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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 15 2017 05:51 GMT
#321
On January 15 2017 14:47 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 14:46 stuchiu wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:44 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:42 stuchiu wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:39 Noonius wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:38 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Honestly I feel bad for protoss right now and that doesn't usually happen. The hell do you do against libs?


lets just keep calm and let the meta settle and protoss figure out how to deal with liberators. Paraphrasing a bit of DK here


"We don't believe that bl/infestor is impossible to beat. The ladder shows 50/50 winrates at every level except the highest. Multiple Terrans have won tournaments and players should try to emulate two of the greatest players to ever touch the mouse." - David Kim


Is it time? Is it time TL called for David Kim to be fired, so every other person who has played this game can agree, ask for the same, and we can move on? Can I have the game I love back?

I feel like I am writing every other post in this LR thread.

Mebe I am dreaming.




hell if I know, I just love the hilarity of those updates in hindsight.


... but you did know at the time it was broken too, right? Or were you on the "let the meta settle bandwagon"?


Listen you don't watch YugiOh win 2v4 base against Parting and think everything is fine and dandy.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 15 2017 05:51 GMT
#322
On January 15 2017 14:48 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 14:37 Noonius wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:37 Hider wrote:
Another 3-0 please. Betting against foreigners is so profitable


real money comes from upsets



Think about it this way. The bookmakers thought that it was 50-50 to whether Neeb would win 2 games (or more) against Ty.

So betting on a 3-0 win is actually an upset.

Also, I think most of these games were like 75%+ at least for both Ty and Maru to win. Never really felt like Neeb and Showtime had any "win condition".

I feel like game 3 was winnable for ShoWTimE had he not overextended.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
January 15 2017 05:51 GMT
#323
That was an easy big amount of money for the Krs.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 05:52:27
January 15 2017 05:51 GMT
#324
On January 15 2017 14:49 Superbanana wrote:
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On January 15 2017 14:46 CynicalDeath wrote:
TIL that "the gap is closing" means that Koreans have now to play with both hands instead of the good old mono-hand to keep rekting foreigners' hopes...

Blizzard claimed the gap is closing? or the community in general?
Looks like the same as always to me.
Except there is no one foreign above all the others, just a healthy number losing 3-0


Gap is increasing right now if you look at the performance of top korean terrans. Especially Maru and Innovation are out of this world.

I feel Ty looks slightly worse tbh. Also lost one game against Showtime.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 15 2017 05:53 GMT
#325
time to make a sandwich
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
January 15 2017 05:53 GMT
#326
On January 15 2017 14:48 Die4Ever wrote:
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On January 15 2017 14:47 Parcelleus wrote:
wow what an RTS , the level playing field , watching the two and fro of both races attacking and defending. oh wait !

yea KR is the completely OP race



weak sauce, zest, herO... completely dominating PvT, not.
*burp*
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
January 15 2017 05:53 GMT
#327
I still think Neeb, Scarlett and Showtime had the potential to do better.
triple 3-0 was unexpected.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 15 2017 05:53 GMT
#328
I've seen a decent amount of gap is closing comments. Don't really care as there isn't enough international competition to verify it one way or another.

What we can do is see if Maru will make TY choke.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 15 2017 05:53 GMT
#329
Normally I'd favor Neeb over Showtime, but with how he's played Showtime is definitely the favorite. And the English stream seems to be able to tell when games end to start working again.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 15 2017 05:56 GMT
#330
On January 15 2017 14:53 Superbanana wrote:
I still think Neeb, Scarlett and Showtime had the potential to do better.
triple 3-0 was unexpected.

They really do. Sad they didn't show it. It'll be a long while till the two protoss get another chance in an offline tournament sadly
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
January 15 2017 05:56 GMT
#331
On January 15 2017 14:53 stuchiu wrote:
I've seen a decent amount of gap is closing comments. Don't really care as there isn't enough international competition to verify it one way or another.

What we can do is see if Maru will make TY choke.

I think you just have to rely on the eye test at this point. Look at the play styles between Koreans vs foreigners and judge from that in addition to what little tournaments we have where both good Koreans and foreigners are playing against each other. The increased amount of streaming definitely helps.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 05:57:29
January 15 2017 05:57 GMT
#332
On January 15 2017 14:53 Superbanana wrote:
I still think Neeb, Scarlett and Showtime had the potential to do better.

TY had the potential to 16-0, too. Sadly, neither happened.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 15 2017 06:01 GMT
#333
On January 15 2017 14:57 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 14:53 Superbanana wrote:
I still think Neeb, Scarlett and Showtime had the potential to do better.

TY had the potential to 16-0, too. Sadly, neither happened.


Brazill too stronk
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9419 Posts
January 15 2017 06:01 GMT
#334
On January 15 2017 14:51 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 14:48 Hider wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:37 Noonius wrote:
On January 15 2017 14:37 Hider wrote:
Another 3-0 please. Betting against foreigners is so profitable


real money comes from upsets



Think about it this way. The bookmakers thought that it was 50-50 to whether Neeb would win 2 games (or more) against Ty.

So betting on a 3-0 win is actually an upset.

Also, I think most of these games were like 75%+ at least for both Ty and Maru to win. Never really felt like Neeb and Showtime had any "win condition".

I feel like game 3 was winnable for ShoWTimE had he not overextended.


Yeah but its like if he didn't do X then maybe he would have a chance. But over the rest of the game he also needs to avoid doing Y and Z.

And these koreans can just force potential errors over lessor skilled players all the time.

Right now it seems that all-ins are almost a non-factor when playing vs protoss and thus its alot easier to rely on the favourite to win.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
January 15 2017 06:01 GMT
#335
On January 15 2017 14:57 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 14:53 Superbanana wrote:
I still think Neeb, Scarlett and Showtime had the potential to do better.

TY had the potential to 16-0, too. Sadly, neither happened.

Yeah, i mean it was not the result i expected.
If i had to predict, i would throw 3-1s.

As for TY, i would never see a 16-0 coming.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
January 15 2017 06:02 GMT
#336
Why do I get the feeling that this PvP series is going to take something like an hour and a half?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 15 2017 06:04 GMT
#337
On January 15 2017 15:02 Boggyb wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that this PvP series is going to take something like an hour and a half?


Because it's a bo7 and an hour and a half is a reasonable amount of time for a bo7?
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-15 06:10:29
January 15 2017 06:05 GMT
#338
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 15 2017 06:06 GMT
#339
On January 15 2017 15:02 Boggyb wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that this PvP series is going to take something like an hour and a half?


it's all part of the plan to make that terran sweat and think how he's gonna lose to TY
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 15 2017 06:06 GMT
#340
On January 15 2017 15:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2017 15:02 Boggyb wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that this PvP series is going to take something like an hour and a half?


Because it's a bo7 and an hour and a half is a reasonable amount of time for a bo7?

Bo5
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
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