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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:18 Shellshock wrote: what a pleasant surprise to wake up to. thought for sure byun as going to choke today but glad to be wrong  Dear is much more likely to derp than it is for Byun to choke But seriously, Byun played well | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:20 Penev wrote: Dear is much more likely to derp than it is for Byun to choke But seriously, Byun played well Also Penev bet on Dear so poor Dear never had a chance. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:21 Elentos wrote: Also Penev bet on Dear so poor Dear never had a chance. This is true It sounds like the Shellbot is immune to my powers tho Hmm, if he was sure of the choke he really isn't now I think of it | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:26 Shellshock wrote: I liquibetted Dear. It was one of those head: Dear, heart: Byun so im not mad about it I am sorry I swear About the bet I mean Not that you're not mad Probably | ||
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FacelessScandinavian
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Elentos
55593 Posts
I'm not convinced. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
Of course you are Here, my face: ![[image loading]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/29/0d/b4/290db4f40b2ba30556700fbe0bbf952a.jpg) | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Do you have a cat face and a human body or what? | ||
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Silvana
3713 Posts
I was rooting for Dear but seeing ByuN so happy made me happy too | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:35 Phredxor wrote: Do you have a cat face and a human body or what? I'm the anti sphinx | ||
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IMPrime
United States715 Posts
In gmae 1 he did choose a bad time to drop, but the issue with new gettysburg in tvp is that you can really only do harass damage to the main (it is so inefficient to try and harass the expos) and so dear could just stockpile a bunch of pylons in the main and the drop did almost no damage. He would've lost the game even if dear didn't attack him at that moment. The drop would've done nothing and then dear would be like "lolz he just threw away 3 medivacs for nothing guess I can kill him now". King sejong station had no drop play (it was cloaked banshees and then he just pushed and won) but it is a much better map for drop play because the main is very wide open. The nat can be hard to do damage if the toss is paying attention (usually you come behind the minerals so they'll have pylons there already) but the main is too wide open to cover with pylons (tosses have to build their early pylons by their mineral lines so they don't instantly lose to a liberator rush) and you can safely drop your bio out of range of a PO, sometimes out of sight. That's probably why stargate openings seem to be so popular on KSS, because you need to be able to chase down the medivacs and stop the harass (blink stalkers can stop the harass too but it's hard to harass with blink stalkers unless you're going striaght up for a timing attack). It's also why I think the banshee opening was so good. Rushing stargate does allow you to make oracles, but oracles can't attack air and you can tag a banshee, but the 2nd banshee can be really hard to stop without making a second oracle. And if you open phoenix first then your detection is delayed further. If the harass does enough damage then you have a good timing to kill the toss if he makes a 3rd, since stargate tech isn't that good at killing marines (if the toss instead stays on 2 base for awhile you can bunker up and turtle, you have the better tech). Dusk towers is similar to new gettysburg; it's very hard to deal damage to tosses because the nat and 3rd are very close together, and there's not a lot of space in the main to sneak a drop in, as putting a few pylons by the mineral line can also reach almost everywhere that the terran can drop the bio. Usually it's a battle of killing the 4th over and over and starving the toss out. And we saw what happened on frozen temple. The nat can be hard to do damage to, but if you can get to the 3rd early before pylons are up and the toss doesn't open with stargate or blink, you can bounce between the main and nat, because the main is fairly large and it's difficult to cover the entire main with pylons. He kept sniping pylons at the 3rd so dear could never PO and then stayed out of range of any pylons in the main. Frost is hard to say because the spawn positions do affect how the matchup plays out slightly as well as which base the toss takes for his 3rd. If the toss takes the 3rd in the middle of the map it looks like going tanks is correct as the ledges are really good for tankivac. I think if dear instead took the 3rd at the top (with the higher ground ledge nearby). I think byun would have tried more drop play and bounce between the 3rd and main again. Byun did kind of win that game because of the lucky widow mine taking out the warp prism, as well as dear taking a bad engagement under liberation zones. The other thing that interested me about Byun was his bio composition. he seemed to be more marauder heavy than your usual terrans. Adepts don't do any damage to marauders (even though marauders don't do much damage to adepts in return) but you can wipe out stalkers really easily, and you can also focus down immortals if you have enough. Going marauder heavy and killing most of the stalkers also means that liberators get free reign too, though he never really made more than 3-4 other than the dusk tower game since that one went long. He also made a good number of widow mines every game, moreso than other terrans I've seen. If you can snipe the observer in the fight, the widow mines basically force the toss to retreat. The only game he was more marine heavy IIRC was the king sejong station game where dear committed to a lot of phoenixes so he just massed marines. I always thought that terrans should try more marauder-heavy compositions because marines die so damn quickly to adepts, but I thought that the marauders' low DPS to adepts would make the build not work. Looks like it might have some merit if you focus down all the non-adept stuff on the ground first (you saw multiple times where he just ran past the adepts to snipe stuff down because adept DPS to marauder is also really bad). Of course behind his impeccable micro he also macro'd like a god, so this is no way as easy as it sounds. We'll also see if sos can find any holes in byun's builds. sos is definitely very tricky and smart. Byun didn't really scout dear a whole lot, it seems like he just knew what dear was gonna do. sos is unpredictable though so we'll see what happens. | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
The mythical Xnihps? Praise be! | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
you should have spelled it wrong phrexdor would have | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On September 02 2016 21:40 Penev wrote: you should have spelled it wrong phrexdor would have Some people just don't understand how the english language works. | ||
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
On September 02 2016 20:06 MLuneth wrote: Noonius you need to be careful now,. tasteless is coming for you What? I'm at work, couldn't watch But huzzah for terran | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On September 02 2016 22:10 Noonius wrote: What? I'm at work, couldn't watch But huzzah for terran https://www.twitch.tv/gsl/v/87110806?t=02h02m00s | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
I DIED. | ||
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