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Poll: Who Advances? Maru & Solar (20) Maru & Zest (19) Patience & Maru (5) Zest & Patience (4) Solar & Patience (2) Solar & Zest (1) 51 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Zest & Patience | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
In before he proves me wrong  | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
2827 Posts
Maru and Solar for the win. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
 Maru 2-0  Patience Solar 2-1 ZestMaru 2-1 SolarPatience 2-1 ZestSolar 2-0 Patience | ||
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starkiller123
United States4029 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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YourLocalRabbi
United States11 Posts
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
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alter_egoh
Jordan4 Posts
Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 23 2018 11:22 alter_egoh wrote: First time watching GSL with a patch change mid-season, will they play with the new patch or the one they started with? Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing. They will play on the new patch, as they always do. | ||
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alter_egoh
Jordan4 Posts
On May 23 2018 11:32 pvsnp wrote: They will play on the new patch, as they always do. Does that also include the maps? I know Darkness Sanctuary was there before It was on ladder. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 23 2018 12:07 alter_egoh wrote: Does that also include the maps? I know Darkness Sanctuary was there before It was on ladder. No, GSL will play on its own map pool, as it always does. | ||
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alter_egoh
Jordan4 Posts
On May 23 2018 12:41 pvsnp wrote: No, GSL will play on its own map pool, as it always does. thanks, nice to have good news after that bad news. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
I hope he shows up today and smashes face | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Zest 2 - 1 Solar Zest 2 - 1 Maru Solar 2 - 0 Patience Maru 2- 0 Solar | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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Azhrak
Finland1194 Posts
Solar 2-0 Zest Maru 2-0 Solar Zest 2-1 Patience Solar 2-1 Zest | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:39 Lorning wrote: Maruuuuuu I approve the message! Go Maruuuuu!!!! | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:44 opisska wrote: How can more than two players be happy with their group at the same time? I don't see the contradiction? If the four weakest player in the round ended up in the same group, they'd all be happy with it. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24579 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:56 LongShot27 wrote: build a fucking cannon, Jesus Christ Forge wasn't done | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
Even though it doesn't seem very difficult to outmultitask Patience. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
There wasn't a forge done at the 4th? 5th? and 6th Banshee? | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:57 Aunvilgodess wrote: I feel like Maru just straight up outmultitasked Patience and I feel insulted that Tastosis isn't acknowledging it. Same, any other protoss in the ro16 would have rolled Maru after that botched attack | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:58 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yeah, Patience really should not be here... Maru played poorly, if he did play like this against Classic or Stats he would get destroyed. You ain't wrong | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
- build banshees against the best counter - hope opponent is bad enough to get rekt by them anyway - win | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:58 Kommander wrote: Woah, they switched to the new map pool? Only some. They switched out Blackpink and Neon Violet for Dreamcatcher and Lost and Found. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Only some. They switched out Blackpink and Neon Violet for Dreamcatcher and Lost and Found. No 16-bit? I feel like they could've replaced Backwater with it. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 18:59 sashkata wrote: The one thing I don't like about Dreamcatcher Archons can fit through the middle, but tanks can't. Tanks and thors are the fattest units, bigger even than ultras and archons. A lot of the unit sizes don't make much sense (with respect to terrain/building collisions). For example widow mines are fatter than landed vikings. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:00 Kommander wrote: No 16-bit? I feel like they could've replaced Backwater with it. What's a shittier map, in-base 3rd or in-base natural? | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: For example widow mines are fatter than landed vikings. What?!? haha That's funny. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:07 Ej_ wrote: It's missing the option: "Maru's playing like crap". And this game was a bigger upset than the entire Ro32. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's missing the option: "Maru's playing like crap". 2 awful games in a row, CAN WE HAT TRICK!? | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Edit: Mkay :D That happened | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
And just to point out, that was Patience playing... so yeah, its not good :/ | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow, PvT lategame seems super duper protoss favored now. Maru was up like 25 SCVs, 2 bases, had 4k 3k banked up, and he still almost lost the game. There is just no answer to so much splash damage without the AAM godlike ghost micro | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:33 Aunvilgodess wrote: So where exactly did Maru start losing that first maxed push? I think he overextended, he also let half his bio eating storm and disruptor shoots | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow, PvT lategame seems super duper protoss favored now. Maru was up like 25 SCVs, 2 bases, had 4k 3k banked up, and he still almost lost the game. There is just no answer to so much splash damage without the AAM It's ridiculous how you can't win the game now by making more orbitals and spell casters | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Maybe the terran buff really took the wind out of Maru's sails. is it a buff when you buffing a unit and nerfing another one ? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:34 Mun_Su wrote: I think he overextended, he also let half his bio eating storm and disruptor shoots Yeah he let his vikings/bio eat storms and disrupters in a big way twice | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:35 Mun_Su wrote: is it a buff when you buffing a unit and nerfing another one ? Games 1 and 2 didn't go long enough for the nerf to actually matter, and they still looked like trainwrecks so yeah. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:35 Zaros wrote: Yeah he let his vikings/bio eat storms and disrupters in a big way twice Screw storms, he clumped all his air units above an archon!!!!! | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:36 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Games 1 and 2 didn't go long enough for the nerf to actually matter, and they still looked like trainwrecks so yeah. So now he is savior when the game will play into late game because it was nerfed but he will be without wind in mid game because it was buffed ? | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:35 Zaros wrote: Yeah he let his vikings/bio eat storms and disrupters in a big way twice Maru is not playing well today, but its ridiculous how much splash damage protoss has in the late game. Imagine it would have been reversed. Maxed patience up 2 bases, 20 probes, with a huge bank. There is just now way in hell that any Terran would build a comp to give him even a slightest chance of winning, because Terran has no such options. Even with Godlike play, just no way... That does not seem fair to me, but lets see, it was just 1 game :/ User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:42 MarianoSC2 wrote: Maru is not playing well today, but its ridiculous how much splash damage protoss has in the late game. Imagine it would have been reversed. Maxed patience up 2 bases, 20 probes, with a huge bank. There is just now way in hell that any Terran would build a comp to give him even a slightest chance of winning, because Terran has no such options. Even with Godlike play, just no way... That does not seem fair to me, but lets see, it was just 1 game :/ Dunno, with Patience he'd probably manage to funnel his entire army into tanks and liberators. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:47 Penev wrote: zest went dt :o He's always liked the DT-based double archon opening. It took months of him losing to ling drops before he stopped using it, and now that ling drops aren't a threat, I'm not surprised to see him move back into it. | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote: He's always liked the DT-based double archon opening. It took months of him losing to ling drops before he stopped using it, and now that ling drops aren't a threat, I'm not surprised to see him move back into it. I know  | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:51 Kommander wrote: Zest's PvZ still crap he almost won after his build got absolutely stopped in its tracks? | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On May 23 2018 19:52 Ej_ wrote: he almost won after his build got absolutely stopped in its tracks? Solar still had a lot left, had reinforcements on the way, and had the economic advantage the whole game. I don't know how you call that "almost won". | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
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Carminedust
487 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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stilt
France2746 Posts
Come on dude, you have 4k-3k and you only produce a warp prism and an immortal for 25 sec? | ||
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JackONeill
861 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What an awful fight by Zest. He overextended, the phoenixes went too deep, the tempests were shooting every which way instead of focus firing, and #ZestMacro made another cameo. Zest is Zest | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:06 Nerchio wrote: is Zest losing with 4k in a bank? this is disgustingly bad He had no gateways at all pretty much :/ | ||
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EzioAs
235 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:06 Carminedust wrote: clearly our attempts to nerf maru have failed if patiance lost against him must nerf terran harder You mean buff terran. Our best chance to beat Maru is to have him lose a TvT against aLive or Ryung. On May 23 2018 20:09 EzioAs wrote: I remember criticizing Zest's bank in one of his stream clip in the past and got trashed by other people. I agree, there are times when you want to focus on your micro more but to not produce anything when you have about 6k resources? You're begging to lose, Zest. Kinda surprising. "Zest macro" has been a meme since at least 2014. | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: He had no gateways at all pretty much :/ There is no excuse to not have at least 10 gates at this point with this bank, especially since he wasn't making carriers | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:13 Nerchio wrote: There is no excuse to not have at least 10 gates at this point with this bank, especially since he wasn't making carriers Well yes obviously. This was an actual ZestMacro moment for sure, not his only mistake ofc but still a pretty big one... | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
LOL | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:43 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ghost raven had to die for this Why this was great | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
not for terrans not being Maru | ||
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Adastrom
Canada219 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I mean it wasn't bad, but less interesting honestly | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are bunker rushes as "unbeatable" as nydus worms in TL's imagination? Just dont go hatchery first | ||
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feardragon
United States970 Posts
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:47 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are bunker rushes as "unbeatable" as nydus worms in TL's imagination? Bunker build time nerf incoming | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
How were the games? Did Maru just smash? | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
best skill era confirmed | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On May 23 2018 20:56 MarianoSC2 wrote: I missed it How were the games? Did Maru just smash?Maru won comfortably, first game was lategame and the second a successful bunker rush | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On May 23 2018 21:10 The_Red_Viper wrote: Maru won comfortably, first game was lategame and the second a successful bunker rush I see you lost quite the sig bet | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Yeah i thought herO would win vs impact :/ | ||
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Penev
28453 Posts
On May 23 2018 21:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: Yeah i thought herO would win vs impact :/ Durn? | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 23 2018 21:27 Zaros wrote: Rematch curse please Is it rematch curse if Solar loses this game due to a weird build? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
edit: Breaking those rocks was kind of cool but it was too little too late. | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Adastrom
Canada219 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 23 2018 21:56 Olli wrote: That series looked more like online Zest. Nice to see him advance! Would ladder Zest have won the group? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
No, Maru is still better than him | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:04 Zaros wrote: Rogue vs Zest should be fun in the ro8 Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:23 Fango wrote: Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either. He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:24 Boggyb wrote: He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite. Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:30 Fango wrote: Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup. Recent performances including beating INnoVation in China. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:32 Boggyb wrote: Recent performances including beating INnoVation in China. I didnt watch the Hangzhou event but looking at the results it's still not great. Beating Inno in a third place match at a minor lan event doesn't carry much weight. As far as I'm concerned Rogue's looked bad (for him) at every offline event this year baring Katowice, where he was absolutely a top player. I'm not really sure what to make of that, but if there's only a 1/4 chance he shows up then I'm betting on Inno or soO to take it. Edit: ok it's worth noting that Inno been trash is literally every offline event this year as well. But he at least has a good patch going for him, which is where he usually shines | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 23 2018 22:41 Fango wrote: I didnt watch the Hangzhou event but looking at the results it's still not great. Beating Inno in a third place match at a minor lan event doesn't carry much weight. As far as I'm concerned Rogue's looked bad (for him) at every offline event this year baring Katowice, where he was absolutely a top player. I'm not really sure what to make of that, but if there's only a 1/4 chance he shows up then I'm betting on Inno or soO to take it. Edit: ok it's worth noting that Inno been trash is literally every offline event this year as well. But he at least has a good patch going for him, which is where he usually shines Was Rogue spanking Stats in his GSL ro32 group a dream of mine? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
soO > Dear Rogue > Dear Inno > Dear soO = Rogue Inno = Rogue Inno > soO While I would say that Rogue is probably the strongest overall player in Group B, the way the group is set up is such that Inno actually has the best chance of advancing. Whereas Rogue has to play ZvZ against soO and ZvT against Inno–their strongest MUs respectively–Inno gets to play his strongest MU twice and has a relatively weak Protoss (Dear) in his weakest MU. Rogue on the other hand is strongest in ZvP, but he'll need to beat at least one of soO or Inno to advance. Also, I wrote this in the group nomination thread: Call me a skeptic, but I'm really not buying all the Rogue hype. Some people (cough cough Artosis) are way overestimating the guy considering his form since Katowice, the balance changes since, and the rest of his group. His last big achievement was back in March, which, to be fair, is more recent than any of his groupmates' trophies. That being said, neither ZvP nor ZvT is the same as it was back then, nor has Rogue shown any particular superiority since. While losing to Dear is probably still off the cards, losing to either soO, or INnoVation, or both would hardly be an upset. Outside of a finals, I would never bet against soO in ZvZ, and Rogue fell 1-3 to Inno in the Super Tournament. While he did narrowly defeat Inno 3-2 at Hangzhou (after losing to Neeb) his reverse-sweep there mirrors the reverse-sweep he achieved against Maru at Katowice–that is, heavily dependent on roach-based allins. I'd hesitate to expect similar results again, especially with the recent Marauder buff. The guys on the Pylon Show might guarantee that he advances, but personally I'd question Rogue being much better than 50% against soO/Inno. Most of that might sound patently ridiculous at first glance (it did to me while I was typing it) but the thing is, while soO and Inno have both shown big weaknesses as of late, neither of them are weak against Zerg. soO has been struggling in ZvT whereas Inno has been struggling in TvP. I'd agree that Rogue is probably a stronger overall player than soO and/or Inno, but that means jack shit when they square off head-to-head. Add all that to the fact that Rogue has historically underperformed in GSL and I would not at all be surprised if he gets knocked out in the Ro16. TL;DR: Rogue hasn't been super impressive as of late and it's anyone's guess as to whether he makes it out of Group B. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On May 24 2018 09:30 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Maru Patience game 3 on Backwater is decent. | ||
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architecture
United States643 Posts
Is it possible to use Thor? Not sure if that just gets cleared out by the ground army super fast. Or maybe just make a fuckload of barely loaded bunkers on the ground to try to mess up targeting and change army EHP. It's not like bio actually does anything until the tech units are cleared out. Or maybe the answer is just to run around and try to split the army apart like in TvZ, and then hope you get a lucky jump onto either templar or tempests split. | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Yes, just for his amazing hold it was the best game | ||
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New Zealand182 Posts
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