On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
Yeah thanks, I know how time works and I'm surrounded by clocks. Of course, I didn't have time to post at 9 so I posted it at 10.
On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
Yeah thanks, I know how time works and I'm surrounded by clocks. Of course, I didn't have time to post at 9 so I posted it at 10.
Oh. I assumed you were one of the millions of people that are confused as fuck by Summertime. Wasn't intended to judge. You even wrote "now"...
On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
Yeah thanks, I know how time works and I'm surrounded by clocks. Of course, I didn't have time to post at 9 so I posted it at 10.
Oh. I assumed you were one of the millions of people that are confused as fuck by Summertime. Wasn't intended to judge. You even wrote "now"...
BURN TIME CHANGES! BURN IT WITH FIRE!! I hate the change so much. Cannot they leave it be(either summer time or winter, do not care). My dog hates the change with furious rage too!
On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
Yeah thanks, I know how time works and I'm surrounded by clocks. Of course, I didn't have time to post at 9 so I posted it at 10.
Oh. I assumed you were one of the millions of people that are confused as fuck by Summertime. Wasn't intended to judge. You even wrote "now"...
BURN TIME CHANGES! BURN IT WITH FIRE!! I hate the change so much. Cannot they leave it be(either summer time or winter, do not care). My dog hates the change with furious rage too!
My dog is just confused and tired because he has to get up an hour earlier than he's used to
On March 31 2016 17:11 Elentos wrote: Fucking change from CET to CEST means when I look at the clock at 9:00 it's now at least 2 hours until Korean SC2. I feel bullied.
CET -> CEST is one hour +. So It was 10 AM CEST when you wrote that and Star League is starting now.
Yeah thanks, I know how time works and I'm surrounded by clocks. Of course, I didn't have time to post at 9 so I posted it at 10.
Oh. I assumed you were one of the millions of people that are confused as fuck by Summertime. Wasn't intended to judge. You even wrote "now"...
BURN TIME CHANGES! BURN IT WITH FIRE!! I hate the change so much. Cannot they leave it be(either summer time or winter, do not care). My dog hates the change with furious rage too!
My dog is just confused and tired because he has to get up an hour earlier than he's used to
On March 31 2016 18:25 Aelendis wrote: This looks like all my zvp
...yep Well, minus banelings. Never use those, but the "Immortals are walking across the map, the fight starts, my army's dead, most Immortals still alive" part seems to be rather similar.
On March 31 2016 18:25 Aelendis wrote: This looks like all my zvp
...yep Well, minus banelings. Never use those, but the "Immortals are walking across the map, the fight starts, my army's dead, most Immortals still alive" part seems to be rather similar.
I could be smartassing like "why u use no fungal" or spread lurkers to not get stormed or something like that. All those usual/obvious tips I got when I started playing SC2
On March 31 2016 18:41 brickrd wrote: Mass Immortal: What LOTV Is All About
problem?
watching a bunch of slow, awkward, beefy mech units walk around and destroy everything on the ground is boring, which is why the community got colossus nerfed
On March 31 2016 18:44 Noonius wrote: guys, only after 2 maps, TL prediction is already wrong when it comes to map wins
hmm, its not like they'd be able to forsee solar make these kinds of mistakes.
I don't think it's solar making a lot of mistakes as much as it is Stats abusing Protoss to the fullest with phoenix and immortal play which works vs every non broodlord zerg army
On March 31 2016 18:45 Elentos wrote: Gogo Stats, you can't afford to lose on Orbital!
if he wins on dusk he will win on orbitall too
Shit can go wrong. Maybe he move commands his entire army into lurkers with no detection.
Maybe he falls asleep or forgets that all he needs to do is turtle 3/4 base with Phoenix Immortal Archon Zealot then move out and kill the zerg before he gets Broods
On March 31 2016 18:44 Noonius wrote: guys, only after 2 maps, TL prediction is already wrong when it comes to map wins
hmm, its not like they'd be able to forsee solar make these kinds of mistakes.
I don't think it's solar making a lot of mistakes as much as it is Stats abusing Protoss to the fullest with phoenix and immortal play which works vs every non broodlord zerg army
idk man, burrowing the hydras, moving his entire army back to defend zealot warp in and still defend with sloppy control, hitting buildings and losing 100 hydras to phoenixes... That was not Solar.
On March 31 2016 18:48 Big J wrote: Hope that Solar can step it up a notch, really horrible strategies so far.
Solar's strategies are good the plays make sense but dealing with Protoss Mid/late game is really really hard because of the strength of the immortals
Immortals are very bad at fighting up. If you don't waste your money on shitty harass that does nothing and timing attacks into pylons you can have broodlords or Vipers instead.
i dont think its early enough to start saying imba or balance whining, but i think if anything is the problem it's the phoenix > hydra to counter phoenix > lurkers because you have hydras > immortals game flow... it's just not very interesting right now, the lurkers either pin protoss down and kill him or they just become irrelevant
i wonder if there's any legitimacy to playing a mass queen/infestor style against phoenix openers? infestors are also pretty good against immortal/zealot if you can land the fungals. that's the problem, though, is if you don't have perfect infestor control and lose any or miss fungals you literally have nothing...
On March 31 2016 18:54 brickrd wrote: i dont think its early enough to start saying imba or balance whining, but i think if anything is the problem it's the phoenix > hydra to counter phoenix > lurkers because you have hydras > immortals game flow... it's just not very interesting right now, the lurkers either pin protoss down and kill him or they just become irrelevant
i wonder if there's any legitimacy to playing a mass queen/infestor style against phoenix openers? infestors are also pretty good against immortal/zealot if you can land the fungals. that's the problem, though, is if you don't have perfect infestor control and lose any or miss fungals you literally have nothing...
you would still need lots of hydras or the dreaded broodlords to actualy deal damage.
On March 31 2016 18:54 brickrd wrote: i dont think its early enough to start saying imba or balance whining, but i think if anything is the problem it's the phoenix > hydra to counter phoenix > lurkers because you have hydras > immortals game flow... it's just not very interesting right now, the lurkers either pin protoss down and kill him or they just become irrelevant
i wonder if there's any legitimacy to playing a mass queen/infestor style against phoenix openers? infestors are also pretty good against immortal/zealot if you can land the fungals. that's the problem, though, is if you don't have perfect infestor control and lose any or miss fungals you literally have nothing...
you would still need lots of hydras or the dreaded broodlords to actualy deal damage.
the idea is queen/infestor to defend phoenix while you transition to hive... obviously i didn't mean "make only queens and infestors the whole game", and obviously you'd have to make fighting units if protoss did a big push
and i wasn't even saying it would work, i was just speculating because it's more useful to come up with ideas than to balance whine
Wolf that wouldn't work. What do you need to get rid of the burrowed ling? Detection. What do you find with detection? The banes burrowed in the mineral line.
On March 31 2016 18:54 brickrd wrote: i dont think its early enough to start saying imba or balance whining, but i think if anything is the problem it's the phoenix > hydra to counter phoenix > lurkers because you have hydras > immortals game flow... it's just not very interesting right now, the lurkers either pin protoss down and kill him or they just become irrelevant
i wonder if there's any legitimacy to playing a mass queen/infestor style against phoenix openers? infestors are also pretty good against immortal/zealot if you can land the fungals. that's the problem, though, is if you don't have perfect infestor control and lose any or miss fungals you literally have nothing...
you would still need lots of hydras or the dreaded broodlords to actualy deal damage.
the idea is queen/infestor to defend phoenix while you transition to hive... obviously i didn't mean "make only queens and infestors the whole game", and obviously you'd have to make fighting units if protoss did a big push
and i wasn't even saying it would work, i was just speculating because it's more useful to come up with ideas than to balance whine
Sky Toss is too strong in my opinion which is why you don't see this sort of build.
But who knows. It's not easy to get to Blord/Infestor/Queen fast enough to not die to the 9:30-11:00 Toss Push.
On March 31 2016 19:02 Elentos wrote: Wolf that wouldn't work. What do you need to get rid of the burrowed ling? Detection. What do you find with detection? The banes burrowed in the mineral line.
Yeah sometimes I wonder if he thinks about what he says at all
On March 31 2016 19:08 Elentos wrote: With the phoenixes on the other side of the map and no charge, there was no way Stats was gonna hold there.
I wonder if Stats has prepared anything that isn't a standard macro game.
anything that isn't Immortal Chargelot Archon (phoenix or storm)? Probably not and not like he needs to. Protoss lategame is the strongest it has ever been
On March 31 2016 19:08 Big J wrote: why does he defend there? cancel the 4th, go up the ramp to the third --> gg easy
Natural should be soon mined out since it's gold, pretty much have to secure 4th there
or crush the push hardcore enough. You don't need a lot of income for a short amount of time if you can save those ressources (and the game) by taking a better fight and retaining your units while crushing the opponents units.
On March 31 2016 19:08 Elentos wrote: With the phoenixes on the other side of the map and no charge, there was no way Stats was gonna hold there.
I wonder if Stats has prepared anything that isn't a standard macro game.
anything that isn't Immortal Chargelot Archon (phoenix or storm)? Probably not and not like he needs to. Protoss lategame is the strongest it has ever been
we get it... you're upset and you think toss is OP ... and the score is 2-2 regardless.
On March 31 2016 19:08 Elentos wrote: With the phoenixes on the other side of the map and no charge, there was no way Stats was gonna hold there.
I wonder if Stats has prepared anything that isn't a standard macro game.
anything that isn't Immortal Chargelot Archon (phoenix or storm)? Probably not and not like he needs to. Protoss lategame is the strongest it has ever been
we get it... you're upset and you think toss is OP ... and the score is 2-2 regardless.
On March 31 2016 19:08 Big J wrote: why does he defend there? cancel the 4th, go up the ramp to the third --> gg easy
Natural should be soon mined out since it's gold, pretty much have to secure 4th there
or crush the push hardcore enough. You don't need a lot of income for a short amount of time if you can save those ressources (and the game) by taking a better fight and retaining your units while crushing the opponents units.
You can just choose not to attack if toss goes back to his third base and contain him, you get very good position and eco lead gets too big very fast. Propably biggest mistake there was not to get storm as fast as possible, in other maps sentrys are very good idea since no ravagers with that army composition
On March 31 2016 19:08 Big J wrote: why does he defend there? cancel the 4th, go up the ramp to the third --> gg easy
Natural should be soon mined out since it's gold, pretty much have to secure 4th there
or crush the push hardcore enough. You don't need a lot of income for a short amount of time if you can save those ressources (and the game) by taking a better fight and retaining your units while crushing the opponents units.
You can just choose not to attack if toss goes back to his third base and contain him, you get very good position and eco lead gets too big very fast. Propably biggest mistake there was not to get storm as fast as possible, in other maps sentrys are very good idea since no ravagers with that army composition
I feel like corrosive biles take too long to deal with forcefields. They are good to deal with ramp blocks but in fight I think you need a quicker answer than corrosive.
Do you think Protoss Players do not build a lot of sentries because of the threat of ravager or the strength of immortal chargelot?
I want to point out that I appreciate your work Pandemona. No idea when you started doing this, but it looks like you weren't doing this before. So thanks! Without people like you this place wouldn't be as awesome.
On March 31 2016 19:30 KeksX wrote: I want to point out that I appreciate your work Pandemona. No idea when you started doing this, but it looks like you weren't doing this before. So thanks! Without people like you this place wouldn't be as awesome.
Haha thanks, it was in my blog if you read it :3 I had to take over as no one else was doing the LR work in the background when Lorning left so i have been doing them since all of this expansion actually. Other people have helped do the LRs for me though like Elentos and Musc.
On March 31 2016 19:30 KeksX wrote: I want to point out that I appreciate your work Pandemona. No idea when you started doing this, but it looks like you weren't doing this before. So thanks! Without people like you this place wouldn't be as awesome.
Haha thanks, it was in my blog if you read it :3 I had to take over as no one else was doing the LR work in the background when Lorning left so i have been doing them since all of this expansion actually. Other people have helped do the LRs for me though like Elentos and Musc.
Don't want to get too offtopic, but did Lorning leave because of what happened to Prime, or for different reasons?
Didn't know Lorning left, actually. Sad . Bad yeah, I'm glad people are still keeping up!
On March 31 2016 19:08 Big J wrote: why does he defend there? cancel the 4th, go up the ramp to the third --> gg easy
Natural should be soon mined out since it's gold, pretty much have to secure 4th there
or crush the push hardcore enough. You don't need a lot of income for a short amount of time if you can save those ressources (and the game) by taking a better fight and retaining your units while crushing the opponents units.
You can just choose not to attack if toss goes back to his third base and contain him, you get very good position and eco lead gets too big very fast. Propably biggest mistake there was not to get storm as fast as possible, in other maps sentrys are very good idea since no ravagers with that army composition
I feel like corrosive biles take too long to deal with forcefields. They are good to deal with ramp blocks but in fight I think you need a quicker answer than corrosive.
Do you think Protoss Players do not build a lot of sentries because of the threat of ravager or the strength of immortal chargelot?
They are just very gas expensive to get and ravagers deal with it too well
On March 31 2016 19:30 KeksX wrote: I want to point out that I appreciate your work Pandemona. No idea when you started doing this, but it looks like you weren't doing this before. So thanks! Without people like you this place wouldn't be as awesome.
Haha thanks, it was in my blog if you read it :3 I had to take over as no one else was doing the LR work in the background when Lorning left so i have been doing them since all of this expansion actually. Other people have helped do the LRs for me though like Elentos and Musc.
Don't want to get too offtopic, but did Lorning leave because of what happened to Prime, or for different reasons?
Didn't know Lorning left, actually. Sad . Bad yeah, I'm glad people are still keeping up!
I don't think it's because of prime i think like when OPTown left us, his university life has become alot harder and he has 0 time anymore. He literally is hardly ever online anymore, i spoke to him yesterday on skype for like 3 minutes before he went again xd
if i played protoss i would make 7 phoenix into 3rd base 2robo immortal spam every single game and not take a 4th until 180/200 supply or something. seems like a good way to play ~
On March 31 2016 19:48 Liquid`Snute wrote: if i played protoss i would make 7 phoenix into 3rd base 2robo immortal spam every single game and not take a 4th until 180/200 supply or something. seems like a good way to play ~
from an old school fan of yours, before when nobody knew who you were except for "that guy with the huge ass chin on KT", I have seen you toil in obscurity for too fucking long.
On March 31 2016 19:48 Liquid`Snute wrote: if i played protoss i would make 7 phoenix into 3rd base 2robo immortal spam every single game and not take a 4th until 180/200 supply or something. seems like a good way to play ~
On March 31 2016 19:48 Liquid`Snute wrote: if i played protoss i would make 7 phoenix into 3rd base 2robo immortal spam every single game and not take a 4th until 180/200 supply or something. seems like a good way to play ~
On March 31 2016 20:06 NinjaToss wrote: KT always perform better when face SKT #Ibelieve
Forgotten Stats vs Dark from a few weeks ago?
Forgotten Kt vs skt round 4 final in proleague 2015? I dunno why but I think Kt is better than SKT when it counts and jinair's good vs kt when it counts
Is it bad that I enjoy watching ZvZ more than PvZ in Lotv? Protoss just always goes for the same Comp, and it seems to be a question of whether or not zerg can kill toss before enough archons and immortals are out. so much for avoiding deathballs..
On April 01 2016 06:29 nick00bot wrote: Is it bad that I enjoy watching ZvZ more than PvZ in Lotv? Protoss just always goes for the same Comp, and it seems to be a question of whether or not zerg can kill toss before enough archons and immortals are out. so much for avoiding deathballs..
Well first off, that's your personal taste so that's not bad
And no, I can see it. Protoss is forced to go for the same composition every game (even if they wanted to do something else it probably wouldn't work), Zerg is generally forced into the same direction every game aswell. PvZ is the most stale matchup in LotV, these games play out way too similar often. So I can see why people would be bored from this. I mean, the best thing that happened in this series was Solar blowing up shit with banelings.
On the other hand, for every really good game of ZvZ you can find like a dozen really shitty games. It's always been like that, and it's reputation is basically forever ruined.
On March 31 2016 19:30 KeksX wrote: I want to point out that I appreciate your work Pandemona. No idea when you started doing this, but it looks like you weren't doing this before. So thanks! Without people like you this place wouldn't be as awesome.
Haha thanks, it was in my blog if you read it :3 I had to take over as no one else was doing the LR work in the background when Lorning left so i have been doing them since all of this expansion actually. Other people have helped do the LRs for me though like Elentos and Musc.
Don't want to get too offtopic, but did Lorning leave because of what happened to Prime, or for different reasons?
Didn't know Lorning left, actually. Sad . Bad yeah, I'm glad people are still keeping up!
On the other hand, for every really good game of ZvZ you can find like a dozen really shitty games. It's always been like that, and it's reputation is basically forever ruined.
Maybe I just have some recency bias from Dark and Solar's game, but I feel like ZvZ is the best it's ever been. Ling Bane wars are often just transitions to roaches or mutas, and early pools aren't as fully all-in as they used to be. The hydra buff has been great at helping people deal with mutas, but the economic changes have made mutas more viable too. Late game is also very dynamic with lurkers, ultras, cracklings, broods, and infestors abound. Idk just feels like It's a totally new matchup past the initial ling-bane wars, and the wars themselves are less decisive than they used to be. I'm a happy man
Stats is already improving on his performance from last year in individual leagues. Will he reach Zest 2014 levels of dominance in the season(s) to come? (sorry, I fucking jinxed it didn't I?)
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