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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:35 EatingBomber wrote: You cant deny that it is very easy to hate the guy, poor Patience He also seems like a realy nice guy but he just always manage to make it look like he win by accident. | ||
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:34 Isualin wrote: Where can i find the list of players with chance of going to blizzcon, and their current points? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2016_WCS | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:35 EatingBomber wrote: You cant deny that it is very easy to hate the guy, poor Patience ??? he's just the fresh new boy trying to beat the old guys, why hate him? | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:39 Gwavajuice wrote: ??? he's just the fresh new boy trying to beat the old guys, why hate him? He helped ruin my liquibets KT did most of that tho | ||
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Elentos
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:40 Penev wrote: He helped ruin my liquibets KT did most of that tho And you ruined everyone else's Liquibets. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
(Team-less here being outside Korean team-house, since foreigner teams don't really count  ) | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:43 Elentos wrote: And you ruined everyone else's Liquibets. I did You see me apologize often but I don't really mean it | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:44 RKC wrote: Hasn't Rain proven that one could win team-less? (Team-less here being outside Korean team-house, since foreigner teams don't really count )He still had easy access to high level practice partners and spent a lot of time in the KT house. When he won GSL his main practice partners for Terran were Fantasy and Flash and his main practice partner for Zerg was Solar. On September 02 2016 20:44 Penev wrote: I did You see me apologize often but I don't really mean it As it should be. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:45 Elentos wrote: He still had easy access to high level practice partners and spent a lot of time in the KT house. He did? Wow seems like Flash love > SKT love! | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
I always thought HerO could do much better if in a strict training regiment while Taeja would probably do worse just looking at the Liquid guys alone But all of these guys were brought up in the Korean system, it's like riding a bike, you don't unlearn it | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:48 RKC wrote: He did? Wow seems like Flash love > SKT love! I remember one time Flash was streaming and Rain, Zest and TY just pulled up chairs behind him to watch. And then they started distracting him until he lost.  | ||
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Aeromi
France14462 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:50 Elentos wrote: I remember one time Flash was streaming and Rain, Zest and TY just pulled up chairs behind him to watch. And then they started distracting him until he lost. It's because they are friends. Do you have a source for Rain telling he's practicing with KT players and Solar? I don't remind any interview about him telling this~ | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:50 Penev wrote: Being able to perform while not being in a (KeSPA) team house probably differs from person to person I always thought HerO could do much better if in a strict training regiment while Taeja would probably do worse just looking at the Liquid guys alone But all of these guys were brought up in the Korean system, it's like riding a bike, you don't unlearn it Yeah, I feel so too. Motivational drives and practice habits differ from individuals. Hence Byun is evidence that one can even succeed without a Korean team-house (though it probably works for >50% players). Hence why I don't quite buy the arguments in the uThermal thread that Koreans have an insurmountable advantage due to the team-house infrastructure. Reminds me of the story about Bisu going to Thailand before the MSL finals versus Savior - was that really true? | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:57 Aeromi wrote: It's because they are friends. Do you have a source for Rain telling he's practicing with KT players and Solar? I don't remind any interview about him telling this~ IIRC after he beat Maru in his GSL winning run he said to Gyuri he was practicing for the match with Flash and Fantasy and that they had handled his builds much better (I think that's when it was, not sure). And the season afterwards, in the Ro16 group selection Stork told Rain to do Solar a favor and make the switch he wanted because Solar helped him win the GSL finals. On September 02 2016 20:50 Penev wrote: Being able to perform while not being in a (KeSPA) team house probably differs from person to person I always thought HerO could do much better if in a strict training regiment while Taeja would probably do worse just looking at the Liquid guys alone But all of these guys were brought up in the Korean system, it's like riding a bike, you don't unlearn it Yeah I agree it depends on the players. I think some guys need to get told to practice their asses off so they actually do something with themselves, and when they leave they get kinda lazy and fall off. And others need their freedom to do their best. And then there's PartinG. Who looked amazing on his Proleague team, then looked like his shackles came off after he joined a foreign team, and is now gone completely. Pretty much. | ||
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Daswollvieh
5553 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:50 Penev wrote: Being able to perform while not being in a (KeSPA) team house probably differs from person to person I always thought HerO could do much better if in a strict training regiment while Taeja would probably do worse just looking at the Liquid guys alone But all of these guys were brought up in the Korean system, it's like riding a bike, you don't unlearn it Yeah that was the fallacy back then. Whenever you have a system that is adhered to by the successful it is automatically linked to the success until proven otherwise. Plus toughness often has a strong appeal to viewers storywise. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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RKC
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:58 RKC wrote: Yeah, I feel so too. Motivational drives and practice habits differ from individuals. Hence Byun is evidence that one can even succeed without a Korean team-house (though it probably works for >50% players). Hence why I don't quite buy the arguments in the uThermal thread that Koreans have an insurmountable advantage due to the team-house infrastructure. Reminds me of the story about Bisu going to Thailand before the MSL finals versus Savior - was that really true? The advantage Koreans have is the know how that came from 2 decades of an organized professional approach to esports If you watch K1 kick boxing you'll notice almost all the champions either are Dutch or train(ed) in the Netherlands. This is because someone started a school decades ago, became successful, prompted other schools to be founded etc. It just has to happen somewhere and this one happened in Korea. It does help Korea has a bit of an overachievement culture as well but it's not necessary | ||
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