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PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1385 Posts
May 25 2016 15:47 GMT
#241
Raise your pitchforks! someone tried something different, unacceptable! How dare they!

But if it was a succes, people would copy it instantly and rainbows, unicorns everywhere best build ever!
*sigh*
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 25 2016 17:28 GMT
#242
won't have to worry about it being too early for neeb after this series with these 2 playing
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
May 25 2016 17:38 GMT
#243
Theo should just make 11-13 gateways to make sure he can just remax on gateway units after a big fight.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 25 2016 17:44 GMT
#244
So what DO you do against tempest? That felt like it should have stood a chance
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
May 25 2016 17:59 GMT
#245
On May 26 2016 02:44 chipmonklord17 wrote:
So what DO you do against tempest? That felt like it should have stood a chance

Mass thor with SCV on auto-repair?
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
May 25 2016 20:14 GMT
#246
hey just wanna clear things up and warning/headsup. so what tilted me hard yesterday was something very unique. it probably happened in good faith and was a misunderstanding/fuckup but i just want to make clear that it's not okay and basetrade is not at fault.
+ Show Spoiler +
if my information is correct, rifkin was apparently messaged by an important contact with privileges incl. communication to forward a message to the players after the dasan game and ask if we were taking it seriously - something along this nature, in the player chat. this indicates that someone higher-up involved with the tournament expressed concerns regarding our maps/series and intervened in the middle of it to notify players. this type of behavior can have a negative influence on some players and is unprecedented at least to me in online tournaments.

nobody with an authority/organizer/communication privilege to players or casters should interfere with the gameplay of players or suggest them to play or not play a certain way - directly OR indirectly. because you manipulate/fix the match or insult by doing so. uthermal-snute went all the way to game 9, we were taking the series seriously but yesterday an authority decided to use their privilege to make a move in the very middle of a series. uncomfortable for me to witness as a player and greatly reduced my performance.

so just wanted to clear that up. i don't want to have beef with this anonymous authority but one should really think twice before intervening through casters next time: You have to be able to tell the difference between a failed strategy and someone taking their hands off the keyboard before you take action. And on a general basis, being involved with a tournament should not grant you a strategy hotline to the players in the middle of a series. If anything all you end up doing by intervening most of the time like this is ruining the flow of nature and integrity of competition (accidental mild "matchfixing").

in 5+ years of online starcraft i have never had an unknown official working on the tournament questioning performance in the middle of a series through a caster. if authority gameplay intervention might be a thing on the rise i'll speak up against it whenever it happens because it's not okay no matter how good the intentions are. let the players play the way they want even if it means they show the worst series of all time. freedom to play to win in the way you like. if games should play a certain way, use special formats like minimum 4 base and 15 minute no rush, not the golden standard play to win.
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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
May 25 2016 20:43 GMT
#247
On May 26 2016 05:14 Liquid`Snute wrote:
hey just wanna clear things up and warning/headsup. so what tilted me hard yesterday was something very unique. it probably happened in good faith and was a misunderstanding/fuckup but i just want to make clear that it's not okay and basetrade is not at fault.
+ Show Spoiler +
if my information is correct, rifkin was apparently messaged by an important contact with privileges incl. communication to forward a message to the players after the dasan game and ask if we were taking it seriously - something along this nature, in the player chat. this indicates that someone higher-up involved with the tournament expressed concerns regarding our maps/series and intervened in the middle of it to notify players. this type of behavior can have a negative influence on some players and is unprecedented at least to me in online tournaments.

nobody with an authority/organizer/communication privilege to players or casters should interfere with the gameplay of players or suggest them to play or not play a certain way - directly OR indirectly. because you manipulate/fix the match or insult by doing so. uthermal-snute went all the way to game 9, we were taking the series seriously but yesterday an authority decided to use their privilege to make a move in the very middle of a series. uncomfortable for me to witness as a player and greatly reduced my performance.

so just wanted to clear that up. i don't want to have beef with this anonymous authority but one should really think twice before intervening through casters next time: You have to be able to tell the difference between a failed strategy and someone taking their hands off the keyboard before you take action. And on a general basis, being involved with a tournament should not grant you a strategy hotline to the players in the middle of a series. If anything all you end up doing by intervening most of the time like this is ruining the flow of nature and integrity of competition (accidental mild "matchfixing").

in 5+ years of online starcraft i have never had an unknown official working on the tournament questioning performance in the middle of a series through a caster. if authority gameplay intervention might be a thing on the rise i'll speak up against it whenever it happens because it's not okay no matter how good the intentions are. let the players play the way they want even if it means they show the worst series of all time. freedom to play to win in the way you like. if games should play a certain way, use special formats like minimum 4 base and 15 minute no rush, not the golden standard play to win.

It is reasonable to assume that the intervener acted in good faith and out of genuine concern, although it was not the best course of action, and the results were very unfortunate.

Still, not a good precedent. My sympathies to you; getting knocked out of a 4k$ tournament (at least partly) because of a situation mishandled by the organizers / sponsors / whomever is dreadful.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 21:10:52
May 25 2016 21:09 GMT
#248
If whoever it was acted out of genuine concern, perhaps he could use that same genuine concern not to interfere. To me it smacks that whoever it was did not act out of genuine concern for the integrity of the tournament, but wanted another agenda instead. If for instance Naniwa decides to do the same build every game in a premier tournament final and Losira decides to do the same all in, it is overstepping the bounds of decency and respect to the players and integrity of the tournament to forward a message. It is in fact beyond the bounds of whatever authority anybody should have to demand players play or do not play and is extremely disrespectful.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-25 22:34:14
May 25 2016 22:18 GMT
#249
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 25 2016 22:23 GMT
#250
There's a liquipedia page now btw. (Wiki)BaseTradeTV Map Test Tournament
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 26 2016 17:12 GMT
#251
Godchio vs MaNa is live
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 26 2016 17:19 GMT
#252
On May 27 2016 02:12 Ej_ wrote:
Godchio vs MaNa is live


One of my favourite matchups there is, hype!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 26 2016 17:22 GMT
#253
On May 27 2016 02:19 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 02:12 Ej_ wrote:
Godchio vs MaNa is live


One of my favourite matchups there is, hype!

you're a cruel man
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
May 26 2016 17:23 GMT
#254
On May 27 2016 02:22 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2016 02:19 Musicus wrote:
On May 27 2016 02:12 Ej_ wrote:
Godchio vs MaNa is live


One of my favourite matchups there is, hype!

you're a cruel man


I loved Stephano vs Grubby too .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 26 2016 17:23 GMT
#255
lol I love how MaNa got 2 cannons in his natural mineral line before any drop even happened
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-26 17:50:24
May 26 2016 17:49 GMT
#256
ok this series isn't close

e: nvm protossed
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
May 26 2016 18:12 GMT
#257
ok lol.
Author of Coda and Eastwatch.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
May 26 2016 18:35 GMT
#258
King
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
May 26 2016 18:38 GMT
#259
On May 27 2016 03:35 Nerchio wrote:
King


good job, big fan here (poo)
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 26 2016 19:35 GMT
#260
Aiur Plateau is such a great map.
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