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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: Who Advances to SSL Premier Season 2Maru & Classic (11) 38% Byun & Maru (10) 34% Classic & Byun (5) 17% Maru & Patience (2) 7% Patience & Classic (1) 3% Byun & Patience (0) 0% 29 total votes Your vote: Who Advances to SSL Premier Season 2 (Vote): Maru & Classic
(Vote): Byun & Patience
(Vote): Patience & Classic
(Vote): Byun & Maru
(Vote): Classic & Byun
(Vote): Maru & Patience
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You have to change the timer
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As long as Byun loses, I am happy.
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Maru and ByuN somehow someway
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On June 21 2017 04:06 usopsama wrote:
As long as Byun loses, I am happy.
You monster...
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Cmon Maru don't disappoint me again
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United States97277 Posts
OP has day 1's date still
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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On June 21 2017 16:30 Pandemona wrote:
Date isn't wrong! xD
^This guy took editing lessons from Orwell.
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Feel bad for whoever loses. SSL challenge is a waste of time for players that are potential champion tier (all of these guys except maybe patience have been)
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On June 21 2017 20:23 Fango wrote:
Feel bad for whoever loses. SSL challenge is a waste of time for players that are potential champion tier (all of these guys except maybe patience have been)
Is it though? Maybe for players who live far away from the studio. But if you live reasonably close by, you go there and pretty much get paid for showing up and playing practice games. Not to mention the spots in Premier (should Premier continue) which are worth a significant amount of money.
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On June 21 2017 20:39 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:23 Fango wrote:
Feel bad for whoever loses. SSL challenge is a waste of time for players that are potential champion tier (all of these guys except maybe patience have been) Is it though? Maybe for players who live far away from the studio. But if you live reasonably close by, you go there and pretty much get paid for showing up and playing practice games. Not to mention the spots in Premier (should Premier continue) which are worth a significant amount of money.
I only say its a waste of time for champion caliber players. For them primary focus is getting Blizzcon seed and a GSL win (plus big money cups like IEMs). They shouldn't waste time going to the studio and practicing for a tournament that gives no wcs points and little money (in comparison). That time is better spent hiding builds for GSL. The only exception is if SSL S3 gets announced and Challenge gives the benefit of maybe qualifying for it.
For 2nd tier players (patience, zest, jjakji etc), Challenge is great. Allows them to earn something and play live without losing in ro32s and being out for a season. And by 2nd tier I mean probably not going blizzcon
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I'm curious how classic will perform.
But my liquibets are on maru and byun.
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Classic is good against terran but he has horrendous records against both Maru and ByuN. Patience, on the other hand, can beat both and usually has the upper hand against Classic.
Maru > BuyN
Classic < Patience
Maru < Patience
BuyN > Classic
Maru < BuyN
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Patience is in bad shape, he cant beat Maru.
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On June 22 2017 18:47 sneakyfox wrote:
Classic is good against terran but he has horrendous records against both Maru and ByuN. Patience, on the other hand, can beat both and usually has the upper hand against Classic.
Maru > BuyN
Classic < Patience
Maru < Patience
BuyN > Classic
Maru < BuyN
Patience's record against the Terrans is absolutely horrendous as well. Arguably worse if we only count offline encounters. Even if we don't, Patience's record against Maru is much worse and his record against ByuN hardly better than Classic's.
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On June 22 2017 18:51 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 18:47 sneakyfox wrote:
Classic is good against terran but he has horrendous records against both Maru and ByuN. Patience, on the other hand, can beat both and usually has the upper hand against Classic.
Maru > BuyN
Classic < Patience
Maru < Patience
BuyN > Classic
Maru < BuyN Patience's record against the Terrans is absolutely horrendous as well.
You're right, I did not check that. I'm surprised it is that bad.
But Patience is much better strategically than they are so he could do it if he executes well (which he often fails to do though).
Either way, hoping for some good games.
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I'm a little afraid because Byun can swindle Maru on a bo3
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On June 22 2017 18:57 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 18:51 Elentos wrote:On June 22 2017 18:47 sneakyfox wrote:
Classic is good against terran but he has horrendous records against both Maru and ByuN. Patience, on the other hand, can beat both and usually has the upper hand against Classic.
Maru > BuyN
Classic < Patience
Maru < Patience
BuyN > Classic
Maru < BuyN Patience's record against the Terrans is absolutely horrendous as well. You're right, I did not check that. I'm surprised it is that bad.
Out of the top Terrans he only has good records against Inno and aLive. Not great vs TY and horrendous against Gumi, Maru & ByuN.
Seems like a stylistic problem.
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it's been like 5 minutes and Valdez already talked about how Maru struggled in the end of challenger losing to Dear (that was Byun) and about how Classic lost to Dark (he lost to Maru)...
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On June 22 2017 19:07 Nebuchad wrote:
it's been like 5 minutes and Valdez already talked about how Maru struggled in the end of challenger losing to Dear (that was Byun) and about how Classic lost to Dark (he lost to Maru)...
Named Team Salmon after their memory capacity, which is equivalent to that of a salmon, perhaps?
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On June 22 2017 19:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 18:57 sneakyfox wrote:On June 22 2017 18:51 Elentos wrote:On June 22 2017 18:47 sneakyfox wrote:
Classic is good against terran but he has horrendous records against both Maru and ByuN. Patience, on the other hand, can beat both and usually has the upper hand against Classic.
Maru > BuyN
Classic < Patience
Maru < Patience
BuyN > Classic
Maru < BuyN Patience's record against the Terrans is absolutely horrendous as well. You're right, I did not check that. I'm surprised it is that bad. Out of the top Terrans he only has good records against Inno and aLive. Not great vs TY and horrendous against Gumi, Maru & ByuN. Seems like a stylistic problem.
I guess that is in fact what the numbers suggest. It is interesting because I always had the impression that Patience tends to shoot himself in the foot too often but can actually outplay the likes of Maru and ByuN quite handedly when he executes well enough.
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Both of these guys wanna play defensive? Given who's sitting in the booth I have the hardest time believing that.
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Well,enough of that. Now it's time to start counting proxies and reapers.
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I hope the reason ByuN was smiling is that Maru told him he was gonna proxy and he didn't believe him.
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Wow, those reapers are more greased than Groundskeeper Willy in the episode where he's the greased scotsman
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Maru's reaper micro is not great
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Can you imagine, for some people this is the greatest starcraft has to offer.
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On June 22 2017 19:13 Elentos wrote:
Maru's reaper micro is not great
still enough
hmm..
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Good start to the day Maru! Keep it up sir
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I dont know why Byun was so greedy, it was a little bit obvious on this map
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On June 22 2017 19:10 Elentos wrote:
I hope the reason ByuN was smiling is that Maru told him he was gonna proxy and he didn't believe him.
This is my headcanon now
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Interesting build from Byun here, very passive with that early reaper and no scout at all. Maru 15CCs and is still fine thanks to his passive opening.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Maru having a poor time with his macro this game, he must be flustered . Guess didn't matter to much when your 6 > 2 in tank count running at your opponents natural xD
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Hopefully this PvP is gonna be short and sweet too.
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On June 22 2017 19:31 Elentos wrote:
Hopefully this PvP is gonna be short and sweet too.
Look forward to three 30 minute games with mass carrier vs mass carrier
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Good lord Classic what are you doing?
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"If you tickle hard enough you can get some kills"
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Why the hell did he fly that way?
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Both protosses looking sharp and ready to beat the terrans...
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Almost getting to the point where we can measure dead mama cores per minute.
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Patience has his very own "rust belt" of Stargates. How cool!
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On June 22 2017 19:38 Elentos wrote:
Almost getting to the point where we can measure dead mama cores per minute.
yep...
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On June 22 2017 19:41 sneakyfox wrote:
Patience has his very own "rust belt" of Stargates. How cool!
we need a Springsteen song about it
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I feel like Classic should have committed to killing the sentries with his phoenicians.
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no ping pong, no carriers (yet)
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Was Maru vs ByuN good or was it classic TvT ?
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On June 22 2017 19:45 Durnuu wrote:
Was Maru vs ByuN good or was it classic TvT ?
50% of the games that were played involved proxy reapers
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On June 22 2017 19:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:45 Durnuu wrote:
Was Maru vs ByuN good or was it classic TvT ? 50% of the games that were played involved proxy reapers
Nice 
Patience fighting despite not having detection, literal god Tasteless
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Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection?
I mean I guess his economy wasn't very good but still...
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never engage a cloaked army without detection
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On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection?
because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win
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Wow Patience is playing so bad. Unused buildings, having a big army and upgrade advantage without using it. He must love SSL challenge.
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On June 22 2017 19:48 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection? because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win
Ah of course. Logic without fail.
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On June 22 2017 19:48 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection? because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win
"If I can't see you, you can't see me!"
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On June 22 2017 19:52 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:48 Heartland wrote:On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection? because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win "If I can't see you, you can't see me!"
That would be a cool spell
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On June 22 2017 19:54 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:52 Charoisaur wrote:On June 22 2017 19:48 Heartland wrote:On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection? because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win "If I can't see you, you can't see me!" That would be a cool spell
Pretty sure my mom knew that spell. Was called 'peekaboo' or something.
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On June 22 2017 19:54 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 19:52 Charoisaur wrote:On June 22 2017 19:48 Heartland wrote:On June 22 2017 19:48 Elentos wrote:
Why would you ever commit to a fight without detection? because if you don't see their army it might not be so big so you could win "If I can't see you, you can't see me!" That would be a cool spell
Only the very best know how to use it
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Please Classic do it, not another PvP
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those zealots.... patience pls
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Why is this tournament called "fast lane"? I never got it.
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On June 22 2017 20:00 Weavel wrote:
Why is this tournament called "fast lane"? I never got it.
You go directly into Premier if you win
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what happened to disruptors?
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On June 22 2017 20:01 Heartland wrote:
what happened to disruptors?
They go in and out of the meta when people remember phoenixes exist.
Also, charge cost reduced
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somehow pvp is more entertaining without dodgeball
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the play is hoping patience attacks without detection again
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Classic in trouble? Patience 14 Immortals vs Classic 4 as he is over stocked on Zealots? Or are Zealots better in this scenario?
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On June 22 2017 20:05 Pandemona wrote:
Classic in trouble? Patience 14 Immortals vs Classic 4 as he is over stocked on Zealots? Or are Zealots better in this scenario?
If the zealots can get on top of the immortals, they're better, but you have to take the archons into account as well. So it depends on the engagement, really
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Remember when everyone wanted Carriers to return because they are so iconic?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 22 2017 20:05 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:05 Pandemona wrote:
Classic in trouble? Patience 14 Immortals vs Classic 4 as he is over stocked on Zealots? Or are Zealots better in this scenario? If the zealots can get on top of the immortals, they're better, but you have to take the archons into account as well. So it depends on the engagement, really
Ah right, so it depends on control and engagement i see.
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Classic doing immortals meanwhile Patience is massing carriers. This can't end well.
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On June 22 2017 20:05 Pandemona wrote:
Classic in trouble? Patience 14 Immortals vs Classic 4 as he is over stocked on Zealots? Or are Zealots better in this scenario?
Classic got the best engagement possible and still lost so I guess Immortal>Zealots. At least when the archon count is high
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Mothership is stupid and should be removed
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Wow Patience is very dry mineral wise.
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On June 22 2017 20:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Mothership is stupid and should be removed
No, bring back vortex though
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 22 2017 20:09 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:08 Charoisaur wrote:
Mothership is stupid and should be removed No, bring back vortex though
Might be because im weird, but oh i did love an Archon Toilet, was amazing to watch xD
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He can just divert a few zealots and maybe an archon and take it out?
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Lol that recall almost lost him those archons
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more army supply > more probes
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Nice game. No carriers (well, two, but no mass carrier), no disruptors :D
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what a game ! Classic played so well to come back.
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So Classic lost because he didn't realize how strange Patience was playing, right?
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As messy as always with Patience
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The mothership almost saved Classic again.
Maybe he should rush one on 1 base
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typical patience game
end it quick pls Classic
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On June 22 2017 20:12 Durnuu wrote:
Nice game. No carriers (well, two, but no mass carrier), no disruptors :D
AIZ is a pretty boring comp in the long run though. It's powerful and robust but it doesn't make a lot of very fun watching.
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On June 22 2017 20:14 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:12 Durnuu wrote:
Nice game. No carriers (well, two, but no mass carrier), no disruptors :D AIZ is a pretty boring comp in the long run though. It's powerful and robust but it doesn't make a lot of very fun watching.
True, true. Ideally, we would have varied comps. That was one thing I liked about Classic's style recently, he transitioned from disruptors to carriers. At least we had some variety (though mass carriers is pretty damn boring)
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On June 22 2017 20:16 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:14 Heartland wrote:On June 22 2017 20:12 Durnuu wrote:
Nice game. No carriers (well, two, but no mass carrier), no disruptors :D AIZ is a pretty boring comp in the long run though. It's powerful and robust but it doesn't make a lot of very fun watching. True, true. Ideally, we would have varied comps. That was one thing I liked about Classic's style recently, he transitioned from disruptors to carriers. At least we had some variety (though mass carriers is pretty damn boring)
what I like about pingpong wars is that it sort of changes the entire game, it's almost all about army movement, positioning, flanking, etc and there is a great potential for comeback.
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On June 22 2017 20:14 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:12 Durnuu wrote:
Nice game. No carriers (well, two, but no mass carrier), no disruptors :D AIZ is a pretty boring comp in the long run though. It's powerful and robust but it doesn't make a lot of very fun watching.
I don't think it's really boring. There goes a LOT of positioning into those fights.
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more stargates
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On June 22 2017 20:24 Ej_ wrote:more stargates
It's a bit like WoL/HotS roach wars, it had it's moments at certain stages of the game but overall it was pretty trite.
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Patience looks out of practice
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Where is George Bush to deal with Protoss weapons of mass destruction?
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Pande,
are you responsible for all those tires on abyssal?
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those disruptors were worth it
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Finally, two boring sets, maybe now we'll get something fun.
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Patience knows how to move command disruptors to useless death
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On June 22 2017 20:29 Charoisaur wrote:
those disruptors were worth it
So much value idd
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Maru and classic are clear winners here. Unless byun or patience have a relapse in form between matches
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Maru vs Classic again, hopefully the games will be as good as last time
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On June 22 2017 20:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Maru vs Classic again, hopefully the games will be as good as last time
We're gonna get Maru vs Dear 2.0
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On June 22 2017 20:33 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Maru vs Classic again, hopefully the games will be as good as last time We're gonna get Maru vs Dear 2.0
I take it, if we see a similar disruptor hit 
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On June 22 2017 20:30 Fango wrote:
Maru and classic are clear winners here. Unless byun or patience have a relapse in form between matches
Surely Maru beats Classic now. But BuyN may very well take out Classic in the final match.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Come on maru!!!! 1 more and you're back in the Premier Division :D
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Can't believe Classic beat TY and aLive in GSL
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So basically premier is the same as last season. Like 3 player difference
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On June 22 2017 20:52 Fango wrote:
So basically premier is the same as last season. Like 3 player difference
3/8 is a lot
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On June 22 2017 20:51 Charoisaur wrote:
Can't believe Classic beat TY and aLive in GSL
He's on massive tilt
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On June 22 2017 20:56 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:52 Fango wrote:
So basically premier is the same as last season. Like 3 player difference 3/8 is a lot
There are 10 players in Premier though.
But honestly, considering only 2 players got eliminated from premier straight up, it's not surprising to see so little change.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Carbon copy of game 1? Classic can't make an army, Maru 2 base hits him with stim and he dies?
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On June 22 2017 20:58 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 20:56 DieuCure wrote:On June 22 2017 20:52 Fango wrote:
So basically premier is the same as last season. Like 3 player difference 3/8 is a lot There are 10 players in Premier though.
Ah ye sorry
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send like five zealots forward
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Time for Classic to get a fourth.
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haha, he stormed his own phoenixes to death
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So, TY, aLive and Maru are in trouble against mass storm
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Maru is one of the horsemen? Is this a new wolfism?
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Yeah... never ever fight underneath liberators.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Who goes colosus vs maru?
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Looked like such an ez 4-0 for Maru. That last map was the closest and even that was one sided
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On June 22 2017 21:00 Heartland wrote:
send like five zealots forward
Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him.
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Actually there is 3 zergs 3 terrans 3 protoss in ssl premier s2
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On June 22 2017 21:06 sneakyfox wrote:Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him.
Dear had the reliable disruptors as well
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On June 22 2017 21:08 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 21:06 sneakyfox wrote:On June 22 2017 21:00 Heartland wrote:
send like five zealots forward Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him. Dear had the reliable disruptors as well
Ha ha yeah 
But Dear indeed prepared much much better for Maru's style. Classic looked clueless.
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On June 22 2017 21:06 sneakyfox wrote:Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him.
It is also simple to unburrow the mines when Classic sends 5 zealots forward.
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Honestly Dear didnt look impressive vs Maru, 2 disruptors hits won him game 1 and an oracel killed ton of workers in game 2
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On June 22 2017 21:10 Argonauta wrote:
Honestly Dear didnt look impressive vs Maru, 2 disruptors hits won him game 1 and an oracel killed ton of workers in game 2
On the top korean level hitting disruptor shots is considered purely your opponent's mistake right?
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On June 22 2017 21:10 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 21:06 sneakyfox wrote:On June 22 2017 21:00 Heartland wrote:
send like five zealots forward Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him. It is also simple to unburrow the mines when Classic sends 5 zealots forward.
I was thinking of sending units foward to intercept reinforcement and do harassment.
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Ah, yes, people going abroad and while there only eats their own food.
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On June 22 2017 21:16 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 21:10 Durnuu wrote:On June 22 2017 21:06 sneakyfox wrote:On June 22 2017 21:00 Heartland wrote:
send like five zealots forward Precisely. It is so simple, Maru always tries to settle in to that parade push. Dear knew it and beat him. It is also simple to unburrow the mines when Classic sends 5 zealots forward. I was thinking of sending units foward to intercept reinforcement and do harassment.
I actually meant to draw the WM fire, but them unborrowing is a good point.
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Patience defense was awful against Classic and she is even worse here
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See, disruptors are reliable. You can rely on them to get 0 kills
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Send in the Simpsons Kid. Patience is already dead
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Yeah blink and +1 attack are out of desperation, not because you need those
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Another new guy to Premiere! :O
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When I see those poor zealots getting kited, I seriously wonder why you don't just go adepts instead.
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On June 22 2017 21:55 Durnuu wrote:
When I see those poor zealots getting kited, I seriously wonder why you don't just go adepts instead.
1 adept would have never denied +2 armor though!
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I know ByuN needs medivacs like crazy, but he can't squeak out a viking to help deal with the warp prisms?
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Is there any greater happiness than to watch Byun get destroyed?
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Chargelot templar strong again. game is saved
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On June 22 2017 22:04 usopsama wrote:
Is there any greater happiness than to watch Byun get destroyed?
Yes. When it is at the hands of a player I like.
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Quick ghosts, I always wondered if it was a good counter to phoenix/adept
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ByuN, I'll root for you this game if you make a nuke.
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On June 22 2017 22:11 Durnuu wrote:
Quick ghosts, I always wondered if it was a good counter to phoenix/adept
Nope.
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On June 22 2017 22:11 Durnuu wrote:
Quick ghosts, I always wondered if it was a good counter to phoenix/adept
nope.
E : damn you Ej_
Yeah, better not push while under 130 supply or something vs phoenix/adept
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Artosis screeches somewhere autistically about moving out vs phoenix/adept
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On June 22 2017 22:11 Durnuu wrote:
Quick ghosts, I always wondered if it was a good counter to phoenix/adept
Nope
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That was cool but futile.
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On June 22 2017 22:12 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 22:11 Durnuu wrote:
Quick ghosts, I always wondered if it was a good counter to phoenix/adept nope
Maybe if you don't do it like this though
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On June 22 2017 22:12 Ej_ wrote:
Artosis screeches somewhere autistically about moving out vs phoenix/adept
Kinda like how ByuN autistically refuses to sit back and defend
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That widow mine friendly fire on the SCVs...
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The only way that could have been better is if Classic had danced his units.
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Good on Classic to finally have some success after a really shitty week. He belongs in Premier too.
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why is byun getting hated on so hard now?
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Canada8991 Posts
Ah! No more reaper bullshit!
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On June 22 2017 22:12 Penev wrote:
2/2 bets
amazing
Miracles exist after all
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On June 22 2017 22:16 Nakajin wrote:
Ah! No more reaper bullshit!
Apparently you missed that Maru qualified earlier...
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Canada8991 Posts
On June 22 2017 22:17 sneakyfox wrote:Apparently you missed that Maru qualified earlier...
Yes but the difference is that he is not that good with it
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On June 22 2017 22:16 Blackfish1 wrote:
why is byun getting hated on so hard now?
Cheesers have always been hated by large swaths of the community.
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Byun  ((((( So sad way to lose.
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Australia18228 Posts
When I finally stop liquibetting Classic, he wins of course
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Oh wow season 2 starts soon
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Gg Classic Maru, well deserved tonight
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On June 22 2017 22:21 Inflicted wrote:
When I finally stop liquibetting Classic, he wins of course
HAHA same here
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Are there vods anywhere? Cant find them on the esportstv global channel.
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On June 23 2017 07:42 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
Maru vs ByuN Game 1-2
Classic vs ByuN Game 1-2
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Just noticed that SSL Premier and Challenge both have perfect 4/3/3 balance. Literal god David Kim.
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On June 23 2017 07:42 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?
 Classic vs. Patience Game 2 for sure.
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Best possible result, really.
SSL Premier is finally rid of Patience, Byun 2016 hype train derailed.
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EPT
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