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On October 01 2017 18:51 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:50 Vutalisk wrote:On October 01 2017 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:46 Elentos wrote:On October 01 2017 18:43 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Ej_ wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Charoisaur wrote:
pls win this tournament now Rogue.
Inno's bio play looked so much better than his mech play. Makes me really wonder why he abandoned bio play lately Bio is really not playable on Acolyte, Odyssey or Ascension Yeah. There is a reason Inno 4-0s Dark with straight up mech games while TY goes 0-3 with bio. When did Inno ever 4-0 Dark He won the four games in GSL-semis against Dark that were straight up games (playing mech). That was 4:3 for Inno, not a 4:0. Yes. Of which four were straight up games, which Innovation won.
You know Dark is like 10-0 against Inno if you look at the games that Dark won? WOAH!
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On October 01 2017 18:51 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:50 Vutalisk wrote:On October 01 2017 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:46 Elentos wrote:On October 01 2017 18:43 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Ej_ wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Charoisaur wrote:
pls win this tournament now Rogue.
Inno's bio play looked so much better than his mech play. Makes me really wonder why he abandoned bio play lately Bio is really not playable on Acolyte, Odyssey or Ascension Yeah. There is a reason Inno 4-0s Dark with straight up mech games while TY goes 0-3 with bio. When did Inno ever 4-0 Dark He won the four games in GSL-semis against Dark that were straight up games (playing mech). That was 4:3 for Inno, not a 4:0. Yes. Of which four were straight up games, which Innovation won.
If Inno 4-0'd Dark because we only count straight up games, then Dark 2-0'd TY. Make up your mind.
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I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play?
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On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play?
Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them
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Nobody is cooler than skateboarding to the studio?
Yesterday, you were saying the same about droning to the studio!
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On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them
Details please.
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On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play?
He figured out the hardcounter to mech. Mass swarmhosts get normally countered by hellbats so he adds mass banelings to his composition. then the only thing terran can do is sit there and turtle and then Vipers come into play.
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On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them
ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do?
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On October 01 2017 18:52 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:51 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:50 Vutalisk wrote:On October 01 2017 18:49 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:46 Elentos wrote:On October 01 2017 18:43 sneakyfox wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Ej_ wrote:On October 01 2017 18:40 Charoisaur wrote:
pls win this tournament now Rogue.
Inno's bio play looked so much better than his mech play. Makes me really wonder why he abandoned bio play lately Bio is really not playable on Acolyte, Odyssey or Ascension Yeah. There is a reason Inno 4-0s Dark with straight up mech games while TY goes 0-3 with bio. When did Inno ever 4-0 Dark He won the four games in GSL-semis against Dark that were straight up games (playing mech). That was 4:3 for Inno, not a 4:0. Yes. Of which four were straight up games, which Innovation won. If Inno 4-0'd Dark because we only count straight up games, then Dark 2-0'd TY. Make up your mind.
OK that's true.
The point is not to say how good innovation is compared to Dark, it is about bio vs mech. That Dark won against bio on those maps but actually lost every straight up macro game against Innovation's mech.
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On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do?
idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong.
Letting Rogue get units for free over and over with locust waves + vipers while doing nothing was just dumb
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On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong.
abduct counters BCs pretty hard
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On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard
BCs teleport and have yamato to one shot vipers.
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On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard
Nope
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On October 01 2017 18:58 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard BCs teleport and have yamato to one shot vipers.
yamato gets cancelled by abduct so they should never go off.
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On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? He figured out the hardcounter to mech. Mass swarmhosts get normally countered by hellbats so he adds mass banelings to his composition. then the only thing terran can do is sit there and turtle and then Vipers come into play.
Ok thanks. But I remember in some games terran always has a wide open timing window against SH, why did INnovation no take advantage of it? And what about wiking/banshee?
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On October 01 2017 18:58 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard BCs teleport and have yamato to one shot vipers.
And are terribly cost-uneffective.
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On October 01 2017 19:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:58 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard BCs teleport and have yamato to one shot vipers. And are terribly cost-uneffective.
You clearly haven't played with BCs then.
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On October 01 2017 19:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2017 18:58 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:58 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:57 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:56 Charoisaur wrote:On October 01 2017 18:55 Durnuu wrote:On October 01 2017 18:54 Twinkle Toes wrote:
I love watching zvt but really know next to nothing about the details and ebb and flow of the match up, could someone please elyaaphdmisc2 (Explain Like You Are A PhD Major In SC2) how Rogue totally dominated INnoVation's mech play? Rogue made Swarm Hosts and INnoVation tried nothing to counter them ehhm he tried speedbanshees which were said to stomp SH play. what else should he do? idk man, an air transition sounds good when you're on 5 bases (talking about Abyssal Reef here, Whirlwind was different). BCs are really strong. abduct counters BCs pretty hard BCs teleport and have yamato to one shot vipers. And are terribly cost-uneffective.
You know BCs were the go-to transition for mech in 2015 when they were worse than now.
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I guess oracle adept all-in is fine too.
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EPT
