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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51472 Posts
On November 01 2016 02:34 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 02:11 Musicus wrote:
The bracket was drawn on stream and players from the same group can't play vs each other before the final, also 1st place vs 2nd place.
It does not get more fair. I'm pretty sure it would be fairer if people from the same group could end up in the same half. And honestly for an actual bracket draw it's pretty anti-climactic when there's a 50% chance a certain match-up happens before half the players got drawn. Granted I've been 100% sure ByuN vs TY would happen in the Ro8 for months now, but a bit of suspense would have been nice 
Needed full champions league draw level, 1 hour long ceremony for a 1 minute draw. Get old sc2 pros like MVP and NesTea special guests drawing the balls etcetc haha.
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On November 01 2016 02:47 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 01:40 HugoBallzak wrote:
How is this bracket decided upon? Two things that stand out to me. 3 foreigners packed into 1 side means 75% chance of foreigner in the final or something. Also, neeb somehow avoiding terran players completely until the final or possibly the entire event? Why would a foreigner in the finals a bad thing? I mean there has been not so deserving KR players in Blizzcon finals in the past as well iirc. Plus they would have to beat Dark or the man who beat Dark to get there so it's not free at all. However if Neeb beats Dark he has a free semi, except if ShoWTimE can beat him which is possible.
It isn't a bad thing. I just wanna make sure that the bracket process was fair and decided upon before the players qualified. Seems to me like a system where each player who makes it out of the group knows exactly where they go in a bracket based on their group placing makes the most sense. 3 foreigners on a single side just APPEARS to be a little lucky IMO.
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On November 01 2016 03:05 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 02:34 Elentos wrote:On November 01 2016 02:11 Musicus wrote:
The bracket was drawn on stream and players from the same group can't play vs each other before the final, also 1st place vs 2nd place.
It does not get more fair. I'm pretty sure it would be fairer if people from the same group could end up in the same half. And honestly for an actual bracket draw it's pretty anti-climactic when there's a 50% chance a certain match-up happens before half the players got drawn. Granted I've been 100% sure ByuN vs TY would happen in the Ro8 for months now, but a bit of suspense would have been nice Needed full champions league draw level, 1 hour long ceremony for a 1 minute draw. Get old sc2 pros like MVP and NesTea special guests drawing the balls etcetc haha.
And rig the whole thing by having the balls have different temperatures and shit.
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On November 01 2016 03:22 HugoBallzak wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 02:47 Poopi wrote:On November 01 2016 01:40 HugoBallzak wrote:
How is this bracket decided upon? Two things that stand out to me. 3 foreigners packed into 1 side means 75% chance of foreigner in the final or something. Also, neeb somehow avoiding terran players completely until the final or possibly the entire event? Why would a foreigner in the finals a bad thing? I mean there has been not so deserving KR players in Blizzcon finals in the past as well iirc. Plus they would have to beat Dark or the man who beat Dark to get there so it's not free at all. However if Neeb beats Dark he has a free semi, except if ShoWTimE can beat him which is possible. It isn't a bad thing. I just wanna make sure that the bracket process was fair and decided upon before the players qualified. Seems to me like a system where each player who makes it out of the group knows exactly where they go in a bracket based on their group placing makes the most sense. 3 foreigners on a single side just APPEARS to be a little lucky IMO.
A system like that encourages players to throw since being second is sometimes better than being first. Also people are awful at probability, and always think brackets are rigged. 3 foreigners on a single side had 2/9 chances of happening.
What always surprises me is which brackets elicit community scrutiny. I've seen many more accusations of rigging against Dreamhack's brackets where fan favourite repeatedly eliminate each other in the early rounds (something undesirable to the organizers), than against the KeSPA cup brackets which have consistently had the minimal number of mirror match-up in the opening rounds, a much more unlikely event.
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TY hasn't lost a TvT series in all of LoTV just putting it out there. He's lost the odd map or bo1 but he's undefeated in series.
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On November 01 2016 03:47 Fango wrote:
TY hasn't lost a TvT series in all of LoTV just putting it out there. He's lost the odd map or bo1 but he's undefeated in series.
Neeb was undefeated in series vs Korean Protoss in LotV until Zest happened so anything is possible
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On November 01 2016 04:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 03:47 Fango wrote:
TY hasn't lost a TvT series in all of LoTV just putting it out there. He's lost the odd map or bo1 but he's undefeated in series. Neeb was undefeated in series vs Korean Protoss in LotV until Zest happened so anything is possible
TY's played a lot more TvTs than Neeb has played PvPs against Koreans, but yeah anything is possible.
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On November 01 2016 04:50 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2016 03:47 Fango wrote:
TY hasn't lost a TvT series in all of LoTV just putting it out there. He's lost the odd map or bo1 but he's undefeated in series. Neeb was undefeated in series vs Korean Protoss in LotV until Zest happened so anything is possible
Yeah but Neeb only played 8 BO3 (or BO5, BO7) series in LotV vs Korean Protosses.
TY played 25 BO3+ TvT series in LotV (23 vs Koreans), pretty big difference.
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Really don't like Byun vs TY this early. As if we weren't low enough on Terran representatives already, now one of the last two is forced to eliminate the other.
Crappy.
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On November 01 2016 05:01 J. Corsair wrote:
Really don't like Byun vs TY this early. As if we weren't low enough on Terran representatives already, now one of the last two is forced to eliminate the other.
Crappy.
oh no
only 1 guaranteed Terran in ro4
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France12771 Posts
Since they were capable of meeting in the finals yeah it's crappy especially for those of us who would like to see two TvX semi finals ^^.
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I'm going to Blizzcon, who else is going to be there?
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your Country52797 Posts
Nice OP. I suppose I will root for ByuN.
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On November 01 2016 14:19 The_Templar wrote:
Nice OP. I suppose I will root for ByuN.
I'm rooting for Byun, Dark, and TY if he beats Byun. Dark vs Terran finals would be sweet.
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
On October 31 2016 23:42 Charoisaur wrote:
I have never felt so little hype for blizzcon, foreigners just don't bring the hype.
On November 01 2016 02:10 YamiRi wrote:
so is this the hype thread?
2013 and 2014 were the best!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51472 Posts
On November 01 2016 17:34 IAmWithStupid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 23:42 Charoisaur wrote:
I have never felt so little hype for blizzcon, foreigners just don't bring the hype. 2013 and 2014 were the best! + Show Spoiler +
Oooo yeah i member!!!
Member Life????
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I love Byun's play but honestly TY would have high chance to win the whole thing, Byun seems much more vulnerable than TY  . I think we will most likely have Dark vs TY in the final, if there is any upset, it must be on the lower bracket since I dont see Dark could lose to any of the 3 foreigners.
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On October 31 2016 23:42 Charoisaur wrote:
I have never felt so little hype for blizzcon, foreigners just don't bring the hype.
agree with you, if there is hype for foreigners, it's only about the nationalism but not the skills and performances. Of course it's not wrong to hope for more foreigners that can actually compete with Koreans, but the skill cap of the Korean is simply unreachable . Remember the time we had when Innovation, Maru, Life,TY, SOS were on their peaks, foreigners just never can play like that.
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Russian Federation1016 Posts
On November 01 2016 17:59 ParksonVN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2016 23:42 Charoisaur wrote:
I have never felt so little hype for blizzcon, foreigners just don't bring the hype. agree with you, if there is hype for foreigners, it's only about the nationalism but not the skills and performances. Of course it's not wrong to hope for more foreigners that can actually compete with Koreans, but the skill cap of the Korean is simply unreachable . Remember the time we had when Innovation, Maru, Life,TY, SOS were on their peaks, foreigners just never can play like that.
Oooo yeah i member!!!
Member all those retired legends???
Honestly, I blame Die4Ever for not making HYPE-o-meter this year!
+ Show Spoiler +@ Die4Ever: jk, you are awesome
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I don't know why people didn't appreciate non-korean players' play..
I just followed sc2 scene since 2015.. and comparing of 2015 and 2016 plays, I think some non-korean actually produced great storyline, tactics, mindgames, and interesting styles
Koreans got similar playstyles so it is boring to see all korean vs korean in Blisscon
Adding foreigners' unique style actually make this blisscon more hyped than in 2015
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