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On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:31 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:29 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:26 Xamo wrote:
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PvZ was way better in HotS IMO
Pretty much every matchup got worse in LotV, and yet all the personalities say that SC2 is the best it's ever been. Makes me wonder how much money these guys are begin paid off by Blizzard to not give their real opinions. it's all a conspiracy, it's impossible that your opinion isn't the universal truth! Blizzcon LR threads make me lose faith in the future of this planet Is it really a coincidence that viewership is at an all-time low, the community has never been more toxic about balance and design, and that sponsors are leaving the scene in droves? Does this sound like the best SC2 has ever been? don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain?  http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration.
So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead?
The game is fairly old, not free to play, quite a few people still play past installments as well. Of course I'd rather EVERYBODY play Sc2 1v1, but 75k active people is pretty fucking good, in my opinion.
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On November 05 2016 08:45 GumBa wrote:
Best thing about this blizzcon so far is Neeb getting a reality check.
I don't think neeb needed a reality check. His fans needed one though. And all the FOREIGN HOPE HYPE people.
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France12907 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:44 Olli wrote:
Zest 4-1'd ByuN less than a month ago. He's the best PvTer on planet earth, while ByuN just lost to Showtime.
What on earth makes you say ByuN "DEMOLISHES those protosses"?
Pretty sure Zest 2-0ed then 2-1ed (or the other way around) which REALLY isn't the same as 4-1'ing him. You know, maps and BO dynamics and stuff?
And you can't really assess how good ShoWTimE PvT is compared to Zest. He used to be the best PvTer no doubt, but right now?
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It's time for the Statsman
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Fb47hBv.jpg)
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On November 05 2016 08:42 GumBa wrote:
You notice apollo isn't as "hyped" cause there are too many koreans.
I stopped caring about Apollo when he stopped casting.
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On November 05 2016 08:46 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:44 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:43 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Elentos wrote:
Now excuse me while I go book a flight to hunt down Artosis. He doesn't do it on purpose I think Listen. With great power comes great responsibility. Artosis is responsible for the effects of the curse, whether it's intentional or not. maybe his parents and uncle died as well, be gentle He should have gone through super hero training, end of discussion.
but.. maybe.. the curse is actually saving the earht
Nah, just kidding go get 'm
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United States97276 Posts
I actually like PvP these days so I think this will be a pretty good matchup
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France12907 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:46 dNa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:45 GumBa wrote:
Best thing about this blizzcon so far is Neeb getting a reality check. I don't think neeb needed a reality check. His fans needed one though. And all the FOREIGN HOPE HYPE people.
This. It probably put a lot of pressure on him, especially being the only relevant US player in years, so he won't have as much pressure to perform next time, and will keep growing stronger and stronger. He's still young with a lot of potential, but he sure hasn't figured PvZ (PvT?) as much as PvP indeed.
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On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:31 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:29 Solar424 wrote:
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Pretty much every matchup got worse in LotV, and yet all the personalities say that SC2 is the best it's ever been. Makes me wonder how much money these guys are begin paid off by Blizzard to not give their real opinions. it's all a conspiracy, it's impossible that your opinion isn't the universal truth! Blizzcon LR threads make me lose faith in the future of this planet Is it really a coincidence that viewership is at an all-time low, the community has never been more toxic about balance and design, and that sponsors are leaving the scene in droves? Does this sound like the best SC2 has ever been? don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain? http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead?
Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though.
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I'm sorry Zest. Stats is my boy tonight. GO STATS !
On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:31 Ej_ wrote:
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it's all a conspiracy, it's impossible that your opinion isn't the universal truth!
Blizzcon LR threads make me lose faith in the future of this planet Is it really a coincidence that viewership is at an all-time low, the community has never been more toxic about balance and design, and that sponsors are leaving the scene in droves? Does this sound like the best SC2 has ever been? don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain? http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though.
Compare with something similar. Does greygoo have 75K players ? Or 8bits army ? The only RTS that might have more player would be BW. (and i'm not even sure about that)
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Poll: Who will win?Stats (6) 60% Zest (4) 40% 10 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): Stats
(Vote): Zest
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On November 05 2016 08:48 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:46 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:44 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:43 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Elentos wrote:
Now excuse me while I go book a flight to hunt down Artosis. He doesn't do it on purpose I think Listen. With great power comes great responsibility. Artosis is responsible for the effects of the curse, whether it's intentional or not. maybe his parents and uncle died as well, be gentle He should have gone through super hero training, end of discussion. but.. maybe.. the curse is actually saving the earht Nah, just kidding go get 'm
Oh god that's gonna be it isn't? Just as I'm about to take vengeance for all those claimed by the curse, Artosis will pull out a sheet that proves the curse is actually keeping the fabric of space and time intact.
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football
it's neeb and football
ffs
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Foreigners have taken 0 maps of koreans at blizzcon thus far.
Will probably stay so unless Dark chokes against Elazer and drops a map.
Exciting tournament :D
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Austria24422 Posts
On November 05 2016 08:46 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:44 Olli wrote:
Zest 4-1'd ByuN less than a month ago. He's the best PvTer on planet earth, while ByuN just lost to Showtime.
What on earth makes you say ByuN "DEMOLISHES those protosses"? Pretty sure Zest 2-0ed then 2-1ed (or the other way around) which REALLY isn't the same as 4-1'ing him. You know, maps and BO dynamics and stuff? And you can't really assess how good ShoWTimE PvT is compared to Zest. He used to be the best PvTer no doubt, but right now?
Right now he just beat ByuN 2-0 and 2-1. And that's when he wasn't in great form. He's looked a lot better at this tournament already.
There's no reason to believe his chances have gotten worse, and he won both their last matches.
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On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:31 Ej_ wrote:
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it's all a conspiracy, it's impossible that your opinion isn't the universal truth!
Blizzcon LR threads make me lose faith in the future of this planet Is it really a coincidence that viewership is at an all-time low, the community has never been more toxic about balance and design, and that sponsors are leaving the scene in droves? Does this sound like the best SC2 has ever been? don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain? http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though.
Like top free to play games? Brand new shooters, Overwatch? Of course less people play the game than at launch, but 75k playing JUST the 1v1 is still a metric fuckton. It does not affect MY ability to play the game whatsoever. I've been having way more fun playing the game now than in the past as well.
Also, when you compare the active 1v1 player base to stream views major tournaments get it is simply fantastic. Stop concerning yourself with things beyond your control. Just play the game and have fun.
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On November 05 2016 08:49 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:48 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:46 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:44 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:43 Elentos wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 Penev wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Elentos wrote:
Now excuse me while I go book a flight to hunt down Artosis. He doesn't do it on purpose I think Listen. With great power comes great responsibility. Artosis is responsible for the effects of the curse, whether it's intentional or not. maybe his parents and uncle died as well, be gentle He should have gone through super hero training, end of discussion. but.. maybe.. the curse is actually saving the earht Nah, just kidding go get 'm Oh god that's gonna be it isn't? Just as I'm about to take vengeance for all those claimed by the curse, Artosis will pull out a sheet that proves the curse is actually keeping the fabric of space and time intact.
Maybe first contact nestea before you do anything
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On November 05 2016 08:49 Penev wrote:
football
it's neeb and football
ffs
EU master race understands both, NA plebians get confused by the word football. They seem to associate it with a sport based around touching the ball with their hands and arms.
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On November 05 2016 08:48 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:46 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:42 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:41 True_Spike wrote:On November 05 2016 08:40 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:35 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:34 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Ej_ wrote:On November 05 2016 08:33 Solar424 wrote:On November 05 2016 08:31 Ej_ wrote:
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it's all a conspiracy, it's impossible that your opinion isn't the universal truth!
Blizzcon LR threads make me lose faith in the future of this planet Is it really a coincidence that viewership is at an all-time low, the community has never been more toxic about balance and design, and that sponsors are leaving the scene in droves? Does this sound like the best SC2 has ever been? don't mistake corelation for causation So what would you say is causing all of this, if SC2 really is the best it's ever been? the game's viewership has been steadily declining since the release, Overwatch was the nail to the coffin of the game in Korea, matchfixing scandal last year didn't really help That still doesn't explain why ladder is deader than ever and that the community is extremely upset with how Blizzard has handled the game How is the ladder dead? Do you even play the game yourself or do you just complain? http://www.rankedftw.com/stats/population/1v1/#v=2&r=-2&sx=a&sy=gAnd I would play the game if Blizzard acutally made it rewarding to play. As of now I don't feel any satisfaction playing SC2, only frustration. So 75 thousand people actively playing 1v1 means SC is dead? Not dead, just not the best it's ever been. Compared to other games it's pretty dead though.
obviously there's not going to be as many players as in other games that are easier to get into. Most scrubs just say it's so frustrating and not very rewarding and move on to other games. But gameplay of LotV is so much better than HotS and WoL. There's a lot of people saying this. Obviously it's a matter of taste but I'm sure most people are pretty happy overall with how LotV turned out.
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