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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55583 Posts
March 05 2017 20:50 GMT
#1581
On March 06 2017 05:42 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 05:26 Elentos wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

Not in the literal sense
[image loading]

What was that tournament?

Cross Finals

Which is why I said "Not in the literal sense". It's a trophy. Just not from a big tournament
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 05 2017 20:58 GMT
#1582
On March 06 2017 05:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 05:42 sharkie wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:26 Elentos wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

Not in the literal sense
[image loading]

What was that tournament?

Cross Finals

Which is why I said "Not in the literal sense". It's a trophy. Just not from a big tournament

Still a better trophy than any GSL/SSL ever :D
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 21:34:07
March 05 2017 21:33 GMT
#1583
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

God has given more than five years for all players to prove themselves as a champion, many players already did, but Stats didn't and there are no excuses can be made here because time is fair for everyone.
He will never be a Protoss Titan like Rain, Parting, sOs, Classic, herO and Zest. This is a sad fact but it's inescapable due to his age.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16079 Posts
March 05 2017 21:40 GMT
#1584
On March 06 2017 06:33 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

God has given more than five years for all players to prove themselves as a champion, many players already did, but Stats didn't and there are no excuses can be made here because time is fair for everyone.
He will never be a Protoss Titan like Rain, Parting, sOs, Classic, herO and Zest. This is a sad fact but it's inescapable due to his age.

If he wins 2-3 tournaments this year he can very well be on the level of Classic or PartinG
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 05 2017 21:47 GMT
#1585
On March 06 2017 04:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 03:54 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:48 Durnuu wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:30 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:00 Kovzirg wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:48 Penev wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:47 Fango wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:43 Diabolique wrote:
ESL CS:GO 177596 viewers
Disgusting. How many viewers did we have? 50k? 60k? Part of them already waiting for CSGO?


tbf CSGO is actually a great esport. CS and SC are by far the highest skill games.

not great to watch tho imho

I prefer Quake 1on1 fps


Yes. Quake was the greatest 1on1 game ever made.

SSBM even better

I wish SSBM wasn't the same 5 players fighting for 1st place at every tournament :/

It's actually not right now. Mostly Armada/Hbox with a bit of Mango and sometimes Leffen, M2K hasn't won in forever iirc.
But there are up and coming players, Plup is the next godslayer for example.
I'd rather have that than the random mess sc2 has been :x, but I guess it depends on your taste indeed.

Tbf, most very well known 1v1 esports games are great, and probably the best in their respective genre!
Can't really objectively say which game (among quake/sc:bw/sc2/ssbm/did I forget one?) is the best 1v1 game...

M2K > Hbox right now. But yes, the era of 5 gods is over by now. I'd say it's Armada >>>> Mango/M2K/Leffen/HBox > atm and probs won't change until Armada retires lol.
And Quake is top1

I dunno if you can say M2k > Hbox. Hbox OWNS M2K in the head to head. Sure M2K recently beat him at Smash Conference/UGC (he played fucking nuuutttttss at UGC) and outplaced him at Genesis but tbh Smash conference and Genesis were more about the fact that Hbox had a fractured finger and literally had to change the way he played the game for a few months to compensate. Plus Hbox beat him in their last match at Tampa Never Sleeps.

Also Hbox won like 16 billion tournaments in 2016 and M2k won like... 2. And neither of M2k's wins featured more than 2 gods iirc whereas Hbox won EVO and BOTFG
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 05 2017 21:49 GMT
#1586
On March 06 2017 06:47 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 04:37 Ej_ wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:54 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:48 Durnuu wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:30 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:00 Kovzirg wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:48 Penev wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:47 Fango wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:43 Diabolique wrote:
ESL CS:GO 177596 viewers
Disgusting. How many viewers did we have? 50k? 60k? Part of them already waiting for CSGO?


tbf CSGO is actually a great esport. CS and SC are by far the highest skill games.

not great to watch tho imho

I prefer Quake 1on1 fps


Yes. Quake was the greatest 1on1 game ever made.

SSBM even better

I wish SSBM wasn't the same 5 players fighting for 1st place at every tournament :/

It's actually not right now. Mostly Armada/Hbox with a bit of Mango and sometimes Leffen, M2K hasn't won in forever iirc.
But there are up and coming players, Plup is the next godslayer for example.
I'd rather have that than the random mess sc2 has been :x, but I guess it depends on your taste indeed.

Tbf, most very well known 1v1 esports games are great, and probably the best in their respective genre!
Can't really objectively say which game (among quake/sc:bw/sc2/ssbm/did I forget one?) is the best 1v1 game...

M2K > Hbox right now. But yes, the era of 5 gods is over by now. I'd say it's Armada >>>> Mango/M2K/Leffen/HBox > atm and probs won't change until Armada retires lol.
And Quake is top1

I dunno if you can say M2k > Hbox. Hbox OWNS M2K in the head to head. Sure M2K recently beat him at Smash Conference/UGC (he played fucking nuuutttttss at UGC) and outplaced him at Genesis but tbh Smash conference and Genesis were more about the fact that Hbox had a fractured finger and literally had to change the way he played the game for a few months to compensate. Plus Hbox beat him in their last match at Tampa Never Sleeps.

Also Hbox won like 16 billion tournaments in 2016 and M2k won like... 2. And neither of M2k's wins featured more than 2 gods iirc whereas Hbox won EVO and BOTFG

People will always be biased against Hbox simply because he plays puff
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 05 2017 21:55 GMT
#1587
On March 06 2017 06:40 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 06:33 Alarak89 wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

God has given more than five years for all players to prove themselves as a champion, many players already did, but Stats didn't and there are no excuses can be made here because time is fair for everyone.
He will never be a Protoss Titan like Rain, Parting, sOs, Classic, herO and Zest. This is a sad fact but it's inescapable due to his age.

If he wins 2-3 tournaments this year he can very well be on the level of Classic or PartinG

You think win 2-3 tournaments in one year is easy in Korea? Cuz I remember only few players accomplished that. I guess he can win this coming GSL if he wants to prove himself and we can start from there to dream more.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 05 2017 22:01 GMT
#1588
On March 06 2017 06:55 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 06:40 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 06 2017 06:33 Alarak89 wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

God has given more than five years for all players to prove themselves as a champion, many players already did, but Stats didn't and there are no excuses can be made here because time is fair for everyone.
He will never be a Protoss Titan like Rain, Parting, sOs, Classic, herO and Zest. This is a sad fact but it's inescapable due to his age.

If he wins 2-3 tournaments this year he can very well be on the level of Classic or PartinG

You think win 2-3 tournaments in one year is easy in Korea? Cuz I remember only few players accomplished that. I guess he can win this coming GSL if he wants to prove himself and we can start from there to dream more.

Well there are like 10 tournaments this year? : p
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 22:09:00
March 05 2017 22:08 GMT
#1589
On March 06 2017 07:01 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 06:55 Alarak89 wrote:
On March 06 2017 06:40 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 06 2017 06:33 Alarak89 wrote:
On March 06 2017 05:20 sharkie wrote:
Stats destined to end his career trophyless? :p

God has given more than five years for all players to prove themselves as a champion, many players already did, but Stats didn't and there are no excuses can be made here because time is fair for everyone.
He will never be a Protoss Titan like Rain, Parting, sOs, Classic, herO and Zest. This is a sad fact but it's inescapable due to his age.

If he wins 2-3 tournaments this year he can very well be on the level of Classic or PartinG

You think win 2-3 tournaments in one year is easy in Korea? Cuz I remember only few players accomplished that. I guess he can win this coming GSL if he wants to prove himself and we can start from there to dream more.

Well there are like 10 tournaments this year? : p

If I remember correctly, we have 2 GSL, 2 SSL, 2 Afreeca Super tournament (or something like that) and Blizzcon left, right? So he has 8 chances to show he can still lift a "real" trophy.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 22:31:48
March 05 2017 22:29 GMT
#1590
If I remember correctly, we have 2 GSL, 2 SSL, 2 Afreeca Super tournament (or something like that) and Blizzcon left, right? So he has 8 chances to show he can still lift a "real" trophy.

2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 7
If you were counting GSL vs the World, that would be 8. If you were counting the current GSL (which Stats is still in) that would also be 8. Counting both makes 9.

Those are all the events in 2017 WCS that Stats could win.
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 05 2017 22:32 GMT
#1591
On March 06 2017 07:29 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
If I remember correctly, we have 2 GSL, 2 SSL, 2 Afreeca Super tournament (or something like that) and Blizzcon left, right? So he has 8 chances to show he can still lift a "real" trophy.

2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 7

Well you forgot he is in this coming GSL as well and I know someone is gonna point this out, but nice try though.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 22:35:35
March 05 2017 22:32 GMT
#1592
Well you forgot he is in this coming GSL as well and I know someone is gonna point this out, but nice try though.

Reread my entire post please. It was edited 12 seconds before you posted, as you can see.
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 05 2017 22:45 GMT
#1593
On March 06 2017 07:32 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
Well you forgot he is in this coming GSL as well and I know someone is gonna point this out, but nice try though.

Reread my entire post please. It was edited 12 seconds before you posted, as you can see.

I think the tournament number is 8 or 9 should not a big deal here, the question is he can win 2-3 of them or not.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 05 2017 23:18 GMT
#1594
I think the tournament number is 8 or 9 should not a big deal here, the question is he can win 2-3 of them or not.

Most likely 1, 2-3 would be pretty surprising and would make him the best player around.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
March 05 2017 23:30 GMT
#1595
On March 06 2017 06:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2017 06:47 Darkhorse wrote:
On March 06 2017 04:37 Ej_ wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:54 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:48 Durnuu wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:30 Poopi wrote:
On March 06 2017 03:00 Kovzirg wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:48 Penev wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:47 Fango wrote:
On March 06 2017 02:43 Diabolique wrote:
ESL CS:GO 177596 viewers
Disgusting. How many viewers did we have? 50k? 60k? Part of them already waiting for CSGO?


tbf CSGO is actually a great esport. CS and SC are by far the highest skill games.

not great to watch tho imho

I prefer Quake 1on1 fps


Yes. Quake was the greatest 1on1 game ever made.

SSBM even better

I wish SSBM wasn't the same 5 players fighting for 1st place at every tournament :/

It's actually not right now. Mostly Armada/Hbox with a bit of Mango and sometimes Leffen, M2K hasn't won in forever iirc.
But there are up and coming players, Plup is the next godslayer for example.
I'd rather have that than the random mess sc2 has been :x, but I guess it depends on your taste indeed.

Tbf, most very well known 1v1 esports games are great, and probably the best in their respective genre!
Can't really objectively say which game (among quake/sc:bw/sc2/ssbm/did I forget one?) is the best 1v1 game...

M2K > Hbox right now. But yes, the era of 5 gods is over by now. I'd say it's Armada >>>> Mango/M2K/Leffen/HBox > atm and probs won't change until Armada retires lol.
And Quake is top1

I dunno if you can say M2k > Hbox. Hbox OWNS M2K in the head to head. Sure M2K recently beat him at Smash Conference/UGC (he played fucking nuuutttttss at UGC) and outplaced him at Genesis but tbh Smash conference and Genesis were more about the fact that Hbox had a fractured finger and literally had to change the way he played the game for a few months to compensate. Plus Hbox beat him in their last match at Tampa Never Sleeps.

Also Hbox won like 16 billion tournaments in 2016 and M2k won like... 2. And neither of M2k's wins featured more than 2 gods iirc whereas Hbox won EVO and BOTFG

People will always be biased against Hbox simply because he plays puff

thats the very reason people should be biased toward HBox #justbackair
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 05 2017 23:31 GMT
#1596
On March 06 2017 08:18 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think the tournament number is 8 or 9 should not a big deal here, the question is he can win 2-3 of them or not.

Most likely 1, 2-3 would be pretty surprising and would make him the best player around.

We'll see, the best part is Koreans have more tournaments they can play than last year, but this also means players like Stats better prove themselves right now before it become more embarrassing.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 06 2017 00:13 GMT
#1597
3 GSL
2 SSL
2 Afreeca Super cup
1 Korea vs the World
1 Blizzcon


with the way stats has played he has to win at least 1-2 of those if he doesn't slump.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 06 2017 00:19 GMT
#1598
There are also VSL tournaments but those are smaller.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
March 06 2017 00:25 GMT
#1599
On March 06 2017 09:19 Ansibled wrote:
There are also VSL tournaments but those are smaller.

Yes, I almost forget this one, I think it contains individual tournament as well this year. So there are 10 tournaments in total which is more than sufficient to let any player improving his championship number.
sOs is THE ONLY player I pay attention to
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-06 00:58:08
March 06 2017 00:56 GMT
#1600
Just looking at how many tournaments there are, the WCS is gonna be so tough. now that it's just top 8 instead of top 16 for korea. It's normally like 4000ish points to get a place at blizzcon, we're only a couple months in and top 8 is already 2000 minimum.

Who do people think will get through? Stats TY and Inno should have it. There's still Dark, soO, classic, sOs, aLive, byuN, ryung, maru, Zest etc and only a couple can get it. Gonna be so stacked by the end of the year.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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