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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 21:20 GMT
#441
On October 21 2015 06:18 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:09 Diabolique wrote:
Quite a clear picture ... and in the recent months, I saw sOs losing only one real game. Against Innovation in ProLeague final.

I wonder about that. Is it what we view as "recent months", or is it our perception of what is a "real game" that differs? I still consider things that happened in July as recent months, and a real game to me in this context is a game against another known progamer in a tournament setting. And in either of those sOs has lost more than that.

Well, in July, he was in a deep shit. For me, "recent months" are everything what happened after his re-birth at MSI MGA.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
October 20 2015 21:22 GMT
#442
On October 21 2015 06:20 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:18 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:09 Diabolique wrote:
Quite a clear picture ... and in the recent months, I saw sOs losing only one real game. Against Innovation in ProLeague final.

I wonder about that. Is it what we view as "recent months", or is it our perception of what is a "real game" that differs? I still consider things that happened in July as recent months, and a real game to me in this context is a game against another known progamer in a tournament setting. And in either of those sOs has lost more than that.

Well, in July, he was in a deep shit. For me, "recent months" are everything what happened after his re-birth at MSI MGA.

Still - eliminated from Code S by herO and Classic (I'll partially excuse this by jetlag, but he lost the games), dropped a game to Curious and lost the finals to Solar at Dreamhack (which used the map pool of Blizzcon).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18670 Posts
October 20 2015 21:22 GMT
#443
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 20 2015 21:23 GMT
#444
On October 21 2015 06:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
Please provide a tl;dr of the ThePashunbet.

I win if sOs/Dream make finals Temp wins if Classic or Fanta make finals, but both of us predict Classic sOs finals. 1000 pashunpoints and 3 months sigbet as well as the title of Pashunlord on the line
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
October 20 2015 21:24 GMT
#445
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18670 Posts
October 20 2015 21:25 GMT
#446
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 21:26:29
October 20 2015 21:26 GMT
#447
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 21:27 GMT
#448
On October 21 2015 06:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:20 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:18 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:09 Diabolique wrote:
Quite a clear picture ... and in the recent months, I saw sOs losing only one real game. Against Innovation in ProLeague final.

I wonder about that. Is it what we view as "recent months", or is it our perception of what is a "real game" that differs? I still consider things that happened in July as recent months, and a real game to me in this context is a game against another known progamer in a tournament setting. And in either of those sOs has lost more than that.

Well, in July, he was in a deep shit. For me, "recent months" are everything what happened after his re-birth at MSI MGA.

Still - eliminated from Code S by herO and Classic (I'll partially excuse this by jetlag, but he lost the games), dropped a game to Curious and lost the finals to Solar at Dreamhack (which used the map pool of Blizzcon).

OK, the loss to herO and Classic, you are right ... so let's say the re-birth came a week later :-)

The game against Solar was extremely weird for me, so I just do not consider it a real game. He definitely lost to Innovation in Proleague final, where he definitely wanted to win. Even when he has beaten Innovation easily at the MSI MGA. The match with Solar ... he was complaining before the match that he is unwell, he was doing several missclicks during that game, warping in the wrong units ... he ran to the toilet between the games ... it seemed to me either he chose PartinG or he has been food poisoned before that match ...
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
October 20 2015 21:27 GMT
#449
On October 21 2015 06:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt

That was also the Blizzcon where INnoVation got ducked.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
October 20 2015 21:29 GMT
#450
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 20 2015 21:29 GMT
#451
On October 21 2015 06:27 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt

That was also the Blizzcon where INnoVation got ducked.

Every year he gets ducked :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 21:30 GMT
#452
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14000 Posts
October 20 2015 21:31 GMT
#453
On October 21 2015 06:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt

That was also the Blizzcon where INnoVation got ducked.

Every year he gets ducked :/

Duckdeok best duck
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-20 21:32:12
October 20 2015 21:31 GMT
#454
On October 21 2015 06:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt

That was also the Blizzcon where INnoVation got ducked.

Every year he gets ducked :/

Last year he happened to meet his worst natural enemy. But in 2013, oh boy, he got duckdeoked.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
October 20 2015 21:33 GMT
#455
On October 21 2015 06:30 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.

Against mech he looks awful, against Zerg he looks bleh, but he's been winning most of his games vs Protoss.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 20 2015 21:34 GMT
#456
On October 21 2015 06:31 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:27 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:26 Cricketer12 wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:25 sharkie wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:24 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:22 sharkie wrote:
if Blizzcon were a regular weekend tournament sOs would win it easily but since there is so much time between matches he might be at a disadvantage

funnily enough sOs is weak on preparation haha

Yet sOs won Blizzcon before, INnoVation didn't, but INnoVation is a 3-time GSL finalist. Blizzcon clearly goes against all rules of nature.


The Blizzcon sOs won was regular weekend tournament wasn't it?

Yup but hotsix wasnt

That was also the Blizzcon where INnoVation got ducked.

Every year he gets ducked :/

Last year he happened to meet his worst natural enemy. But in 2013, oh boy, he got duckdeoked.

Last year he met ridiculous playing conditions, conditions he wasn't able to deal with.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
October 20 2015 21:35 GMT
#457
On October 21 2015 06:30 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.


I think that the fact that this is so contentious and passionately fought goes to show that my "it'll probably be close either way" thought is somewhere close to true.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 21:35 GMT
#458
On October 21 2015 06:33 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:30 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.

Against mech he looks awful, against Zerg he looks bleh, but he's been winning most of his games vs Protoss.

They even don't let him play in Proleague. HE was amazing last year and in the first season of this year ... after that, he seems to have become ... "lazy"
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55581 Posts
October 20 2015 21:37 GMT
#459
On October 21 2015 06:35 Diabolique wrote:
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On October 21 2015 06:33 Elentos wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:30 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.

Against mech he looks awful, against Zerg he looks bleh, but he's been winning most of his games vs Protoss.

They even don't let him play in Proleague. HE was amazing last year and in the first season of this year ... after that, he seems to have become ... "lazy"

They let him play quite a bit even though Life isn't that great of a teamleague player. Also I remain adamant that not fielding him against sOs in all-kill mode at all was a mistake.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
October 20 2015 21:38 GMT
#460
On October 21 2015 06:35 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 06:30 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 06:29 Yonnua wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:13 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:10 HellHound wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:07 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 04:25 Yonnua wrote:
In all seriousness, Life's not looked impeccable over the last few months and Lilbow has really solid PvZ. He's also shown that he can handle the pressure of defeating major players, even when he's down in the series (being 0-2 down vs Hydra and basically dead in Game 3 to winning the series). He'll also have a massive crowd advantage over life because he's the foreign hope and Anaheim love that shit. Could definitely see him beating life but it'll probably be a close-ish series either way.


No.

Let's sigbet - 1 year?

That's not a fair bet.


What is a fair bet?

A bet which incorporates realistic odds i guess. 1:1 for Lilbow vs Life isn't fair (unless the lilbow fans are really that blind)


A year for me if Life loses, 2 months for Yonnua if Lilbow loses? For good measure, I'll include a Life 3-2 victory under "Life loses".

On October 21 2015 05:32 Diabolique wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:29 Zealously wrote:
On October 21 2015 05:24 Diabolique wrote:
I feel so sorry for the players, who do not make it to BlizzCon ... why do they play it one week before BlizzCon? Why don't they do BlizzCon starting one day earlier? :-( Imagine Fantasy not getting there ... Maru not getting there ... Life not getting to the big stage :-(


They don't have space in their schedule for 8 bo5s, and Blizzard are probably afraid to play off-stage matches like they did in 2013 because we went at them pretty hard after the tournament. This is the only way all 16 players are ensured main stream focus.

Yes :-( Because they need to fit there all the Heroes of the storm games to strengthen it's position against LOL ... :-(


Because they care about WoW, HotS and Hearthstone as well. Starcraft II already receives attention that far outmatches that of the other games, expecting them to push out tournaments for their other games completely is pretty shitty. You probably know how you would feel if the situation were reversed.


Wait, why are people trying to sigbet me? I think Life is probably favoured, but I think it's plausible that Lilbow wins too. It wouldn't surprise me, like some other results would.

Lilbow wins. The recent form of Life is very poor.


I think that the fact that this is so contentious and passionately fought goes to show that my "it'll probably be close either way" thought is somewhere close to true.

Right. In fact, both can win, I even do not care, who of them, as long as sOs becomes the champion :-)
But seriously, I believe, Lilbow CAN beat Life, not because he is so good, but because Life somehow stopped playing good Starcraft. As well as I can imagine, Maru loses with Rogue, as it is a team kill, Maru has wrist problems and he is the anti-protoss master and definitely not Mech master ...
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