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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-16 11:04:57
September 16 2017 11:04 GMT
#1041
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Check which Terrans. INnoVation won GSL, SSL, and GSL vs the World. Plus VSL. He's won twice as many tournaments this year as all the rest of the Terrans combined.

It's not a balance issue.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-16 11:06:14
September 16 2017 11:06 GMT
#1042
On September 16 2017 20:04 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Check which Terrans. INnoVation won GSL, SSL, and GSL vs the World. Plus VSL. He's won twice as many tournaments this year as all the rest of the Terrans combined.

It's not a balance issue.

Like Neeb winning 3 WCS events, not a balance issue
Faker is the GOAT!
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 16 2017 11:07 GMT
#1043
On September 16 2017 20:01 Ansibled wrote:
2-1 Scarlett, 2-0 Ryung
1-2 GuMiho, 2-1 aLive, 2-1 GuMiho
3-2 ByuN
4-3 Dark
4-3 sOs

Ryung really letting the team down.

Incredibly clutch run, wonder if a similar run happened before
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
September 16 2017 11:12 GMT
#1044
On September 16 2017 19:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
INnoVation > Mvp, Don't argue with me, anything you say is useless purely for the fact that it's inevitable. Mvp is retired, Inno isn't, end of argument

Michael Jordan will stay goat forever so I don't see your argument
WriterMaru
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 16 2017 11:17 GMT
#1045
On September 16 2017 20:12 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
INnoVation > Mvp, Don't argue with me, anything you say is useless purely for the fact that it's inevitable. Mvp is retired, Inno isn't, end of argument

Michael Jordan will stay goat forever so I don't see your argument

lol but Michael Jordan didn't have an early retire like Mvp
Faker is the GOAT!
Burnedgoat
Profile Joined January 2014
Sweden24 Posts
September 16 2017 11:21 GMT
#1046
On September 16 2017 20:12 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
INnoVation > Mvp, Don't argue with me, anything you say is useless purely for the fact that it's inevitable. Mvp is retired, Inno isn't, end of argument

Michael Jordan will stay goat forever so I don't see your argument


He also dominated for more than a year
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 16 2017 11:23 GMT
#1047
Yes but in Olli's mind INno isnt the greatest, so, he isnt
TL+ Member
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
September 16 2017 11:42 GMT
#1048
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Every year, since bw. FTFY
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
EatingBomber
Profile Joined August 2015
1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-16 11:55:27
September 16 2017 11:53 GMT
#1049
On September 16 2017 20:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:01 Ansibled wrote:
2-1 Scarlett, 2-0 Ryung
1-2 GuMiho, 2-1 aLive, 2-1 GuMiho
3-2 ByuN
4-3 Dark
4-3 sOs

Ryung really letting the team down.

Incredibly clutch run, wonder if a similar run happened before

Polt in 2015 WCS Season 1, which I think was just as great, since his opponents were all very close to his level and he was quite far behind in multiple series and games all the way to the championship.

3-2 ForGG, TvT expert;
3-2 Bunny, in a series in which Polt was 1-2 down and got quite behind in game 4;
4-3 Hydra, when he was 3-1 down, in a great TvZ series.

Admittedly he was not as close to INnoVation to elimination during the ro16 and ro32 phase, but he was certainly much closer to just getting blown out 3-1 and 4-1 in the semifinals and finals, and he did great comebacks in both series.
Frenchy91
Profile Joined August 2015
France36 Posts
September 16 2017 12:05 GMT
#1050
3 GSL Code S title like MVP and Nestea (and there was much more GSL every year at that time). Plus a Starleague. He's now the only four times Starleague champion in SC 2.

Also won IEM Korea, perhaps the most difficult IEM ever. In GSL vs the world he has beaten almost all the best players of the year.

I've always been an Inno fan but never considered him absolut GOAT before. But today you just can't argue much against the fact he's the greatest ever. I won't talk about Taeja, there is no discussion never won a single Korean or WCS America title. MVP is not too far but Inno accomplishments are now slightly better.

Only Life could match for me because he's won a lot of prestigious titles in Korea, is a world champion and has beaten Inno many times. He also won in a more difficult era than MVP and Nestea. But for me Inno surpasses life because of his incredible performances in Team League.
INnoVation SoO
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
September 16 2017 12:14 GMT
#1051
On September 16 2017 19:32 The_Red_Viper wrote:
How i feel right now:



This.


On September 16 2017 21:05 Frenchy91 wrote:
3 GSL Code S title like MVP and Nestea (and there was much more GSL every year at that time). Plus a Starleague. He's now the only four times Starleague champion in SC 2.

Also won IEM Korea, perhaps the most difficult IEM ever. In GSL vs the world he has beaten almost all the best players of the year.

I've always been an Inno fan but never considered him absolut GOAT before. But today you just can't argue much against the fact he's the greatest ever. I won't talk about Taeja, there is no discussion never won a single Korean or WCS America title. MVP is not too far but Inno accomplishments are now slightly better.

Only Life could match for me because he's won a lot of prestigious titles in Korea, is a world champion and has beaten Inno many times. He also won in a more difficult era than MVP and Nestea. But for me Inno surpasses life because of his incredible performances in Team League.


And also This.

INnoVation is so fucking damn impressive he just keeps winning and winning, the clutchest player ever in finals !
Also we forgot A LOT to mention his impressive team league achievement when talking about GOAT. I don't think Mvp and Life can compare to him in that regard.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 16 2017 12:35 GMT
#1052
On September 16 2017 20:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:01 Ansibled wrote:
2-1 Scarlett, 2-0 Ryung
1-2 GuMiho, 2-1 aLive, 2-1 GuMiho
3-2 ByuN
4-3 Dark
4-3 sOs

Ryung really letting the team down.

Incredibly clutch run, wonder if a similar run happened before

Yeah he was one game loss away from winning every series by just 1 game.
kiss kiss fall in love
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
September 16 2017 12:46 GMT
#1053
On September 16 2017 20:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:01 Ansibled wrote:
2-1 Scarlett, 2-0 Ryung
1-2 GuMiho, 2-1 aLive, 2-1 GuMiho
3-2 ByuN
4-3 Dark
4-3 sOs

Ryung really letting the team down.

Incredibly clutch run, wonder if a similar run happened before

This is incredibly clutch but when TY won IEM Katowice with 1 game from elimination every round in the playoffs it 'wasn't the most impressive run'
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
September 16 2017 13:03 GMT
#1054
On September 16 2017 21:46 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:07 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 16 2017 20:01 Ansibled wrote:
2-1 Scarlett, 2-0 Ryung
1-2 GuMiho, 2-1 aLive, 2-1 GuMiho
3-2 ByuN
4-3 Dark
4-3 sOs

Ryung really letting the team down.

Incredibly clutch run, wonder if a similar run happened before

This is incredibly clutch but when TY won IEM Katowice with 1 game from elimination every round in the playoffs it 'wasn't the most impressive run'

I really don't think it gets any more clutch than this though.
kiss kiss fall in love
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36960 Posts
September 16 2017 13:28 GMT
#1055
On September 16 2017 19:09 The_Templar wrote:
Seeker looks very nervous for sOs.

When the fuck did I become sOs' mom?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16643 Posts
September 16 2017 13:35 GMT
#1056
On September 16 2017 20:06 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:04 pvsnp wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Check which Terrans. INnoVation won GSL, SSL, and GSL vs the World. Plus VSL. He's won twice as many tournaments this year as all the rest of the Terrans combined.
It's not a balance issue.

Like Neeb winning 3 WCS events, not a balance issue

anything below top level is imbalanced. a game can only be meticulously balanced at 1 level of play. its been like that in the entire history of racially diverse RTS games. learn to love it.

the game is "balanced enough" below top level.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
September 16 2017 13:39 GMT
#1057
On September 16 2017 22:28 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 19:09 The_Templar wrote:
Seeker looks very nervous for sOs.

When the fuck did I become sOs' mom?

Wow you don't remember your son's birthday?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 16 2017 14:42 GMT
#1058
On September 16 2017 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 20:06 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 16 2017 20:04 pvsnp wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Check which Terrans. INnoVation won GSL, SSL, and GSL vs the World. Plus VSL. He's won twice as many tournaments this year as all the rest of the Terrans combined.
It's not a balance issue.

Like Neeb winning 3 WCS events, not a balance issue

anything below top level is imbalanced. a game can only be meticulously balanced at 1 level of play. its been like that in the entire history of racially diverse RTS games. learn to love it.

the game is "balanced enough" below top level.

Multiplayer (RTS) games can not and will never be balanced, and that's what makes games unique, fun and attractive. Tis the beauty of such games
even in low levels the game is not balanced because people are always learning from each other and from pros and adapting.
Faker is the GOAT!
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
September 16 2017 17:24 GMT
#1059
On September 16 2017 23:42 AzAlexZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2017 22:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 16 2017 20:06 AzAlexZ wrote:
On September 16 2017 20:04 pvsnp wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:58 seemsgood wrote:
On September 16 2017 19:57 Fango wrote:
Only thing left to happen is for Inno to choke at blizzcon and sOs won it

Sc2 is a game of history repeating itself

Way too much terran winning champion in this year tbh.

Check which Terrans. INnoVation won GSL, SSL, and GSL vs the World. Plus VSL. He's won twice as many tournaments this year as all the rest of the Terrans combined.
It's not a balance issue.

Like Neeb winning 3 WCS events, not a balance issue

anything below top level is imbalanced. a game can only be meticulously balanced at 1 level of play. its been like that in the entire history of racially diverse RTS games. learn to love it.

the game is "balanced enough" below top level.

Multiplayer (RTS) games can not and will never be balanced, and that's what makes games unique, fun and attractive. Tis the beauty of such games
even in low levels the game is not balanced because people are always learning from each other and from pros and adapting.




I find Supreme Commander ( with Forger Alliance) quite well balanced.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
September 16 2017 17:44 GMT
#1060
In case anyone wants the VOD with the Korean casters, this one doesn't lag: http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/25967034
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