EPT[SSL 2017] Premier Division - Week 4 - Page 7
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Magnifico
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Elentos
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On April 10 2017 20:57 Olli wrote: But he caught Zest in that horribly awkward spot that every Protoss who's ever played PvT knows is the worst feeling in the world. You've got to attack, you're confident that your attack can do well, you get dropped at the worst possible time in the worst possible place Oh don't think this is a Protoss exclusive feeling. That happens way more in TvT than anyone would like. Regardless, the point stands - how is his attack going to succeed when there are already units killing his main? If it becomes a base trade, Patience got there first. | ||
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Elentos
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On April 10 2017 21:00 Elentos wrote: Oh don't think this is a Protoss exclusive feeling. That happens way more in TvT than anyone would like. Regardless, the point stands - how is his attack going to succeed when there are already units killing his main? If it becomes a base trade, Patience got there first. I think he has to attack anyway. Patience can't basetrade him with two immortals and a few adepts. Sack the main if necessary, the third's more important. Get as many probes out as possible, secure the natural with a few pylons, warp in aggressively and all in Patience's third. If he kills Patience's army and the third, he can kill the natural too. Then he's got the stronger standing army, better economy and might be able to go home and clean up Patience's aggressive force, then win a basetrade. But that's all best case scenario. Going home was auto-loss though. | ||
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Elentos
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On April 10 2017 21:07 Olli wrote: I think he has to attack anyway. Patience can't basetrade him with two immortals and a few adepts. Sack the main if necessary, the third's more important. Get as many probes out as possible, secure the natural with a few pylons, warp in aggressively and all in Patience's third. If he kills Patience's army and the third, he can kill the natural too. Then he's got the stronger standing army, better economy and might be able to go home and clean up Patience's aggressive force, then win a basetrade. But that's all best case scenario. Going home was auto-loss though. Since Zest's main and 3rd were basically empty Patience could have sacked his own 3rd and waited to have the better army, he wouldn't have been forced to fight. Also 2 immortals could unpower all the gates in his main. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
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Elentos
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Fango
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Ej_
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On April 10 2017 21:08 Elentos wrote: Since Zest's main and 3rd were basically empty Patience could have sacked his own 3rd and waited to have the better army, he wouldn't have been forced to fight. Also 2 immortals could unpower all the gates in his main. Patience was preparing to hold the third though, as I think he should. Unpowering gates is the worst part of this, but that's why Zest has to warp in aggressively from the start. Even if Patience backs off and loses "only" the third, he loses a robo and robo bay for it as well, since those were at the third. Once the third is down, Zest can start warping in at home, go back and clean up that part of Patience's army. Main/natural with single robo and one upgrade ahead vs natural/third with single robo and disruptor tech, but unpowered gates for a while is still hard, but more doable than what happened. | ||
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Lorning
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Lorning
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intotheheart
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Lorning
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Ej_
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"HE JUST NEEDS TO DEFEND" | ||
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Elentos
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
I was thinking it was gonna be a 10 minute 2-0 after the proxy at the start | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On April 10 2017 21:29 Ej_ wrote: alive doesnt have tanks, doesnt have workers "HE JUST NEEDS TO DEFEND" Yeah Wolf could check the unit tab a bit more often  sometimes I can almost hear Valdes sigh in the background | ||
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Elentos
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On April 10 2017 21:30 Fango wrote: Maru pulled that back I was thinking it was gonna be a 10 minute 2-0 after the proxy at the start It should have been. aLive was so far ahead but he just didn't know what to do with it. He didn't properly attack, he didn't go greedy. He went middle of the road after taking no damage from a 2-rax proxy. Not optimal. | ||
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