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On June 14 2017 22:05 ParksonVN wrote:
And what a bad day for SC2 fan tbh, a TvT sniper being in a final guarantees a one-sided series for sure, there are huge gap in mechanic skill between Gumiho and either Classic or Soo, in a Bo7 non-mirror match up, there is 99% chance Soo or Classic will stomp the shit out of Gumiho. I feel sorry for Maru, Inno and TY.
I wonder. Why are you so sure about that?
GuMiho is more than just a TvT sniper (it's not even his best match-up).
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France12911 Posts
On June 14 2017 22:05 ParksonVN wrote:
And what a bad day for SC2 fan tbh, a TvT sniper being in a final guarantees a one-sided series for sure, there are huge gap in mechanic skill between Gumiho and either Classic or Soo, in a Bo7 non-mirror match up, there is 99% chance Soo or Classic will stomp the shit out of Gumiho. I feel sorry for Maru, Inno and TY.
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Gumiho is about as good among terrans as soO and Classic are among zergs and protosses.
It really depends on their current form whether or not they advance. The fact that TY, ByuN and Maru are more accomplished as terrans than Gumiho doesn't make them automatically better than him, even in other match-ups than TvT.
For example, I'd put Maru slightly ahead in TvZ than him, but worse in TvP.
If Gumiho goes on to win GSL, he'll be as big (or almost) of a terran name as these three.
And no the odds are way way closer than that.
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Sick finals. Just watched the VOD, it's worth the while.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 14 2017 21:58 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 21:46 SHODAN wrote:On June 14 2017 20:25 Vanadiel wrote:
Curse aside, I still think Gumiho could beat Soo, he may not be the best terran but he has a wide variety of build that could mess a lot with Soo play style. it's so hard to prepare for him. no other terran is playing mech at GuMiho's level you forgot InnoVation, I dont think anyone can surpass Inno's mech play in 2015.
Fairly certain that Gumiho was still regarded as best mech terran even in 2015.
By Koreans, anyways.
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Does Swarm Host still shut down Terran mech play?
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On June 14 2017 23:01 kajtarp wrote:
Does Swarm Host still shut down Terran mech play?
"Still"
No, it isn't 2014.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 14 2017 23:01 kajtarp wrote:
Does Swarm Host still shut down Terran mech play?
If you're avilo, perhaps.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Gumiho, Ryung, aLive, Byun, so many of these old school terrans
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On June 14 2017 23:05 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 23:01 kajtarp wrote:
Does Swarm Host still shut down Terran mech play? "Still" No, it isn't 2014.
It didn't even in 2014
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
It was never that SH was overpowered like BL/infestor, it was that it was boring.
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gumiho is gonna win his first GSL in 2017, damn
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Loved these series, loved those TvT, both of them, the rush and macro games in the BO7, I don't get why people get so mad about it.
This is a FU*KING strategy game, which means your strategy have some weight, right? And that is what we saw, strategy and skill from both sides, but GuMiho was better today, and I enjoyed every game.
People hating rushes and proxies are like those hating macro, sad them can't enjoy series like the one we had today, and both previous TvT were awesome as well.
Now I think Classic will win, even when I want soO in the finals tho... I see it hard for him to win a ZvP vs Classic which seems unstoppable lately.
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On June 14 2017 23:17 stuchiu wrote:
Gumiho, Ryung, aLive, Byun, so many of these old school terrans
Flash went back to BW. Muh elephant in da room
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South Korea2106 Posts
On June 14 2017 23:01 kajtarp wrote:
Does Swarm Host still shut down Terran mech play?
Mech requires dealing damage in the early game, otherwise it's easily containable. So situations where Swarm Hosts shut it down are quite frequent indeed. Unless you're Innovation.
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On June 15 2017 00:09 Sogetsu wrote:
Loved these series, loved those TvT, both of them, the rush and macro games in the BO7, I don't get why people get so mad about it.
This is a FU*KING strategy game, which means your strategy have some weight, right? And that is what we saw, strategy and skill from both sides, but GuMiho was better today, and I enjoyed every game.
People hating rushes and proxies are like those hating macro, sad them can't enjoy series like the one we had today, and both previous TvT were awesome as well.
Now I think Classic will win, even when I want soO in the finals tho... I see it hard for him to win a ZvP vs Classic which seems unstoppable lately.
the non-stanard games were so much like a C&C game....
just really cool that we can have the traditional "simmy" type of Starcraft brand RTS game
AND
a C&C gimmick-fest with quick tricks and nasty fucking brutal hard counters and micro that makes you want to smash ur keyboard into a million pieces when u lose to it.
SC in general feels just ever so slightly too "sim" oriented. C&C is too gimmicky. LotV is a good balance between the 2.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 15 2017 00:09 Sogetsu wrote:
Loved these series, loved those TvT, both of them, the rush and macro games in the BO7, I don't get why people get so mad about it.
This is a FU*KING strategy game, which means your strategy have some weight, right? And that is what we saw, strategy and skill from both sides, but GuMiho was better today, and I enjoyed every game.
People hating rushes and proxies are like those hating macro, sad them can't enjoy series like the one we had today, and both previous TvT were awesome as well.
Now I think Classic will win, even when I want soO in the finals tho... I see it hard for him to win a ZvP vs Classic which seems unstoppable lately.
People hate reapers, not the proxies.
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On June 15 2017 00:09 Sogetsu wrote:
Loved these series, loved those TvT, both of them, the rush and macro games in the BO7, I don't get why people get so mad about it.
This is a FU*KING strategy game, which means your strategy have some weight, right? And that is what we saw, strategy and skill from both sides, but GuMiho was better today, and I enjoyed every game.
People hating rushes and proxies are like those hating macro, sad them can't enjoy series like the one we had today, and both previous TvT were awesome as well.
Now I think Classic will win, even when I want soO in the finals tho... I see it hard for him to win a ZvP vs Classic which seems unstoppable lately.
Proxies should be a massive gamble to do and have some weight to them. Not the standard meta in 80% of games. It just turns the matchup into a coinflip of who scouts who's proxy first.
Its not people hating proxy reaper, it's the fact the same build was used in almost every map and its a complete coinflip/who has quicker hands of the day. its like ZvZ when each player goes lingbane rush. Even the best players in the world lose to weaker ones in this scenario. And when we end up with weaker players eliminating better ones it can ruin tournaments and give us shit finals
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Congrats Gumiho but Maru, Nooooooooooo!
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On June 14 2017 22:56 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2017 21:58 ParksonVN wrote:On June 14 2017 21:46 SHODAN wrote:On June 14 2017 20:25 Vanadiel wrote:
Curse aside, I still think Gumiho could beat Soo, he may not be the best terran but he has a wide variety of build that could mess a lot with Soo play style. it's so hard to prepare for him. no other terran is playing mech at GuMiho's level you forgot InnoVation, I dont think anyone can surpass Inno's mech play in 2015. Fairly certain that Gumiho was still regarded as best mech terran even in 2015. By Koreans, anyways.
Until ByuL made Gumiho look like a mech fool in the Ro8 and then Inno beat ByuL with mech in the finals?
Gumiho might not be a completely one-dimensional TvT sniper, but he got to the finals off the back of TvT and he's definitely outmatched against Classic who beat TY and soO who beat Maru.
Hoping for soO to beat Classic, because getting a non-top-tier TvZ player as an opponent is a golden opportunity for him to finally grab the gold.
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