EPT[GSL] Code S Season 1 2016 - Group A - Page 51
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
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slit
Spain212 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On February 18 2016 02:51 showstealer1829 wrote: Taeja got through? What year is this?  TaeJa is no human. He's not affected by phenomenons as simple as time or space. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37061 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
I felt a bit bad for Journey but today I guess everyone but Rogue deserved to move on. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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mammuluk
Italy94 Posts
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest... | ||
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mammuluk
Italy94 Posts
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote: Very Happy, Teaja made it! He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest... I remember times when terrans lost to the other races, but Taeja was just an impressive exception to this Rule. People at tournaments had banners saying "Buff Terran. Nerf Taeja!". WOW | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote: Very Happy, Teaja made it! He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest... I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta  | ||
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
On February 18 2016 10:15 ParksonVN wrote: I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 15:52 phantomfive wrote: Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other. Which is a well known anomally and proves nothing | ||
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grizzlybear
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dankobanana
Croatia244 Posts
On February 18 2016 15:54 opisska wrote: Which is a well known anomally and proves nothing Check Aligulac: TaeJa is 29–20 (59.18%) in games and 11–6 (64.71%) in matches against Life. TaeJa is 20–12 (62.50%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against INnoVation. TaeJa is 13–7 (65.00%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against MMA. TaeJa is 22–17 (56.41%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against HerO. TaeJa is 23–12 (65.71%) in games and 10–4 (71.43%) in matches against HyuN. TaeJa is 18–10 (64.29%) in games and 6–5 (54.55%) in matches against MC. are these anomalies? is that enough matches against the best? btw Maru cant be the best Terran of SC2 because he was only godlike agains P  check his PL TvZ form: Under these filters, Maru is 17–18 (48.57%) in games and 17–18 (48.57%) in matches. btw this is Maru vs Koreans Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches. and this is Taeja vs Koreans Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:21 dankobanana wrote: Check Aligulac: TaeJa is 29–20 (59.18%) in games and 11–6 (64.71%) in matches against Life. TaeJa is 20–12 (62.50%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against INnoVation. TaeJa is 13–7 (65.00%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against MMA. TaeJa is 22–17 (56.41%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against HerO. TaeJa is 23–12 (65.71%) in games and 10–4 (71.43%) in matches against HyuN. TaeJa is 18–10 (64.29%) in games and 6–5 (54.55%) in matches against MC. are these anomalies? is that enough matches against the best? You probably don't understand that your are beating yourself by your argument. The scores against Life and Inno are surely impressive, but do the results against MMA and MC come from their GSL-winning periods, or from the time they were travelling Koreans taking the easy money from foreigners? And HyuN and HerO are "the best" only by the same metric as most people are trying to sell Taeja - by being good in foreign tourneys. On one hand, I think this has been beaten to death, on the other I just can't stand when people are calling Taeja better than Innovation, when all he ever did in Korea was two Ro4 in GSL. Surely, it still makes him probably top 10 Terran, if not more, but compared to Innovation's two GSL trophies, their head-to-head is a little too weak of an argument for proclaiming Taeja "maybe the strongest". | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia244 Posts
Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches. Taeja vs Koreans Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches Innovation vs Koreans Under these filters, INnoVation is 603–334 (64.35%) in games and 302–134 (69.27%) in matches. Who played agains more koreans? Taeja. Inno has a better winrate for circa 30% less games, but Taeja OWNS Inno in head to head and the number of Premier Tournaments. So the argument that Taeja hasnt played agains enough Koreans is mute. You can challenge the fact that he didnt perform good enough in preparation style tournaments, but at what point that arguments looses its merit? When a head to head is so decisive for one player  | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia244 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:31 opisska wrote: You probably don't understand that your are beating yourself by your argument. The scores against Life and Inno are surely impressive, but do the results against MMA and MC come from their GSL-winning periods, or from the time they were travelling Koreans taking the easy money from foreigners? And HyuN and HerO are "the best" only by the same metric as most people are trying to sell Taeja - by being good in foreign tourneys. On one hand, I think this has been beaten to death, on the other I just can't stand when people are calling Taeja better than Innovation, when all he ever did in Korea was two Ro4 in GSL. Surely, it still makes him probably top 10 Terran, if not more, but compared to Innovation's two GSL trophies, their head-to-head is a little too weak of an argument for proclaiming Taeja "maybe the strongest". I am beating myself by proving that he won against the best Korenas? Please tell me how? These results are all-time. CJ HerO isnt a top Protoss? :\ Since when does a 5 Premier Tournamet champion, a SSL champion and a Kespa Cup champion (came 2nd once also) isnt one of the best protoss? :\ Maru is 13–14 (48.15%) in games and 6–8 (42.86%) in matches against herO. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:39 dankobanana wrote: Maru vs Koreans Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches. Taeja vs Koreans Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches Innovation vs Koreans Under these filters, INnoVation is 603–334 (64.35%) in games and 302–134 (69.27%) in matches. Who played agains more koreans? Taeja. Inno has a better winrate for circa 30% less games, but Taeja OWNS Inno in head to head and the number of Premier Tournaments. So the argument that Taeja hasnt played agains enough Koreans is mute. You can challenge the fact that he didnt perform good enough in preparation style tournaments, but at what point that arguments looses its merit? When a head to head is so decisive for one player But playing "against koreans" and "in korea" was a very different metric back then, because a group of koreans played a lot against each other in the foreign tourneys. Surely, some of the really good ones came once in a while too, but the competition was nowhere as fierce as in Korea proper. It's like having a premier football team voluntarily descend to a local league and then boasting their record. The worst thing on it is that I have never ever heard Taeja even suggesting anything else, it's all done by his fanboys. He surely was a great player in his prime (and maybe he can even do something noteworthy now), he was the best in what he did, miles ahead from all the foreigners, but that's about it. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On February 18 2016 21:46 dankobanana wrote: I am beating myself by proving that he won against the best Korenas? Please tell me how? These results are all-time. CJ HerO isnt a top Protoss? :\ Since when does a 5 Premier Tournamet champion, a SSL champion and a Kespa Cup champion (came 2nd once also) isnt one of the best protoss? :\ Maru is 13–14 (48.15%) in games and 6–8 (42.86%) in matches against herO. Oh, sorry, that's CJ herO? Use the proper capitalisation, if you don't tag the heroes by teams Yeah, that's much more impressive. However it's still cherrypicking data. | ||
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