EPT[GSL Code S] Season 2 2017 Semi Finals - Day 1 - Page 18
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TerranOwnsAll
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:00 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Do you guys think Gumiho has a better chance against SoO or Classic? I'd say Classic, because his bio TvZ is not great and I doubt soO will get surprised more than once by mech. On the other hand, Classic beat TY in GSL + SSL and TY has the best TvP around. Personally, I think Gumiho is basically just screwed. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:00 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Do you guys think Gumiho has a better chance against SoO or Classic? I feel like Classic would be easier, but I don't know if the stats back me up on that. soO just can't lose 6 in a row. It just can't happen | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I feel like Classic would be easier, but I don't know if the stats back me up on that. soO just can't lose 6 in a row. It just can't happen Yeah, while it would be cool to see Classic pick up his second GSL, I can't not cheer for soO. And Gumiho is the perfect opponent for soO too, since he is nowhere near the TvZ level of ByuN/Maru/Inno. | ||
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:08 pvsnp wrote: TY has the best TvP around. GuMiho can actually take games/matches against herO and every other top Protoss for that matter, I think the jury is still out on that. His style might not be as pretty and refined as some of the others but it's really strong. It's actually his best match-up. And soO just kinda struggles against GuMiho in general usually, even though his bio TvZ is weak-ish. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:16 Elentos wrote: GuMiho can actually take games/matches against herO and every other top Protoss for that matter, I think the jury is still out on that. His style might not be as pretty and refined as some of the others but it's really strong. It's actually his best match-up. And soO just kinda struggles against GuMiho in general usually, even though his bio TvZ is weak-ish. Gumiho can take games, yes, but not matches. In 2017 offline matches, the only series he's won against a top Protoss was Stats in the Super Tournament. And that happened right as Stats was slumping after GSL so I'm not sure how much that counts. Other than that one win, he's lost to herO three times and Stats once. Eh, if soO beats Classic he will have plenty of prep time and Inno as a practice partner. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On June 14 2017 22:05 ParksonVN wrote: And what a bad day for SC2 fan tbh, a TvT sniper being in a final guarantees a one-sided series for sure, there are huge gap in mechanic skill between Gumiho and either Classic or Soo, in a Bo7 non-mirror match up, there is 99% chance Soo or Classic will stomp the shit out of Gumiho. I feel sorry for Maru, Inno and TY. no. Beautiful day for sc2! GuMiho will be extremely competitive against either. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:35 pvsnp wrote: Gumiho can take games, yes, but not matches. In 2017 offline matches, the only series he's won against a top Protoss was Stats in the Super Tournament. And that happened right as Stats was slumping after GSL so I'm not sure how much that counts. Other than that one win, he's lost to herO three times and Stats once. Eh, if soO beats Classic he will have plenty of prep time and Inno as a practice partner. Talking about offline matches when these barely happen is kind of funny way of cherry picking. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:00 TerranOwnsAll wrote: Do you guys think Gumiho has a better chance against SoO or Classic? I mean one of them has lost every GSL finals he's ever been in so.... | ||
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usopsama
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
So happy :D He's walking a true champ's path too. Hope he hits soO in the finals for an epic story and probably some great games. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 15 2017 06:26 usopsama wrote: Fucking TY and Maru, how can you lose to that scrub? They didn't lose to you, you know. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 15 2017 05:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Talking about offline matches when these barely happen is kind of funny way of cherry picking. Perhaps you missed this event, I think it was called "GSL." I hear there are a lot of offline matches going on there. In fact, I hear this guy called 'Gumiho' is going to be playing an offline finals there, amazing right?! And there was SSL, and IEM, and the Super Tournament. Guniho has played 41 offline TvP games in premier tournaments alone since the start of the year. But of course it's totally picking cherries to use offline matches to predict an offline final, I mean who the hell would think a representative sample is actually a good idea? | ||
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TerranOwnsAll
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 15 2017 08:18 pvsnp wrote: Perhaps you missed this event, I think it was called "GSL." I hear there are a lot of offline matches going on there. In fact, I hear this guy called 'Gumiho' is going to be playing an offline finals there, amazing right?! And there was SSL, and IEM, and the Super Tournament. Guniho has played 41 offline TvP games in premier tournaments alone since the start of the year. But of course it's totally picking cherries to use offline matches to predict an offline final, I mean who the hell would think a representative sample is actually a good idea? 41 offline TvP games in 6 months? 10 hours worth of games over 6 months is such a representative sample, in a game where players regularly peak in form for a week or two (of calendar time). In every match-up, because that's how peaks of form work, just ask Dear. No, your sample is indeed a classic case of cherrypicking, you went digging few months back just to try and make a point about his match-ups but forgot in the process that knowledge from 6 months back is never relevant in SC2 for judging present form. | ||
Poopi
France12880 Posts
On June 15 2017 04:35 pvsnp wrote: Gumiho can take games, yes, but not matches. In 2017 offline matches, the only series he's won against a top Protoss was Stats in the Super Tournament. And that happened right as Stats was slumping after GSL so I'm not sure how much that counts. Other than that one win, he's lost to herO three times and Stats once. Eh, if soO beats Classic he will have plenty of prep time and Inno as a practice partner. If you can take games you can take matches because to win matches you just need to win enough games :o. To be honest every player left can win this GSL, it's gonna come down to who comes more prepared. I wonder who will practice with Gumiho. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 15 2017 10:07 lolfail9001 wrote: 41 offline TvP games in 6 months? 10 hours worth of games over 6 months is such a representative sample, in a game where players regularly peak in form for a week or two (of calendar time). In every match-up, because that's how peaks of form work, just ask Dear. No, your sample is indeed a classic case of cherrypicking, you went digging few months back just to try and make a point about his match-ups but forgot in the process that knowledge from 6 months back is never relevant in SC2 for judging present form. I used the games since the new year because the sample whose size you are already bitching about would get even smaller if I shrank the date range. So either we have a non-representative sample because of date, or a non-representative sample because of size. Or a non-representative sample because of online/offline type. You seem to have forgotten that Starcraft II players simply don't play as many games as your obtuse definition of sufficiently large sample requires. You've insisted on using a sweeping definition of "cherry-picking" such that there's no good answer, the games are useless data in all cases, and ergo it is pointless to mention any of this at all. Worthless definition, worthless discussion. Congratulations on wasting my time. On to a more meaningful discussion: On June 15 2017 10:16 Poopi wrote: If you can take games you can take matches because to win matches you just need to win enough games :o. To be honest every player left can win this GSL, it's gonna come down to who comes more prepared. I wonder who will practice with Gumiho. Yeah, anybody can win. I'm just not inclined to favor Gumiho against Classic/soO. Not saying it's impossible by any means though. Gumiho's practice partners are a good point, actually. It's obvious that Classic/soO will practice with INnoVation, but what top-class Protoss/Zerg players are friends of Gumiho? I can't remember any particularly skilled P/Z players on MVP, and there definitely aren't any on Psistorm right now. So where does that leave him? Personally, I've got no idea. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 15 2017 12:17 pvsnp wrote: I used the games since the new year because the sample whose size you are already bitching about would get even smaller if I shrank the date range. So either we have a non-representative sample because of date, or a non-representative sample because of size. Or a non-representative sample because of online/offline type. You seem to have forgotten that Starcraft II players simply don't play as many games as your obtuse definition of sufficiently large sample requires. You've insisted on using a sweeping definition of "cherry-picking" such that there's no good answer, the games are useless data in all cases, and ergo it is pointless to mention any of this at all. Worthless definition, worthless discussion. Congratulations on wasting my time. Yeah, sample is unrepresentative so maybe it's time you'll learn that every time a Korean player went on a tear in offline matches he first went on a tear in online matches/ladder in general. So, online matches freaking matter, and excluding them just because they don't allow you to push your point bringing up half a year old games really does not help you. | ||
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