EPTSo happy to see Idra's ghosts pop up on TL to declare SC2 dead
[GSL] Code S Season 2 2016 - Round of 8 Day 1 - Page 24
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nick00bot
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So happy to see Idra's ghosts pop up on TL to declare SC2 dead | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 24 2016 21:33 las91 wrote: pvp has always been a shitty matchup to watch and a shittier one to play I've always seen this match up as a well deserved punishment for protoss players. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On August 24 2016 23:35 nojok wrote: I've always seen this match up as a well deserved punishment for protoss players. come on man we were the worst race for the first year of the game AND we had to deal with 4gate  | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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DSK
England1110 Posts
After a pretty crap day at work, this really made me chuckle. Thank you  OT: I'm disappointed GuMigod lost to Myungsik; but now it seems that his success recently isn't just because of the stupid gun (that or he's learned to wield it for maximum effect) | ||
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slit
Spain212 Posts
On August 25 2016 03:23 DSK wrote: After a pretty crap day at work, this really made me chuckle. Thank you Glad to make you smile then | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17744 Posts
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Topin
Peru10124 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Which is (imo) a trend these days, meh | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
JIN AIR GREEN WINGS #yearof$O$ | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
- Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks (Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.) | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On August 25 2016 12:13 RKC wrote: Personally, I'm pleased Myungsik won: - Gumiho is a gimmicky player playing a race that does not need to rely on gimmicks to win - Gumiho knocked out Classic (one of the more well-balanced Protoss player who mixes gimmicky and standard plays well, and who had been in the running for double Starleagues) - Myungsik, although gimmicky, plays a race that by nature relies heavily on gimmicks (Yes, I'm not a fan of Gumiho. The main reason why he's on the rise, I feel, is due to the current LoTV meta favouring abusive gimmicky plays. Entertaining and innovative he may be, but a top Terran he is not.) "I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss" What? | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 25 2016 19:50 Elentos wrote: "I don't like GuMiho because he's gimmicky. MyuNgSiK is also gimmicky but that's okay because he's Protoss" What? It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho). Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths. Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic. (Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.) | ||
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On August 25 2016 21:50 RKC wrote: It's very simple. Let me use a footballing analogy. On one side, there is a less skilful team like Italy that has to rely more on physicality, tactical fouls and the occasional dirty plays to win (Protoss). On the other side, there is a team brimming with talent and skills like Brazil (Terran), and yet the coach decides to play the team using the style of a Protoss (Gumiho). Italy and Brazil are both capable of winning the World Cup, provided they play according to their strengths. Not a very exact equivalent, but that's the rough logic. (Afterthought: Maybe I got the countries-race in reverse order, since Brazil-Protoss has been winning more tourneys.) Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that. Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 25 2016 22:09 Elentos wrote: Every player has to play to their own strengths as well as the strengths of their race. That's what both GuMiho and MyuNgSiK are doing. Every Starcraft player is different. There are Protoss players who don't cheese (or "rely on gimmicks") a lot (Zest or Rain from the past come to mind) if at all, and then there is someone like MyuNgSiK who in the eyes of some people only does that. Everyone has to do what works for them to be successful, and I don't see why it's okay if one player does it but not the other just because they play a different race. Not to mention, GuMiho is not a gimmicky player in TvT or TvZ at all, he plays quite standard most of the time, except in TvP. But if you watch other top Terrans recently, you will see a ton of gimmicky shit in TvP, so it's not like GuMiho is actually falling out of the norm there. I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain). Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish. (In general, I feel Profoss is strong early and late game - hence a player can be successful either by being gimmicky ala sOs or solid ala Zest. Whereas Terran is stronger at mid game in most matchups - which is arguably where Maru and Inno shines.) I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has). Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
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Elentos
55593 Posts
On August 25 2016 22:25 RKC wrote: I was just using a simple analogy. Of course, in actual fact, football teams aren't that one-dimensional. Italy has great technical ability too, and can play a patient, positional and defensive game (somewhat like macro Toss ala Zest and Rain). Yes, players should play to their strengths, and pick a race that suits their strengths. In my mind, Gumiho fits more in the Protoss mould. Just as Classic probably realised early on in SC2. Flash? Arguably Protoss would've fit him better too - he can turtle and macro up, and fall back to his early cheesy ways if he wish. I just don't see Gumiho ever becoming a Top Terran and winning tourneys. He probably might not be a champion had he switched to Protoss anyway, but he would've achieved more and gone deeper (as Myungsik and Patience has). Just a random musing I have, don't mean to start a shitstorm. He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game. Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On August 25 2016 22:37 Elentos wrote: He originally played Random professionally and then decided that Terran was the race that played the most to his strengths. Probably because he is one of the best multitaskers in the game. Besides, he's had multiple high tournament finishes in the past and was always a beast in teamleague play. He just never managed to make the final step and win an individual tournament. But I doubt if he picked Protoss back in Wings he would have won GSL in 2012 instead of going out in the semifinals. I didn't watch as much in the early years. But yes, I vaguely recall him having some sick Maru-esque drop plays. Maybe the meta has changed somewhat in LoTV too, favouring stronger Terran early game strats (which Gumiho adapted better than Maru). Still, I feel that Gumiho needs to strengthen up his mid game play to be a serious contender (like TY and Byun), which entails to cutting back on gimmicks. | ||
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