeCial last minute now, which is usually way over budget and is now as well but we wanted to make it special. (no pun intended)

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followZeRoX
Profile Joined March 2011
Serbia1449 Posts
November 20 2019 13:46 GMT
#44
Thank you for clarifications, that's all I needed to hear. Good luck tomorrow and continue to do great work. I love you guys <3
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 20 2019 15:32 GMT
#45
Group A huge group of death
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 20 2019 15:54 GMT
#46
Head
A: Cure, Solar, Trap, TIME
D: Innovation, Reynor, HeroMarine, Harstem

Heart
A: Too many favorite players in one group to pick
B: innovation, Parting, Harstem, Denver
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 16:51:20
November 20 2019 16:50 GMT
#47
On November 20 2019 22:46 JanDe wrote:
Thank you for clarifications, that's all I needed to hear. Good luck tomorrow and continue to do great work. I love you guys <3

Edit: list was already posted above, didn't see it
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Starcloud
Profile Joined September 2018
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 17:10:50
November 20 2019 17:10 GMT
#48
On November 20 2019 22:40 TaKeTV wrote:
There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time.

So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too.

Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined


It must be a challenging job for making up the lineup and organizing schedules etc. Thank you guys for that ! Its by far one of the greatest SC2 tournaments of the year for me. Cant wait to see stuff to get started.

What goes to the player selection, I think the heart of the HSC is the COUCH and random interviews/shenanigans all over the bar. If you would consider the level of play as an only criteria to select players, would the tournament be much duller and uninteresting for me and lot of other spectators too. Its always nice to see players more relaxed than in normal tournaments and interacting with fans and other players too. Same goes with commentating the matches (Please get MC back !!). All in all, im very happy for the lineup and wish you for a good and fun tournament once again. Hope I can participate in near future too.
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
November 20 2019 17:13 GMT
#49
On November 20 2019 22:40 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2019 22:20 JanDe wrote:
On November 20 2019 17:38 TaKeTV wrote:
Hello.

I can confirm the following

Group swap from day 1 and day 2. Both evening groups are swapped:

B (Serral, Special, Showtime, uThermal, PtitDrogo, Kelazhur, Bly, MarinelorD moved to Friday
D (Reynor, INnoVation, Parting, Heromarine, Harstem, MaNa, SortOf, Denver) moved to Thursday

So a 1:1 swap. Thanks!


Hey,
can you explain me what is logic behind invitees usualy?
I am a little angry you didn't invited Special, who is probably top1 or top3 terran in Circuit, and you invited soul, sortof, zanster and tlo who are by all criterias mediocre players at their best. If Special can come now, he would come at first for sure.

I am big fan of your work but I can't agree with invites. I think you missed to invite few more great players and kick out those who will serve to entertain audience and boost map score for good players like Medoed in NW19. I hope that likes of Neeb or Masa refused invites and mediocres was just pure replacement but Special's case make me doubt it.

Good luck with cup, I can't wait for it.

p.s.please don't understand this as negative critic, I am absolute fan of HSC and your dedication!


Hey, so I am doing the invites mostly so this is very much directed at me. I don't take it as offence at all. SpeCial was invited beforehand as was Neeb, both declined for example. As for MaSa. I invited him in the past and he couldn't really make it ever since his team was never sending him if I remember correctly. Also he has no history with HSC so while I personally (NarutO) want to make an as good lineup as possible I can understand that others internally and audience also want a mix of personality, history etc.

So players like Taeja who isn't really insane right now gets invited due to being 3 time champion and you simply cant miss that. TLO has history all over HSC etc. There are a lot of reasons and I believe we have a very good mix, a lot more leaning towards skilled than funny actually this time.

So in the end as you can see its a matter of preference. If you would add all very good players but remove every player that actually goes and sits down on the couch, you remove a lot of what is HomeStoryCup. Also I want to point out since you named him, Zanster only went ouf the groups last time by 1 map if I remember correctly and could have taken one map vs Zest (which was needed) too.

Also as I said, while I personally lean towards making a great lineup, I believe I did that and I even wrote down a list of players who declined


In addition: We paid for I believe 9 Koreans + SpeCial last minute now, which is usually way over budget and is now as well but we wanted to make it special. (no pun intended)



Thank you so much for making everything happen! HSC is a huge part of sc2 culture and this tournament is going to be epic
Year of MaxPax
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 20 2019 18:13 GMT
#50
Still massively disappointed that TY cancelled over a stupid passport. Hope I'm over it by tomorrow, this is still going to be amazing.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1196 Posts
November 20 2019 19:23 GMT
#51
Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well?
starcraft2.fi
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 19:47:46
November 20 2019 19:38 GMT
#52
On November 21 2019 04:23 Azhrak wrote:
Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well?

Makes every game matter more, since losing 1 means you automatically can't "win" the series

I don't know if that THE reason but it's a very interesting effect that I'm sure went into consideration
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
November 20 2019 19:51 GMT
#53
On November 21 2019 04:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2019 04:23 Azhrak wrote:
Naruto, is there info anywhere why the change in round robin from bo3 to bo2? Is it just to save time or something else as well?

Makes every game matter more, since losing 1 means you automatically can't "win" the series

I don't know if that THE reason but it's a very interesting effect that I'm sure went into consideration


one of the reasons. Also its a nice change of pace, as well as better or easier to plan and we are limited on time since we have to end at midnight
Commentator
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
November 20 2019 20:33 GMT
#54
It will be a great event. I'm really gonna miss iNcontroL.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 21:55:15
November 20 2019 21:45 GMT
#55
update on how the places in the groups get determined aka tie-breaker rules:
1. map difference (equivalent to map wins because maps won = 2 * diff + 7)
2. Head to Head (mini league if more than 2 players are tied)
3. Bo1 tie breaker match (round robin, if more than 2 players are tied)
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
November 20 2019 21:57 GMT
#56
Lambo already mocking Korean protoss' style of play



"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-20 22:02:15
November 20 2019 22:01 GMT
#57


Starcraft just had its own #metoo moment
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
FBTsingLoong
Profile Joined April 2018
China410 Posts
November 20 2019 23:24 GMT
#58
Well,is the Tropical Island really a tropical island,or just a hotel called Tropical Island?
TyInnoMaruByunAlive,TIMBA
pzlama333
Profile Joined April 2013
United States277 Posts
November 21 2019 00:10 GMT
#59
On November 21 2019 06:57 sneakyfox wrote:
Lambo already mocking Korean protoss' style of play

https://twitter.com/LamboSC2/status/1197227777587662849



Hey, I have one suggestion for tiebreaker when everything else are tied: one extra match after both players are drunk, or simply a match of drinking beer.
naughtDE
Profile Blog Joined May 2019
158 Posts
November 21 2019 00:24 GMT
#60
HOME STORY CUP! HOME STORY CUP!
So excited, not gonna sleep and miss the start tomorrow, yeah!
"I'll take [LET IT SNOW] for 800" - Sean Connery (Darrell Hammond)
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