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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1661
Maybe there should be some more matches so we get the 5th place as well, etc
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1662
On September 12 2016 07:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:18 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included

On September 12 2016 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
third place matches are simply a terrible idea, nobody enjoys that


With a Bo5 and no double elimination, it would be impossible to determine a 3rd place winner.

you only have one winner

does 3rd place not win a prize?

it's called "semifinalist"

if you're going to play semantics, a semi-finalist is someone that makes it to the semi-finals of a tournament. in a single elimination, that makes the 3rd and 4th place finishers semi-finalists.

im not sure what your point is, but you're not making your case for not having a 3rd place match in a single-elimination tournament.

what about 5th 6th 7th etc?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1663
On September 12 2016 07:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:18 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included

On September 12 2016 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
third place matches are simply a terrible idea, nobody enjoys that


With a Bo5 and no double elimination, it would be impossible to determine a 3rd place winner.

you only have one winner

does 3rd place not win a prize?

it's called "semifinalist"

if you're going to play semantics, a semi-finalist is someone that makes it to the semi-finals of a tournament. in a single elimination, that makes the 3rd and 4th place finishers semi-finalists.

im not sure what your point is, but you're not making your case for not having a 3rd place match in a single-elimination tournament.

there's no 3rd place if you don't play a 3rd place match. that person is a semi-finalist.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1664
On September 12 2016 07:20 Ej_ wrote:
3rd place matches are boring because nobody cares about them, players includd

Or just the other one does.
why even
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1665
On September 12 2016 07:23 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 Ej_ wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:18 BluemoonSC wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
[quote]

It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included

On September 12 2016 07:18 The_Red_Viper wrote:
third place matches are simply a terrible idea, nobody enjoys that


With a Bo5 and no double elimination, it would be impossible to determine a 3rd place winner.

you only have one winner

does 3rd place not win a prize?

it's called "semifinalist"

if you're going to play semantics, a semi-finalist is someone that makes it to the semi-finals of a tournament. in a single elimination, that makes the 3rd and 4th place finishers semi-finalists.

im not sure what your point is, but you're not making your case for not having a 3rd place match in a single-elimination tournament.

what about 5th 6th 7th etc?

need quadraple elimination bracket
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9448 Posts
September 11 2016 22:23 GMT
#1666
On September 12 2016 07:21 VHbb wrote:
It's always nice to see a pro post in one of these threads, and the TL community trying to coach him (or just criticizing him, since that's what is *cool*)



So when a pro who is bad in a matchup plays a style that no other better pro's use and fails at it, do you think that's optimal? Do you think other pro's would tell uthermal do continue sieging liberators poorly while not building medivacs?
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
September 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#1667
On September 12 2016 07:22 uThermal wrote:
I'm not used to playing with liberators but I thought they were my only option, bio doesnt seem to trade well enough against adepts, think I played pretty well against Neeb, definitely played bad against showtime though


It's ok, you're still top 3 terran control EU
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 11 2016 22:24 GMT
#1668
On September 12 2016 07:22 uThermal wrote:
I'm not used to playing with liberators but I thought they were my only option, bio doesnt seem to trade well enough against adepts, think I played pretty well against Neeb, definitely played bad against showtime though

I think remaking medivacs could have saved you two out of those 3 games.

And I think the only way you beat what Neeb did on Dasan is vetoing the map.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-11 22:26:05
September 11 2016 22:25 GMT
#1669
On September 12 2016 07:22 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included


so the same amount of money/pts fot 3 and 4 in every tourney? thats boring seems so


or logical, some might say


sure it's very logical to play single elim tourneys all years long


it has nothing to do with single elimination, do you want a 5th place match too?


isn't that logical to have a third place match in single elim bracket with cash/pts difference? only 3rd cause gold, silver and bronze aspect like olympic games for example
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
September 11 2016 22:26 GMT
#1670
On September 12 2016 07:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included


so the same amount of money/pts fot 3 and 4 in every tourney? thats boring seems so


or logical, some might say


sure it's very logical to play single elim tourneys all years long


it has nothing to do with single elimination, do you want a 5th place match too?


isn't that logical to have a third place match in single elim bracket with cash/pts difference? only 3rd cause gold, silver and bronze aspect like olympic games for example

it's not logic it's preference, I prefer no 3rd place match
I Protoss winner, could it be?
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 11 2016 22:26 GMT
#1671
On September 12 2016 07:23 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:21 VHbb wrote:
It's always nice to see a pro post in one of these threads, and the TL community trying to coach him (or just criticizing him, since that's what is *cool*)



So when a pro who is bad in a matchup plays a style that no other better pro's use and fails at it, do you think that's optimal? Do you think other pro's would tell uthermal do continue sieging liberators poorly while not building medivacs?


I think uThermal is a better judge than you or most of non-pros when it comes to how he played (I also didn't write "optimal" anywhere in my post..)

But don't bother answering, these threads are big list of snarky comments and the same users (you could cite them one by one) posting over and over trying to feel the *coolest* among them (generally by complaining about: balance, level of the games, wcs system, casters, anything really) so I'm in the wrong for expecting something better
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
September 11 2016 22:27 GMT
#1672
On September 12 2016 07:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included


so the same amount of money/pts fot 3 and 4 in every tourney? thats boring seems so


or logical, some might say


sure it's very logical to play single elim tourneys all years long


it has nothing to do with single elimination, do you want a 5th place match too?


isn't that logical to have a third place match in single elim bracket with cash/pts difference? only 3rd cause gold, silver and bronze aspect like olympic games for example


Olympic games is just tradition, doesn't make it good
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
September 11 2016 22:27 GMT
#1673
Yeah you can totally kill the Ursadon for the achievement in a custom game.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
September 11 2016 22:27 GMT
#1674
On September 12 2016 07:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included


so the same amount of money/pts fot 3 and 4 in every tourney? thats boring seems so


or logical, some might say


sure it's very logical to play single elim tourneys all years long


it has nothing to do with single elimination, do you want a 5th place match too?


isn't that logical to have a third place match in single elim bracket with cash/pts difference? only 3rd cause gold, silver and bronze aspect like olympic games for example

no it's not logical just because it's done at the olympics.
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Biscuittzz
Profile Joined July 2016
155 Posts
September 11 2016 22:27 GMT
#1675
Yea, has anyone ever seen the third place game in the world cup?

The teams look like they don't want to be there. As the saying goes, if you're not first you're last.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#1676
On September 12 2016 07:26 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:23 Hider wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:21 VHbb wrote:
It's always nice to see a pro post in one of these threads, and the TL community trying to coach him (or just criticizing him, since that's what is *cool*)



So when a pro who is bad in a matchup plays a style that no other better pro's use and fails at it, do you think that's optimal? Do you think other pro's would tell uthermal do continue sieging liberators poorly while not building medivacs?


I think uThermal is a better judge than you or most of non-pros when it comes to how he played (I also didn't write "optimal" anywhere in my post..)

But don't bother answering, these threads are big list of snarky comments and the same users (you could cite them one by one) posting over and over trying to feel the *coolest* among them (generally by complaining about: balance, level of the games, wcs system, casters, anything really) so I'm in the wrong for expecting something better

Where do i stand on that list of coolest complainers? I feel pretty cool tbh
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#1677
On September 12 2016 07:25 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:22 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:20 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:19 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:17 ArtyK wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:13 Penev wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:11 Fango wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:09 Penev wrote:
A BO5 for a 3rd place match? argh


It's a bo5 for $2K, nothing wrong with it really it just delays the hype for the final

I don't like 3rd place matches plus it's getting late here


3rd place match is a way to show ur professionalism in every sports I belive, here is the same way


It's also stupid in most esport games sc2 included


so the same amount of money/pts fot 3 and 4 in every tourney? thats boring seems so


or logical, some might say


sure it's very logical to play single elim tourneys all years long


it has nothing to do with single elimination, do you want a 5th place match too?


isn't that logical to have a third place match in single elim bracket with cash/pts difference? only 3rd cause gold, silver and bronze aspect like olympic games for example


There is only points/cash difference, because someone thinks its a good Idea. The next guy thinks 5th place should be a thing and we see small semis and even smaller final for 5th place which got a point/cash difference.

Alot of sports dont use this, pretty much every single eliminiation bracket in football outside of the world and continental cups for example dont care about it.

I dont know a Starcraft player who would rather split the extra money of the 3rd place for both semi final exiters instead of playing another meaningles game for it.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#1678
On September 12 2016 07:27 Elentos wrote:
Yeah you can totally kill the Ursadon for the achievement in a custom game.

I can't believe you actually checked that.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#1679
On September 12 2016 07:24 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:22 uThermal wrote:
I'm not used to playing with liberators but I thought they were my only option, bio doesnt seem to trade well enough against adepts, think I played pretty well against Neeb, definitely played bad against showtime though


It's ok, you're still top 3 terran control EU

Imo, it's hard to look good with liberators, like it's very hard to even look "decent" with them even when you are controlling them well. Easier to look good with bio control without it being necessarily harder to perform.
WriterMaru
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
September 11 2016 22:28 GMT
#1680
On September 12 2016 07:26 VHbb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2016 07:23 Hider wrote:
On September 12 2016 07:21 VHbb wrote:
It's always nice to see a pro post in one of these threads, and the TL community trying to coach him (or just criticizing him, since that's what is *cool*)



So when a pro who is bad in a matchup plays a style that no other better pro's use and fails at it, do you think that's optimal? Do you think other pro's would tell uthermal do continue sieging liberators poorly while not building medivacs?


I think uThermal is a better judge than you or most of non-pros when it comes to how he played (I also didn't write "optimal" anywhere in my post..)

But don't bother answering, these threads are big list of snarky comments and the same users (you could cite them one by one) posting over and over trying to feel the *coolest* among them (generally by complaining about: balance, level of the games, wcs system, casters, anything really) so I'm in the wrong for expecting something better


But that's what those threads are for! Ask Nerchio
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
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