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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States876 Posts
February 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#1001
Just watched the vods, and have to agree about a great start to Code S. Had to feel a bit sorry for Rogue though, defending well and building that doom army all game against TaeJa and then having it all sniped away in less than a minute.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
slit
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain212 Posts
February 17 2016 19:47 GMT
#1002
Told ya guys, Journey rocks! <3
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 17 2016 19:50 GMT
#1003
On February 18 2016 02:51 showstealer1829 wrote:
Taeja got through?

What year is this?

TaeJa is no human. He's not affected by phenomenons as simple as time or space.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 17 2016 19:57 GMT
#1004
Now that Taeja is in ro16 i am sure TL will do their own power rankings again
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37033 Posts
February 17 2016 20:06 GMT
#1005
Daaaannnnnggggg... GO TAEJA! I guess Rogue isn't as good as we thought he was :/
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 17 2016 20:34 GMT
#1006
Yeah Rogue is really off. Probably due to his fathers passing as someone said. Hopefully hes able to get back to last years level soon.
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 20:59:55
February 17 2016 20:41 GMT
#1007
Just finished watching the games and I must say, LotV is a treat to watch!
I felt a bit bad for Journey but today I guess everyone but Rogue deserved to move on.
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
February 17 2016 22:37 GMT
#1008
Wow, just watched the end. Class truly is forever
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
mammuluk
Profile Joined February 2016
Italy94 Posts
February 17 2016 22:40 GMT
#1009
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...
A Starcraft game is like life: there's always something you must do
mammuluk
Profile Joined February 2016
Italy94 Posts
February 17 2016 22:44 GMT
#1010
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I remember times when terrans lost to the other races, but Taeja was just an impressive exception to this Rule.
People at tournaments had banners saying "Buff Terran. Nerf Taeja!". WOW
A Starcraft game is like life: there's always something you must do
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
February 18 2016 01:15 GMT
#1011
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta
phantomfive
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)404 Posts
February 18 2016 06:52 GMT
#1012
On February 18 2016 10:15 ParksonVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta

Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other.
To ease another's heartache is to forget one's own - Lincoln
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 18 2016 06:54 GMT
#1013
On February 18 2016 15:52 phantomfive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 10:15 ParksonVN wrote:
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta

Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other.


Which is a well known anomally and proves nothing
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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grizzlybear
Profile Joined February 2016
19 Posts
February 18 2016 10:36 GMT
#1014
Great games and incredible casting. Can't wait for the next series.
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dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 12:35:53
February 18 2016 12:21 GMT
#1015
On February 18 2016 15:54 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 15:52 phantomfive wrote:
On February 18 2016 10:15 ParksonVN wrote:
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta

Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other.


Which is a well known anomally and proves nothing


Check Aligulac:
TaeJa is 29–20 (59.18%) in games and 11–6 (64.71%) in matches against Life.
TaeJa is 20–12 (62.50%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against INnoVation.
TaeJa is 13–7 (65.00%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against MMA.
TaeJa is 22–17 (56.41%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against HerO.
TaeJa is 23–12 (65.71%) in games and 10–4 (71.43%) in matches against HyuN.
TaeJa is 18–10 (64.29%) in games and 6–5 (54.55%) in matches against MC.

are these anomalies? is that enough matches against the best?

btw Maru cant be the best Terran of SC2 because he was only godlike agains P
check his PL TvZ form:
Under these filters, Maru is 17–18 (48.57%) in games and 17–18 (48.57%) in matches.

btw this is Maru vs Koreans
Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches.

and this is Taeja vs Koreans
Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches.
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 12:31:29
February 18 2016 12:31 GMT
#1016
On February 18 2016 21:21 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 15:54 opisska wrote:
On February 18 2016 15:52 phantomfive wrote:
On February 18 2016 10:15 ParksonVN wrote:
On February 18 2016 07:40 mammuluk wrote:
Very Happy, Teaja made it!
He is one of the graetest sc 2 champions... May the strongest...


I dont think he was that strong, he just won many foreign tournaments where not many top Kespa players participated in. I still think Innovation and Maru were two strongest Terran in HOTS, but so sad that their style dont fix the LOTV meta

Taeja beat Innovation almost every time they faced each other.


Which is a well known anomally and proves nothing


Check Aligulac:
TaeJa is 29–20 (59.18%) in games and 11–6 (64.71%) in matches against Life.
TaeJa is 20–12 (62.50%) in games and 9–4 (69.23%) in matches against INnoVation.
TaeJa is 13–7 (65.00%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against MMA.
TaeJa is 22–17 (56.41%) in games and 7–5 (58.33%) in matches against HerO.
TaeJa is 23–12 (65.71%) in games and 10–4 (71.43%) in matches against HyuN.
TaeJa is 18–10 (64.29%) in games and 6–5 (54.55%) in matches against MC.

are these anomalies? is that enough matches against the best?


You probably don't understand that your are beating yourself by your argument. The scores against Life and Inno are surely impressive, but do the results against MMA and MC come from their GSL-winning periods, or from the time they were travelling Koreans taking the easy money from foreigners? And HyuN and HerO are "the best" only by the same metric as most people are trying to sell Taeja - by being good in foreign tourneys.

On one hand, I think this has been beaten to death, on the other I just can't stand when people are calling Taeja better than Innovation, when all he ever did in Korea was two Ro4 in GSL. Surely, it still makes him probably top 10 Terran, if not more, but compared to Innovation's two GSL trophies, their head-to-head is a little too weak of an argument for proclaiming Taeja "maybe the strongest".
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
February 18 2016 12:39 GMT
#1017
Maru vs Koreans
Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches.

Taeja vs Koreans
Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches

Innovation vs Koreans
Under these filters, INnoVation is 603–334 (64.35%) in games and 302–134 (69.27%) in matches.

Who played agains more koreans? Taeja. Inno has a better winrate for circa 30% less games, but Taeja OWNS Inno in head to head and the number of Premier Tournaments. So the argument that Taeja hasnt played agains enough Koreans is mute. You can challenge the fact that he didnt perform good enough in preparation style tournaments, but at what point that arguments looses its merit? When a head to head is so decisive for one player
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia238 Posts
February 18 2016 12:46 GMT
#1018
On February 18 2016 21:31 opisska wrote:

You probably don't understand that your are beating yourself by your argument. The scores against Life and Inno are surely impressive, but do the results against MMA and MC come from their GSL-winning periods, or from the time they were travelling Koreans taking the easy money from foreigners? And HyuN and HerO are "the best" only by the same metric as most people are trying to sell Taeja - by being good in foreign tourneys.

On one hand, I think this has been beaten to death, on the other I just can't stand when people are calling Taeja better than Innovation, when all he ever did in Korea was two Ro4 in GSL. Surely, it still makes him probably top 10 Terran, if not more, but compared to Innovation's two GSL trophies, their head-to-head is a little too weak of an argument for proclaiming Taeja "maybe the strongest".


I am beating myself by proving that he won against the best Korenas? Please tell me how?
These results are all-time.
CJ HerO isnt a top Protoss? :\ Since when does a 5 Premier Tournamet champion, a SSL champion and a Kespa Cup champion (came 2nd once also) isnt one of the best protoss? :\

Maru is 13–14 (48.15%) in games and 6–8 (42.86%) in matches against herO.

Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 18 2016 12:47 GMT
#1019
On February 18 2016 21:39 dankobanana wrote:
Maru vs Koreans
Under these filters, Maru is 571–420 (57.62%) in games and 300–188 (61.48%) in matches.

Taeja vs Koreans
Under these filters, TaeJa is 858–576 (59.83%) in games and 384–206 (65.08%) in matches

Innovation vs Koreans
Under these filters, INnoVation is 603–334 (64.35%) in games and 302–134 (69.27%) in matches.

Who played agains more koreans? Taeja. Inno has a better winrate for circa 30% less games, but Taeja OWNS Inno in head to head and the number of Premier Tournaments. So the argument that Taeja hasnt played agains enough Koreans is mute. You can challenge the fact that he didnt perform good enough in preparation style tournaments, but at what point that arguments looses its merit? When a head to head is so decisive for one player


But playing "against koreans" and "in korea" was a very different metric back then, because a group of koreans played a lot against each other in the foreign tourneys. Surely, some of the really good ones came once in a while too, but the competition was nowhere as fierce as in Korea proper. It's like having a premier football team voluntarily descend to a local league and then boasting their record.

The worst thing on it is that I have never ever heard Taeja even suggesting anything else, it's all done by his fanboys. He surely was a great player in his prime (and maybe he can even do something noteworthy now), he was the best in what he did, miles ahead from all the foreigners, but that's about it.

"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
February 18 2016 12:49 GMT
#1020
On February 18 2016 21:46 dankobanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2016 21:31 opisska wrote:

You probably don't understand that your are beating yourself by your argument. The scores against Life and Inno are surely impressive, but do the results against MMA and MC come from their GSL-winning periods, or from the time they were travelling Koreans taking the easy money from foreigners? And HyuN and HerO are "the best" only by the same metric as most people are trying to sell Taeja - by being good in foreign tourneys.

On one hand, I think this has been beaten to death, on the other I just can't stand when people are calling Taeja better than Innovation, when all he ever did in Korea was two Ro4 in GSL. Surely, it still makes him probably top 10 Terran, if not more, but compared to Innovation's two GSL trophies, their head-to-head is a little too weak of an argument for proclaiming Taeja "maybe the strongest".


I am beating myself by proving that he won against the best Korenas? Please tell me how?
These results are all-time.
CJ HerO isnt a top Protoss? :\ Since when does a 5 Premier Tournamet champion, a SSL champion and a Kespa Cup champion (came 2nd once also) isnt one of the best protoss? :\

Maru is 13–14 (48.15%) in games and 6–8 (42.86%) in matches against herO.




Oh, sorry, that's CJ herO? Use the proper capitalisation, if you don't tag the heroes by teams Yeah, that's much more impressive. However it's still cherrypicking data.
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