EPT[GSL Code S] Season 3 2017 Ro16 - Group B - Page 19
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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c0sm0naut
United States1229 Posts
On August 19 2017 16:17 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I wonder how Protosses can defend against adepts without photon overcharge... patience | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16099 Posts
Are there other significant "rivalries" where one player is just unable to beat another player despite being otherwise much more succesful. Bisu vs Shine ofc but except that? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 19 2017 19:06 Poopi wrote: Oh fuck, is ByuN back as the best? Winning the easiest GSL group doesn't put you anywhere near the best | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 19 2017 22:00 Fango wrote: Winning the easiest GSL group doesn't put you anywhere near the best Hey, sOs is still in the Blizzcon running, isn't he? | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On August 19 2017 23:40 lolfail9001 wrote: Hey, sOs is still in the Blizzcon running, isn't he? i mean anyone who is in gsl is in the running since winning gets you in | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On August 19 2017 22:00 Fango wrote: Winning the easiest GSL group doesn't put you anywhere near the best he followed it up with a 2-0 victory against the best P in the world | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Poopi
France13021 Posts
On August 19 2017 22:00 Fango wrote: Winning the easiest GSL group doesn't put you anywhere near the best Since terrans get trashed on, beating a very good protoss and a wild one like sOs when you were a GSL+Blizzcon back to back champion, gives some hope that he is back at being the best in the world. He was last year; why not this year? :o Quite a lot of people on TL seem to be mad at ByuN because he is liked by the community haha. (edit: and successful, people don't hate just because you are liked) | ||
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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Poopi
France13021 Posts
On August 20 2017 01:28 Shellshock wrote: I just like to be mad at everyone No you just want 100k posts :D What a madman are you | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 20 2017 01:21 Poopi wrote: Since terrans get trashed on, beating a very good protoss and a wild one like sOs when you were a GSL+Blizzcon back to back champion, gives some hope that he is back at being the best in the world. He was last year; why not this year? :o Quite a lot of people on TL seem to be mad at ByuN because he is liked by the community haha. (edit: and successful, people don't hate just because you are liked) I like ByuN and all, but he is nowhere near the best in the world, nor even the best Terran. INnoVation holds both of those titles by a clear margin and defeating herO and sOs in the Ro16 (while impressive) barely moves ByuN closer. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On August 19 2017 20:13 Poopi wrote: Terrans are trashed left and right recently One day I will figure out in what bizarre parallel dimension you live and how you managed to connect to our world. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 20 2017 02:42 Elentos wrote: One day I will figure out in what bizarre parallel dimension you live and how you managed to connect to our world. "Terrans are trashed left and right recently" *Looks at Inno's near-flawless 14-1 run through GSL vs the World, ending with a TvT finals* ........... ........... ........... No comment. | ||
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Poopi
France13021 Posts
On August 20 2017 02:46 pvsnp wrote: "Terrans are trashed left and right recently" *Looks at Inno's near-flawless 14-1 run through GSL vs the World, ending with a TvT finals* ........... ........... ........... No comment. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_XII_-_Shanghai Every foreign tournament Shoutcraft Kings SSL Premier And they are successful in SSL Challenge and in GSL ro16 GSL vs The World wasn't KR only, KR T still dominates foreign players (except in Shoutcraft?) and INno is a bit of an anomaly right now, yet he fails like other terrans in some of the tournaments I listed. Basically, it's a matter of half empty glass vs half full I guess? Like, it's not absurd to say terrans aren't really left behind, but it isn't absurd either to say they are getting trashed, when you see KR terrans lose to foreign players that much... (Shoutcraft Kings) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On August 20 2017 06:11 Poopi wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_XII_-_Shanghai Every foreign tournament Shoutcraft Kings SSL Premier And they are successful in SSL Challenge and in GSL ro16 GSL vs The World wasn't KR only, KR T still dominates foreign players (except in Shoutcraft?) and INno is a bit of an anomaly right now, yet he fails like other terrans in some of the tournaments I listed. Basically, it's a matter of half empty glass vs half full I guess? Like, it's not absurd to say terrans aren't really left behind, but it isn't absurd either to say they are getting trashed, when you see KR terrans lose to foreign players that much... (Shoutcraft Kings) INnoVation has been wrecking shit the whole year. He has been consistently referred to as the best player in the world ever since IEM Gyeonggi, even after getting knocked out of GSL/IEM. He's won three big WCS tournaments plus VSL, and is a legitimate contender for both GOAT and Bonjwa status at his current pace. About the only "bad" thing you could say about him is that he hasn't won every single tournament he's played in, because he was the favorite for just about every single one. Of course there are more Terrans than Inno out there, but TY/Gumiho/aLive/Maru/ByuN have put on some very strong showings throughout the year as well (just look at the WCS standings which have 4 Terrans in the Top 8). Compare that number of Terrans with correspondingly strong P/Z players and at best there are 3-4 of each compared to 6 Terrans. Foreign Terrans are a whole different animal, but MajOr and Kelazhur have been doing surprisingly well this year (relatively speaking). I don't think anyone really expects much from foreign Terrans so seeing those two break out was a pleasant surprise. I imagine training in Korea had something to do with it, though. I wouldn't say Terran is OP or imbalanced (just look at the ~50% winrates), though INnoVation does have a habit of making it look that way. Conversely, the only time this year that Terran was getting trashed was during the Adept/Phoenix era, but since the Adept nerf things have been pretty good balance-wise. TL:DR: Saying Terran is still getting trashed right now is pretty absurd. Also, please don't use Shoutcraft Kings as a measurement of balance. That even is literally marketed by TB as "the most unfair SC2 tournament" and the Bo1 online format is just begging for crazy upsets. | ||
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Poopi
France13021 Posts
I'm just saying KR terrans are losing to foreign P/Z (and KR ones as well but that is more acceptable), I'm not seeking reasons to explain why it is like that. I don't give a crap about balance. About INno being a contender for the GOAT and bonjwa status, lol seriously? I saw people discuss that but I thought they were trolling. He won 80k $ this year. How much did TY won again? Like, it's still the same "promising but disappointing in the end" INno. Glimpses of dominance, but disappoints in one way or another. The cycle keeps repeating with this player, so I'm not gonna buy into that GOAT / bonjwa crap (edit: not yet, I realize he might approach it but that's gotta take more than sheer potential and form), there is no need to find another GOAT than mvp since only Life came close, but the health issues of mvp and "nice" image put him even more ahead of Life for this status after the matchfixing scandal. INno is a terran able to consistently remain scary, but he is overrated the same way Bomber is imho. We will start talking about GOAT and stuff if he wins GSL and Blizzcon in a row like ByuN did (but since INno has been better this year than ByuN in early 2016, and the fact that he did well in HotS, INno winning GSL and Blizzcon in a row would make him closer to mvp than ByuN was after that double win) | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On August 20 2017 08:48 Seeker wrote: I was watching these matches last night and then I stopped. After ByuN ezpz'ed his way into the Ro8 I just lost all interest... Group B was definitely the most boring group of them all. it was just really sloppy play. like herO was just attacking into the most fortified positions possible and surprise surprise it doesnt work. | ||
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