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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
October 29 2016 16:43 GMT
#241
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.


Half of the maps or so are the same as when ByuN beat Dark in GSL ro16
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
October 29 2016 16:43 GMT
#242
those blizz ads are very informative.

I didnt even remember heroes of the storm.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 29 2016 16:43 GMT
#243
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

frost is even at best and dasan is considred to be terran favored
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:44:07
October 29 2016 16:43 GMT
#244
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.


Dasan station I'd give to Zerg just because ByuN and TY are unlikely to cheese. Which is the only way to win i on that map as terran
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2016 16:43 GMT
#245
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 29 2016 16:44 GMT
#246
Time to change SGTK's signature
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 29 2016 16:44 GMT
#247
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
mCon.Hephaistas
Profile Joined May 2014
Netherlands891 Posts
October 29 2016 16:44 GMT
#248
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.


Frost is only Zerg favored when cross really.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
October 29 2016 16:44 GMT
#249
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg? Even? Nope.

Also it's not like Dark cares about spawns on Frost, he just wins anyways.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 29 2016 16:45 GMT
#250
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Gettysburg is even I think.


Ha
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
October 29 2016 16:46 GMT
#251
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.


Gettysburg is the worst tvz map, then apotheosis
Frost 2/3
KSS, Dasan are t favored

galactic and frozen temple not sure, kinda depends on playstyle but probably t favored?
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2016 16:46 GMT
#252
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.

Hm, maybe I just don't know how to play the map then. Always seems good for T for me with the islands and split map potential. Not a great standard bio map of course.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:49:27
October 29 2016 16:47 GMT
#253
Map winrates for TvZ:

Apotheosis - 37.5%
Gettysburg - 42%
Dasan - 46.8%
Frost - 48.7%
Galactic - 49.7%
Frozen - 55.8%
Sejong - 60.6%
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:48:26
October 29 2016 16:48 GMT
#254
On October 30 2016 01:46 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.


Gettysburg is the worst tvz map, then apotheosis
Frost 2/3
KSS, Dasan are t favored

galactic and frozen temple not sure, kinda depends on playstyle but probably t favored?

Maybe is misjudged, but I won't believe that Gettys is worse than Apo.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:50:00
October 29 2016 16:49 GMT
#255
On October 30 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:46 ArtyK wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.


Gettysburg is the worst tvz map, then apotheosis
Frost 2/3
KSS, Dasan are t favored

galactic and frozen temple not sure, kinda depends on playstyle but probably t favored?

Maybe is misjudged, but I won't believe that Gettys is worse than Apo.


PvZ apotheosis is worse but gettysburg bio TvZ is worse imo

I guess the winrates above have the answer, although with KSS as the best TvZ map and frost being random it makes for a relatively even map pool tvz?
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2016 16:49 GMT
#256
On October 30 2016 01:49 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:46 ArtyK wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.


Gettysburg is the worst tvz map, then apotheosis
Frost 2/3
KSS, Dasan are t favored

galactic and frozen temple not sure, kinda depends on playstyle but probably t favored?

Maybe is misjudged, but I won't believe that Gettys is worse than Apo.


PvZ apotheosis is worse but gettysburg bio TvZ is worse imo

Yeah, bio I agree, I don't think you should play bio on Gettysburg. My ladder opponents seem to agree .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
October 29 2016 16:50 GMT
#257
On October 30 2016 01:49 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2016 01:49 ArtyK wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:48 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:46 ArtyK wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:44 Ej_ wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:43 Musicus wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:42 Elentos wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 30 2016 01:39 Fango wrote:
I fail to see how Dark can lose to anyone right now with the current map pool. Even TY or ByuN I can't see it

Most zergs tend to say the current pool is Terran favored though

Gettysburg, Apotheosis & Frost vs King Sejong, Frozen Temple and Galactic Process

With Dasan Station being the wildcard.

Frost is terran favoured 2 out 3 times. Gettysburg is even I think.

Gettysburg is definitely not even, even with TY stealing free wins with mech.


Gettysburg is the worst tvz map, then apotheosis
Frost 2/3
KSS, Dasan are t favored

galactic and frozen temple not sure, kinda depends on playstyle but probably t favored?

Maybe is misjudged, but I won't believe that Gettys is worse than Apo.


PvZ apotheosis is worse but gettysburg bio TvZ is worse imo

Yeah, bio I agree, I don't think you should play bio on Gettysburg. My ladder opponents seem to agree .


Yeah exactly, so you play mech and lose like TY, that's why it think it's worse
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:51:12
October 29 2016 16:50 GMT
#258
Basically as Terran you wanna play Frozen, Sejong, and mayybe galactic if you have the skill. So if Zerg vetoes any of them GG
I say that but ByuN and Ty are the best of the best
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-29 16:52:22
October 29 2016 16:51 GMT
#259
On October 30 2016 01:47 Elentos wrote:
Map winrates for TvZ:

Apotheosis - 37.5%
Gettysburg - 42%
Dasan - 46.8%
Frost - 48.7%
Galactic - 49.7%
Frozen - 55.8%
Sejong - 60.6%


Interesting, how many games on Dasan though? I don't think zergs like to play it vs T at all.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
October 29 2016 16:51 GMT
#260
On October 30 2016 01:50 Fango wrote:
Basically as Terran you wanna play Frozen, Sejong, and mayybe galactic if you have the skill. So if Zerg vetoes any of them GG
I say that but ByuN and Ty are the best of the best


Well you can veto apotheosis and gettysburg too, unless you're stats...
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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